WTF (.NET?)
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I was just casually strolling through VB'land and came across a question that had a snippet with this in it... If Result = System.Windows.Forms.DialogResult.OK Then I'm not a .NET person so forgive my inexperienced eyes, but are they really serious? That's quite long winded for something so trivial and probably common place. It makes me embrace my simple native loving VC++ 6.0 even tighter. This is a sad world indeed if that's progress. We are just asking for a repetitive motion injury with coding like that!
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I was just casually strolling through VB'land and came across a question that had a snippet with this in it... If Result = System.Windows.Forms.DialogResult.OK Then I'm not a .NET person so forgive my inexperienced eyes, but are they really serious? That's quite long winded for something so trivial and probably common place. It makes me embrace my simple native loving VC++ 6.0 even tighter. This is a sad world indeed if that's progress. We are just asking for a repetitive motion injury with coding like that!
It's not necessary to do that whole thing. You can use the "using" directive in C# (using namespace in C++/CLI) to shorten the syntax. So at the top of the file you would have: using System.Windows.Forms; (C#) OR using namespace System::Windows::Forms; (C++/CLI) and your snippet in code would be: if(Result == DialogResult.OK) (C#)
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It's not necessary to do that whole thing. You can use the "using" directive in C# (using namespace in C++/CLI) to shorten the syntax. So at the top of the file you would have: using System.Windows.Forms; (C#) OR using namespace System::Windows::Forms; (C++/CLI) and your snippet in code would be: if(Result == DialogResult.OK) (C#)
"Everything I listed is intended to eliminate the tyranny of the majority." -Vincent Reynolds on American Democracy
"using" directives can cause name clashing, can they not?
-- modified at 12:33 Saturday 22nd July, 2006 How exactly is someone reading the code supposed to know which namespace something is from? If you have 25 "using" statements, they are going to have a hard time tracking down which class to look up in MSDN to understand it's usage later on when somebody else is maintaining your code. Am I missing something?
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"using" directives can cause name clashing, can they not?
-- modified at 12:33 Saturday 22nd July, 2006 How exactly is someone reading the code supposed to know which namespace something is from? If you have 25 "using" statements, they are going to have a hard time tracking down which class to look up in MSDN to understand it's usage later on when somebody else is maintaining your code. Am I missing something?
They cause a clash only when you use an symbol that gets ambigous, and the clash can be resolved on symbol by symbol basis
namespace a { void foo(); void bar(); }
namespace b { void foo(); void baz(); }using namespace a;
using namespace b;foo(); // ambigous, error
a::foo(); // ok
bar();
baz();
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They cause a clash only when you use an symbol that gets ambigous, and the clash can be resolved on symbol by symbol basis
namespace a { void foo(); void bar(); }
namespace b { void foo(); void baz(); }using namespace a;
using namespace b;foo(); // ambigous, error
a::foo(); // ok
bar();
baz();
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Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighistI'm fine with single scope operators like a::foo(); MSXML2::IXMLDOMNodePtr pNode=NULL; MSXML2::IXMLDOMNodeListPtr pNodeList=NULL; I guess my issue is with how deep this .NET stuff gets in terms of levels in... System.Windows.Forms.DialogResult.OK Thats just excessive and overkill. The "DialogResult.OK" is potentially defined elsewhere making it an ambiguous symbol potentially in larger apps. "Using" the namespace is not really a good all around solution except in the classroom.
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I'm fine with single scope operators like a::foo(); MSXML2::IXMLDOMNodePtr pNode=NULL; MSXML2::IXMLDOMNodeListPtr pNodeList=NULL; I guess my issue is with how deep this .NET stuff gets in terms of levels in... System.Windows.Forms.DialogResult.OK Thats just excessive and overkill. The "DialogResult.OK" is potentially defined elsewhere making it an ambiguous symbol potentially in larger apps. "Using" the namespace is not really a good all around solution except in the classroom.
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"Using namespace" was considered bad when C++ was popular, but those times are long gone. "Using namespace" is the right and popular thing now and encouraged by any "Add something" wizard in Visual Studio.
