How many people here still develop apps in Win32 with C/C++?

Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Our current project[^] is written entirely in C++ as using a .NET language would have been too limiting (we have a single binary that targets all supported platforms; that simply wouldn't be possible in C# because of framework versioning restrictions). For a project of this size (approx 70,000 lines now, not including comments) using Win32 raw is just not productive, particularly as it makes heavy use of multithreading (there are two thread pools), UI and ActiveX. ATL 7.1 and WTL 7.5 provide everything we need so we don't need to incurr the overhead or architectural assumptions of MFC. Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

Jetli Jerry

I am too Sometimes MFC, Jetli Constant Thing In World Is Change.

ThatsAlok

Link2006 wrote:

I mean good old fashion WIN32 API with C/C++. Anyone?

yes i one of them!

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Mike Dimmick

Yes, for small utility programs that run on Windows CE. Either they have no UI or the UI support in ATL is overkill - if you only have one window displaying static text, the Win32 EXE AppWizard's auto-generated 'Hello World' app is enough, likewise if you just have a single dialog that just needs to display a progress bar. Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder

El Corazon

Link2006 wrote:

how many people here still develop apps in Win32 with C/C++?

Not sure I really count, but yes. Mostly because I rarely need more. As soon as I have established a window, the rest is all OpenGL and my code anyhow. I will occasionally use a routine for more, but very rarely. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

cmk

For PDA dev i use a mix of Win32 and MFC. For desktop/server i use a framework i developed years ago that wraps Win32. ...cmk Save the whales - collect the whole set

curt powell

Absolutely! Low-level code (drivers, services).

Jeremy Falcon

I still use a lot of raw Win32 API and C, but I'm also becoming a game programmer using OpenGL and a multimedia library I'm working on. For normal, data-driven apps, I'd probably use something higher level though, but for games, I have the need for speed. :cool: Also, I do like being able to make the occasional app with no dependencies either.

Jeremy Falcon

Jeremy Falcon

Christian Graus wrote:

Either way, looks like you found the only guy.

I'm in the same crowd. That makes three! Woo Hoo. :laugh:

Jeremy Falcon

jewell

I use the correct tool to solve the problem. So yes, if the problem calls for C/C++ and Win32, then that is what I use.

Jason J Neigh

Me too. And I know 4 others not reading this.

Christopher Lloyd

It's all I use, even for big apps. But then all my work involves real time image manipulation and for a lot of that I use assembler - so C++ and Win32 feels really high-level to me! Also I like the total lack of dependency. All my apps run on all 32 bit versions of Windows using a single exe (OK, I do use delayload so I can take advantage of new features). Finally, maybe I'm just too old and stuck in my ways. (I started my progamming career writing a GUI for the PC in C, this was a long time ago - before Windows even existed). And somehow I can never find the time to learn all the new libraries - but then it seems to me you finished learning one and 3 new ones come out!

stephen hazel

me too! working on a midi sequencer (song editor) http://shazware.com/ditty/ And a few utility apps and such. That's home programming though. Not at work. But exclusively Win32 API and C++ at home. ...Steve

ajdiaz

Only to write viruses and hacking tools. Win32 C++ is the best!

Todd Smith

Me ... unfortunately.

Todd Smith

schaffs

I have but recently graduated to a broader audience and usability found in java servlets! I still can and will if needed. There's alot less need for custom Win32 C apps where I am these days.

doug4350

Christian Graus wrote:

For *real* old fashioned, you should have said 'just C'.

ditto... There's a big angry nest of us over here :) ! Aloha, Doug

AntiSilence

I used to make DOS programs using Borland Turbo C 2.0, then in Borland C++ 3.1 (but I only used C since I didn't know C++) but gave that up about 1995. I switched to Visual Basic (go ahead, laugh!) because I didn't want to waste time coding forms, so VB was good for me because I could design my forms easily, and then concentrate on my program. Now though, I've given VB up, and I'm now doing Visual C# 2005 which is fantastic because it's back to a the C-like syntax that I loved (I prefered it over VB). So now I'm really happy :)

robasmith

Do you use some fancy tool to build your gui and write all of the database interface code and the communications layer between your clients and servers??? Have you ever written your own memory allocator??? or forgone standard library calls for file access and wrote the code to read the disk sectors yourself??? Have you ever done any serious work using COBOL, RPGII, PASCAL, C ??? If you answered Yes, No, No, No, do you seriously consider yourself to be a programmer!!!???? Perhaps the dev tools of today have replaced the need for behind the scenes, hardcore programming. But is it really programming???

InOut NET

Ever heard abount XBase++ (Clipper)? My partner wrote a IDE and framework for it to work in windows ages ago (Win3.1 days). If he try to go to a more modern language, he commits himself to the project, but then fails to deliver and always fall back to developing the software in his XBase framework. He can't program in C++ and XBase is te only thing that he knows and feel comortable with. So, the question is How many people still program in languages designed before the 80's?....