Neutral news media?
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Point taken - While I don't read Fox News, I do take my information from multiple sources. For example the two broadsheet papers in Scotland tend to have differing opinions so I try to read both and then from that to work out the truth. I don't automatically believe what those sources tell me either. For example today I wrote to The Scotsman "Criticising is easy. If you had provided some constructive criticism, whereby you offer an alternative, I might be able to see your point of view. As it is, all I see is the continual cynical, sceptical, contemptuous reporting of anything that might benefit Scotland by The Scotsman." As you can probably tell, the author of one of their article irked me for the last time.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
While I don't read Fox News
No body should but sadly most americans do.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I do take my information from multiple sources.
So do I. With what's happening in the world, one must try to get the broadest view, accumulated from many sources, because every media outlet is influenced by one party or the other.
Farhan Noor Qureshi
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
liberal - from the latin meaning free. But somewhere along the way the word got bastardised in American English and so I suspect you don't really mean "liberal" as it is properly defined. I do mean liberal as it is properly defined and I am proud to say that I am a liberal person living in a liberal society.
Perhaps i should use a different word on an international forum like this, but in America, liberal means the opposite of the true latin meaning of the word.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I wouldn't say so. It seems to be balanced. Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
Does this not seem a little biased in Islam's favor? BBC definition of Islam[^] Islam began in Arabia and was revealed to humanity by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Those who follow Islam are called Muslims. Muslims believe that there is only one God. The Arabic word for God is Allah. BBC definition of Christianity[^] Christianity is the world's biggest religion, with about 2.1 billion followers worldwide. It is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ who lived in the Holy Land 2,000 years ago. It says that Mohammad was a prophet, and even includes the pbuh, but does it say that Jesus is God's Son, or that he died for Man's Sins?
Not good examples, the beeb edited them after complaints. They also use G-d in the judaism section.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
liberal - from the latin meaning free. But somewhere along the way the word got bastardised in American English and so I suspect you don't really mean "liberal" as it is properly defined. I do mean liberal as it is properly defined and I am proud to say that I am a liberal person living in a liberal society.
Perhaps i should use a different word on an international forum like this, but in America, liberal means the opposite of the true latin meaning of the word.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I wouldn't say so. It seems to be balanced. Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
Does this not seem a little biased in Islam's favor? BBC definition of Islam[^] Islam began in Arabia and was revealed to humanity by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Those who follow Islam are called Muslims. Muslims believe that there is only one God. The Arabic word for God is Allah. BBC definition of Christianity[^] Christianity is the world's biggest religion, with about 2.1 billion followers worldwide. It is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ who lived in the Holy Land 2,000 years ago. It says that Mohammad was a prophet, and even includes the pbuh, but does it say that Jesus is God's Son, or that he died for Man's Sins?
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in America, liberal means the opposite of the true latin meaning of the word
It would be more accurate to say that to the American Christian Right, the word "liberal" no longer embodies the true latin meaning of the word.
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Nice catch. But as Chris was saying, this may be due the climate of political correctness?
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
super wrote:
Nice catch
Did you read the articles he quoted? Did you notice that he hadn't read them and was making false claims. Claims which were easily found to be false with in moments of starting to read the aforementioned articles?
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Christian Graus wrote:
there is no such thing as an unbiased media
Thats my opinion too.But irony is many people understand this but tend to forget it when they want to argue their point of view, they take the news media which is nearer to their liking and ignore the rest.
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
super wrote:
they take the news media which is nearer to their liking and ignore the rest.
Yeah, you see a lot of that, I don't get it at all.
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super wrote:
Nice catch
Did you read the articles he quoted? Did you notice that he hadn't read them and was making false claims. Claims which were easily found to be false with in moments of starting to read the aforementioned articles?
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Yeah, I read the few lines from the site. I am not saying that BBC is biased towards Islam.I am just saying that wordings in the article may be due to political correctness because anything near anti-islam or neutral rasies the controversy
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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super wrote:
I meant unbiased and not biased news
Interesting how people on here seem to think that liberal biased news is balaced, but conservative news is very unbalanced.
Today's headline from Fox Hezbollah's 'Cowardly' Use of Civilians This is news for the stupid. Skip the facts and get straight to the conclution. I would rather they present the facts and not their opinion. I dont need to be told if it is cowardly or not. I want to make up my own mind. They should at least put crap like that in the editorial section.
Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
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Seriously though, i think Fox News[^] has the most balanced coverage.
Fox news is my favorite too. Heck I prefer it even over Comedy central.
Farhan Noor Qureshi
Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Fox news is my favorite too. Heck I prefer it even over Comedy central.
"Farhan Qureshi recently stated that he prefers Fox News over Comedy Central. Could this mean that he was once a terrorist-loving hippie? Let's ask our panel of experts. Ann, what do you think?" Alvaro
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
in America, liberal means the opposite of the true latin meaning of the word
It would be more accurate to say that to the American Christian Right, the word "liberal" no longer embodies the true latin meaning of the word.