Best regards, ----------- Igor Sukhovhttp://sukhov.net
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"Using namespace" was considered bad when C++ was popular, but those times are long gone. "Using namespace" is the right and popular thing now and encouraged by any "Add something" wizard in Visual Studio.
Best regards, ----------- Igor Sukhovhttp://sukhov.net
-- modified at 12:02 Saturday 22nd July, 2006
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"Using namespace" was considered bad when C++ was popular, but those times are long gone. "Using namespace" is the right and popular thing now and encouraged by any "Add something" wizard in Visual Studio.
Best regards, ----------- Igor Sukhovhttp://sukhov.net
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As far as house rule goes "Using namespace" in a header is off limits, but not in a cpp
Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
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I'm fine with single scope operators like a::foo(); MSXML2::IXMLDOMNodePtr pNode=NULL; MSXML2::IXMLDOMNodeListPtr pNodeList=NULL; I guess my issue is with how deep this .NET stuff gets in terms of levels in... System.Windows.Forms.DialogResult.OK Thats just excessive and overkill. The "DialogResult.OK" is potentially defined elsewhere making it an ambiguous symbol potentially in larger apps. "Using" the namespace is not really a good all around solution except in the classroom.
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bob16972 wrote:
The "OK" is potentially defined elsewhere making it an ambiguous symbol potentially in larger apps.
Even when using the using statement you will have to write
DialogResult.OKnot onlyOK. Thus the chance of an ambiguouty is rather small. Robert -
bob16972 wrote:
The "OK" is potentially defined elsewhere making it an ambiguous symbol potentially in larger apps.
Even when using the using statement you will have to write
DialogResult.OKnot onlyOK. Thus the chance of an ambiguouty is rather small. RobertI had already changed that once, but apparently my "modify" did not stick. I saw a comment like yours coming right after I originally posted it so I thought Id modify it but technology apparently failed me. I went ahead and re-clarified it. The "DialogResult.OK" could potentially be valid in other namespaces so my statement should bear some weight. For what it's worth...
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I had already changed that once, but apparently my "modify" did not stick. I saw a comment like yours coming right after I originally posted it so I thought Id modify it but technology apparently failed me. I went ahead and re-clarified it. The "DialogResult.OK" could potentially be valid in other namespaces so my statement should bear some weight. For what it's worth...
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I was just casually strolling through VB'land and came across a question that had a snippet with this in it... If Result = System.Windows.Forms.DialogResult.OK Then I'm not a .NET person so forgive my inexperienced eyes, but are they really serious? That's quite long winded for something so trivial and probably common place. It makes me embrace my simple native loving VC++ 6.0 even tighter. This is a sad world indeed if that's progress. We are just asking for a repetitive motion injury with coding like that!
The bit I don't get is why they have to store the result. The preceding line is almost certainly Dim Result as System.Windows.Forms.DialogResult = myForm.ShowDialog() Given that System.Windows.Forms is scope automatically anyhow, the code should look like this: if myForms.ShowDialog = DialogResult.OK Then
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The bit I don't get is why they have to store the result. The preceding line is almost certainly Dim Result as System.Windows.Forms.DialogResult = myForm.ShowDialog() Given that System.Windows.Forms is scope automatically anyhow, the code should look like this: if myForms.ShowDialog = DialogResult.OK Then
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Christian Graus wrote:
Given that System.Windows.Forms is scope automatically anyhow, the code should look like this: if myForms.ShowDialog = DialogResult.OK Then
Automatic due to a Koenig-like lookup, or because the wizard has injected a using System.Windows.Forms line somewhere in the file? If the former, then :cool:
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Christian Graus wrote:
Given that System.Windows.Forms is scope automatically anyhow, the code should look like this: if myForms.ShowDialog = DialogResult.OK Then
Automatic due to a Koenig-like lookup, or because the wizard has injected a using System.Windows.Forms line somewhere in the file? If the former, then :cool:
-- From the Makers of Futurama
Latter, I am afraid. In C#, you also can't put a using statement for a single object in a namespace, AFAIK you can't do the equivelant of using std::cout;
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"using" directives can cause name clashing, can they not?
