VC++ 6.0 [modified]
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Honestly, you can have one of my personal copies along with the license. Send me an email if you want it. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Chris Austin wrote:
Honestly, you can have one of my personal copies along with the license.
You wouldnt by any chance have an extra license would you?LOL!! I work with MFC at office.Wanted to write a coupla freewares obviously i cant do that at work and impossible to do at home given the prohibitive price of the thing. So short of buying an illegit copy off the roads(possible in India.of course since i plan to put my name on it, just wondering how long before i start getting sued)looks like i'll have to shelve my plans:^)
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So why can't I swap out the compiler? Why do I need to get the whole IDE just for the compiler? I don't even use any extensions or the like, I turn them all off, as the library is cross platform. Linux/Windows. This is what's really frustrating about VS2005, and the jump from 2002 to 2003. This statement is false.
A decent editor (I like TextPad, but whatever), a knowledge of makefiles and a download of the Windows Debugging tools[^] and you've got a non-VS development environment. Helps to be comfortable with the command line, of course. Personally, I use VS21003 for C++ development and really like it - it's probably because a) I don't do much GUI development and/or b) I use the following add-ins to sweeten the whole IDE thang: Visual Assist[^] Comment Re-flower[^] Fast Solution Build[^] Solution Build Environment[^] (I liked this one so much I wrote something similar for VS6) WTL Helper[^] (when I *do* do GUIs, I tend to use WTL, not MFC). And as Christian said, the VS6 C++ compiler sucked big-time - I use a the Boost[^] libraries a lot - they compile so much quicker and with so many fewer problems that there's no comparison between VS6 and VS2003 for me.
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
So why can't I swap out the compiler?
I didn't say you can't, I'm sure you can. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
The main problem would be that the PDB file format changed (IIRC), so the VS6 debugger wouldn't work with executables produced by VS2003...I think.
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Yeah, I work in VS2003, but this is for my personal stuff. I have a cross platform library that has some nifty stuff, so, nothing MS specific. Mostly I don't like how it forces me to conform to its notion of project management. I liked workspaces. I don't like solutions. That's probably the bulk of it. Just standard C++. So yeah, I'd like the conformancy, but I should be able to get that from the compiler alone. Where is the one great true toolset?!? As my momma used to say: wish in one hand and ..... in the other. See which one fills up faster. This statement is false.
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
I liked workspaces. I don't like solutions.
Aren't they the same apart from the name? That's how I've treated solutions and I've not got bitten.
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
Does it still come with the msdn?
If you have MSDN subscription, you can download it from subscriber downloads. I downloaded VB6 a while back because someone threw away the CDs (at work) and I needed VB6 for a project. I saw that C++ was also available for download. I am not sure whether it is legal for any one to send the CDs to you? Otherwise you can always subscribe to MSDN and hope download it.;)
You can't any more because it contained Microsoft's Java VM, and therefore had to be removed under the terms of Microsoft's settlement with Sun. There was an announcement at the end of last year. Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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So why can't I swap out the compiler? Why do I need to get the whole IDE just for the compiler? I don't even use any extensions or the like, I turn them all off, as the library is cross platform. Linux/Windows. This is what's really frustrating about VS2005, and the jump from 2002 to 2003. This statement is false.
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
So why can't I swap out the compiler? Why do I need to get the whole IDE just for the compiler? I don't even use any extensions or the like, I turn them all off, as the library is cross platform. Linux/Windows.
You can - but not in VS6. VS2002 onwards allow you to define custom language services - which can use whatever compiler you like - using the Visual Studio SDK. That's how the existing built in languages are integrated, as such as third party plug-ins such as Visual Fortran and Iron Python. Unfortunately the same is not true for VS6. The VS6 IDE is closely wedded to its compiler, and you would have to perform some pretty low level hacks to change that. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
So why can't I swap out the compiler?
I didn't say you can't, I'm sure you can. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Not easily. With VS6 you'd need access to the compatible VSIP libraries, which when they were available would have cost you $50,000 per year for a minimum of 3 years. By contrast you can fairly easily add a new language server (and whatever compiler you like) to VS2002 onwards using the Visual Studio SDK. The IronPython sample illustrates how to do it. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
So why can't I swap out the compiler? Why do I need to get the whole IDE just for the compiler? I don't even use any extensions or the like, I turn them all off, as the library is cross platform. Linux/Windows.
You can - but not in VS6. VS2002 onwards allow you to define custom language services - which can use whatever compiler you like - using the Visual Studio SDK. That's how the existing built in languages are integrated, as such as third party plug-ins such as Visual Fortran and Iron Python. Unfortunately the same is not true for VS6. The VS6 IDE is closely wedded to its compiler, and you would have to perform some pretty low level hacks to change that. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Visual Fortran
This brings back painful memories. Oddly enough not from coding though, the only thing I did was hard code several input parameters in one app. In one of my astronomy classes we had to use a program that took as inputs the surface conditions and composition of a star and then integrated inward to see if they made sense (ie radius too big would result in using up all the mass before reaching the core). We had to do two models each with two user adjustable parameters. The two parameters were coupled so that you couldn't just hold X constant, find the optimum Y, then hold Y constant and adjust X until there was a valid solution, instead, plotting Z=SizeOfError(x,y) would give something that looked like a curving valley with the hills having clifflike drop-off's on the far side of the crests. One model required tuning inputs to 9 decimal places, the second 11. I spent about 15 hours total doing both
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Chris Austin wrote:
Honestly, you can have one of my personal copies along with the license.