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
It would be more accurate to say that to the American Christian Right, the word "liberal" no longer embodies the true latin meaning of the word.
Liberals pretend to be defending freedom, when really they want more government controls. The Liberals' version of what they call freedom is remarkably similar to communism. Liberals think that freedom means being given what you want (i.e. welfare), when conservatives believe that freedom means making sure everyone can make decisions for themselves.
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Perhaps you're just used to a conservative, anti Muslim, pro Christianity and pro Israel press ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
Perhaps you're just used to a conservative, anti Muslim, pro Christianity and pro Israel press ?
Is that a bad thing?
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In this highly polarised world, it seems natural that even news media are biased in some way or other. So my qestion is, which news media(portal/network) do you prefer to get the facts of a particular issue?
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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Christian Graus wrote:
Perhaps you're just used to a conservative, anti Muslim, pro Christianity and pro Israel press ?
Is that a bad thing?
That depends - do you want to be informed, or do you want someone to feed your biases, to help justify things you already believe, with no reason grounded in truth to believe it ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Farhan Noor Qureshi wrote:
Fox news is my favorite too. Heck I prefer it even over Comedy central.
"Farhan Qureshi recently stated that he prefers Fox News over Comedy Central. Could this mean that he was once a terrorist-loving hippie? Let's ask our panel of experts. Ann, what do you think?" Alvaro
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
Alvaro, you made my day! :-D:-D:-D
Farhan Noor Qureshi
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Today's headline from Fox Hezbollah's 'Cowardly' Use of Civilians This is news for the stupid. Skip the facts and get straight to the conclution. I would rather they present the facts and not their opinion. I dont need to be told if it is cowardly or not. I want to make up my own mind. They should at least put crap like that in the editorial section.
Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
Josh Gray wrote:
Hezbollah's 'Cowardly' Use of Civilians This is news for the stupid. Skip the facts and get straight to the conclution. I would rather they present the facts and not their opinion. I dont need to be told if it is cowardly or not. I want to make up my own mind. They should at least put crap like that in the editorial section.
If you would have actually looked at the article, you would have seen that the article was about someone in the UN calling Hezbollah 'cowardly'.
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Today's headline from Fox Hezbollah's 'Cowardly' Use of Civilians This is news for the stupid. Skip the facts and get straight to the conclution. I would rather they present the facts and not their opinion. I dont need to be told if it is cowardly or not. I want to make up my own mind. They should at least put crap like that in the editorial section.
Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
Er, that was straight from the UN. Jan Egeland condemned both Israel and Hezbollah's deliberate use of human shields. Other sources may have used a different headline :)
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Er, that was straight from the UN. Jan Egeland condemned both Israel and Hezbollah's deliberate use of human shields. Other sources may have used a different headline :)
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Josh Gray wrote:
Hezbollah's 'Cowardly' Use of Civilians This is news for the stupid. Skip the facts and get straight to the conclution. I would rather they present the facts and not their opinion. I dont need to be told if it is cowardly or not. I want to make up my own mind. They should at least put crap like that in the editorial section.
If you would have actually looked at the article, you would have seen that the article was about someone in the UN calling Hezbollah 'cowardly'.
If you read past the first paragraph you would see this During that visit he condemned the killing and wounding of civilians by both sides, and called Israel's offensive "disproportionate" and "a violation of international humanitarian law." :)
Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
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That pair of choices certainly explains a lot about you.
Such as the complexity of his beliefs: "Bush bad, Cheney mean, terrorists misunderstood, Jimmy hungry" :laugh:
Thank God for disproportional force.
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In this highly polarised world, it seems natural that even news media are biased in some way or other. So my qestion is, which news media(portal/network) do you prefer to get the facts of a particular issue?
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
http://news.yahoo.com/[^] If I watch any news it will be Fox, or PBS. I listen to some talk radio, but I'm as likely to listen to Ed Shultz as Limbaugh.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
It would be more accurate to say that to the American Christian Right, the word "liberal" no longer embodies the true latin meaning of the word.
Liberals pretend to be defending freedom, when really they want more government controls. The Liberals' version of what they call freedom is remarkably similar to communism. Liberals think that freedom means being given what you want (i.e. welfare), when conservatives believe that freedom means making sure everyone can make decisions for themselves.
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
Liberals pretend to be defending freedom, when really they want more government controls. The Liberals' version of what they call freedom is remarkably similar to communism. Liberals think that freedom means being given what you want (i.e. welfare), when conservatives believe that freedom means making sure everyone can make decisions for themselves.
As a member of the American Christian right, of course those are your beliefs, and that is your definition. I prefer to use the word "right", as it is hardly conservative to spend vast amounts of borrowed money in order to finance grand experiments in building democracies overseas by force. As for the content of your definition, I refer you to my recent discussions in this forum regarding personal liberty and sovereignty of the individual, and will only state here that I respectfully, but very strongly, disagree with you and the religious right regarding the definition of liberal.