-- modified at 12:33 Saturday 22nd July, 2006 How exactly is someone reading the code supposed to know which namespace something is from? If you have 25 "using" statements, they are going to have a hard time tracking down which class to look up in MSDN to understand it's usage later on when somebody else is maintaining your code. Am I missing something?
bob16972 wrote:
"using" directives can cause name clashing, can they not?
Yes, but it's rare. The convenience of not having to always fully qualify type names far outweighs the possibility of name collisions. If a collision occurs, the compiler will let you know.
bob16972 wrote:
How exactly is someone reading the code supposed to know which namespace something is from? If you have 25 "using" statements, they are going to have a hard time tracking down which class to look up in MSDN to understand it's usage later on when somebody else is maintaining your code. Am I missing something?
Yes: 1. The Visual Studio IDE is happy to show you a tool tip with the fully qualified name of the class when you hover over it. 2. Visual Studio is smart enough to bring up the proper help page for a class, even when it's not fully qualified. Regards, Alvaro
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bob16972 wrote:
"using" directives can cause name clashing, can they not?
Yes, but it's rare. The convenience of not having to always fully qualify type names far outweighs the possibility of name collisions. If a collision occurs, the compiler will let you know.
bob16972 wrote:
How exactly is someone reading the code supposed to know which namespace something is from? If you have 25 "using" statements, they are going to have a hard time tracking down which class to look up in MSDN to understand it's usage later on when somebody else is maintaining your code. Am I missing something?
Yes: 1. The Visual Studio IDE is happy to show you a tool tip with the fully qualified name of the class when you hover over it. 2. Visual Studio is smart enough to bring up the proper help page for a class, even when it's not fully qualified. Regards, Alvaro
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
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Christian Graus wrote:
Given that System.Windows.Forms is scope automatically anyhow, the code should look like this: if myForms.ShowDialog = DialogResult.OK Then
Automatic due to a Koenig-like lookup, or because the wizard has injected a using System.Windows.Forms line somewhere in the file? If the former, then :cool:
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Automatic due to a Koenig-like lookup
:-D You give them way too much credit, my friend.
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As far as house rule goes "Using namespace" in a header is off limits, but not in a cpp
Some of us walk the memory lane, others plummet into a rabbit hole
Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighistThanks to the .NET we don't have to care about headers and source files, compilation and linking anymore. Does anybody know Microsoft plans for WTF (like Windows Transofrmation Foundation) abbreviation ?
Best regards, ----------- Igor Sukhovhttp://sukhov.net
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Thanks to the .NET we don't have to care about headers and source files, compilation and linking anymore. Does anybody know Microsoft plans for WTF (like Windows Transofrmation Foundation) abbreviation ?
Best regards, ----------- Igor Sukhovhttp://sukhov.net
Thank god!
using namespace"feels" ok in e.g. C# since it has a well defined scope.using namespacein a C++ header, otoh, is recipe for header-sorting disaster. The C++ compilation model is IMO the worst legacy about the language, and it would still be fixable.
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I was just casually strolling through VB'land and came across a question that had a snippet with this in it... If Result = System.Windows.Forms.DialogResult.OK Then I'm not a .NET person so forgive my inexperienced eyes, but are they really serious? That's quite long winded for something so trivial and probably common place. It makes me embrace my simple native loving VC++ 6.0 even tighter. This is a sad world indeed if that's progress. We are just asking for a repetitive motion injury with coding like that!
Its the same in C++, if you use namespaceing. What is bizarre is that OK, an oft used constant, should be buried so deep. I suppose it is consistent, but where would you put 'TRUE' and 'FALSE'? How about, System.Logic.Boolean.Dualisim.Values.TRUE. Or should that be System.Logic.Dualism.Boolean.Values.TRUE. Kind of makes you wonder where you fit 'mu' logic but there you go.
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