You wouldnt by any chance have an extra license would you?LOL!! I work with MFC at office.Wanted to write a coupla freewares obviously i cant do that at work and impossible to do at home given the prohibitive price of the thing. So short of buying an illegit copy off the roads(possible in India.of course since i plan to put my name on it, just wondering how long before i start getting sued)looks like i'll have to shelve my plans:^)
Sorry Rahul, I think the timing was agaist you. I really can't risk jettisioning all of my copies / licenses. Had you been a bit earlier, I would have gladly given it to you. Just for MFC, have you considered VC++ 2005 Express, it is free forever and you can get a hold of it here[^] Again, I am sorry about not having an additional spare to sell. Cheers Chris Austin Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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These guys[^] seem to still be selling it, although the price has certainly inflated a good bit...
Wow! That's good chunk of change for something 4 versions old.
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
I liked workspaces. I don't like solutions.
Aren't they the same apart from the name? That's how I've treated solutions and I've not got bitten.
Not in my experience. But part of my troubles is a framework I built on 6 that has issues with 7. Heh, it would be funny if I was depending on the broken compiler from 6, but I'll fix that anyway when I plug in the 2003 compiler into the 6 IDE. Another nitpick.. bookmarks. Alt-F2 is gone. No storage of bookmarks to browse with. They've got other mechanisms to replace em' but.. eh. Its like pulling a Helen Keller, where her parents would rearrange the furniture on her to keep her from becoming complacent. I for one am alright with a little continuity in my IDE. This statement is false.
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
So why can't I swap out the compiler? Why do I need to get the whole IDE just for the compiler? I don't even use any extensions or the like, I turn them all off, as the library is cross platform. Linux/Windows.
You can - but not in VS6. VS2002 onwards allow you to define custom language services - which can use whatever compiler you like - using the Visual Studio SDK. That's how the existing built in languages are integrated, as such as third party plug-ins such as Visual Fortran and Iron Python. Unfortunately the same is not true for VS6. The VS6 IDE is closely wedded to its compiler, and you would have to perform some pretty low level hacks to change that. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
I'm not so sure, people have been swapping GCC for the MS compiler in VC6 I know. Its just one of the tools. But I'll find out. This statement is false.
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Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase a boxed licensed copy of VC++ 6.0? [edit] Does it still come with the msdn? [/edit] This statement is false. -- modified at 18:16 Wednesday 19th July, 2006
You'd have to get a "pirate" copy of VC6 and then ask Microsoft for purchasing a new licence. They'll sell you a VC7/VC8 licence anyway, and that'll cover the VC6 licence. A polar bear is a bear whose coordinates has been changed in terms of sine and cosine.
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Not in my experience. But part of my troubles is a framework I built on 6 that has issues with 7. Heh, it would be funny if I was depending on the broken compiler from 6, but I'll fix that anyway when I plug in the 2003 compiler into the 6 IDE. Another nitpick.. bookmarks. Alt-F2 is gone. No storage of bookmarks to browse with. They've got other mechanisms to replace em' but.. eh. Its like pulling a Helen Keller, where her parents would rearrange the furniture on her to keep her from becoming complacent. I for one am alright with a little continuity in my IDE. This statement is false.
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
I plug in the 2003 compiler into the 6 IDE.
Hmmm - be careful - the VS6 debugger won't work with executables built with the VS2003 compiler - the PDB format changed...
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You'd have to get a "pirate" copy of VC6 and then ask Microsoft for purchasing a new licence. They'll sell you a VC7/VC8 licence anyway, and that'll cover the VC6 licence. A polar bear is a bear whose coordinates has been changed in terms of sine and cosine.
It doesn't have to be a pirated copy. There are still boxed versions for sale, just not by MS. And the licenses are transferrable. This statement is false.
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Chris S Kaiser wrote:
I plug in the 2003 compiler into the 6 IDE.
Hmmm - be careful - the VS6 debugger won't work with executables built with the VS2003 compiler - the PDB format changed...
Ahh.. that's good to know.. eh, I'll make it work. Maybe find the VC7 compiler. This statement is false.
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I'm not so sure, people have been swapping GCC for the MS compiler in VC6 I know. Its just one of the tools. But I'll find out. This statement is false.
Maybe I should be a little clearer...It is do-able (Intel integrate their compiler, for example), but the information needed to do it is not something that as far as I'm aware in the public domain. Given that Microsoft no longer support it, that closes off both avenues leaving only reverse engineering and API hooking. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote:
Visual Fortran
This brings back painful memories. Oddly enough not from coding though, the only thing I did was hard code several input parameters in one app. In one of my astronomy classes we had to use a program that took as inputs the surface conditions and composition of a star and then integrated inward to see if they made sense (ie radius too big would result in using up all the mass before reaching the core). We had to do two models each with two user adjustable parameters. The two parameters were coupled so that you couldn't just hold X constant, find the optimum Y, then hold Y constant and adjust X until there was a valid solution, instead, plotting Z=SizeOfError(x,y) would give something that looked like a curving valley with the hills having clifflike drop-off's on the far side of the crests. One model required tuning inputs to 9 decimal places, the second 11. I spent about 15 hours total doing both
I have to admit I've never even seen it...I just picked it out as an example I was aware of! Mind you I've never written a line of Fortran in my life (though I did manage Algol-68 instead :doh:) so that shouldn't be a surprise... Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase a boxed licensed copy of VC++ 6.0? [edit] Does it still come with the msdn? [/edit] This statement is false. -- modified at 18:16 Wednesday 19th July, 2006
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase a boxed licensed copy of VC++ 6.0?
Have you looked in eD2k p2p network? I suppose, with big probability, you'll find it there.
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Maybe I should be a little clearer...It is do-able (Intel integrate their compiler, for example), but the information needed to do it is not something that as far as I'm aware in the public domain. Given that Microsoft no longer support it, that closes off both avenues leaving only reverse engineering and API hooking. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
Well, I'll have to report back with my post mordem then. ;) This statement is false.