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  • R Ray Kinsella

    As I said the Turing test has no context, and hence is very limited and is no longer considered to be an accurate test of AI. For example in CL (Computational Linguistics) you will come across lots of examples of this, my favourite is the one that comes with Emacs, they essentially switch parts of sentences around, to give the impression of the intelligence. me: I feel depressed about the war zippy psychoanalyst : Why do you feel depressed about the war So for about five seconds the psychoanalyst will fool you, but if you asked the psychoanalyst falls down on statements like me : I worry people will get hurt in country X The psychoanalyst has no clue what you are talking about because its ignorant of context, i.e. the people of country X. You are correct though to certain extent, intelligence is now seen to be an emergent property of derived from several combined simpler behaviors with context. "Steele's Mars Explorer" experiment is a good example of generating complex behavior through a series of nested "if" statements, its employed in a Multi-agent System Architecture called the "Reactive Architecture", its now also debunked because the once you hit a threshold number of if statements it becomes very unwieldy and impractical. It has been superseded by the "Hybrid Architecture".

    Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch

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    Dan Neely
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    Ray Kinsella wrote:

    For example in CL (Computational Linguistics) you will come across lots of examples of this, my favourite is the one that comes with Emacs, they essentially switch parts of sentences around, to give the impression of the intelligence.

    That's Eliza, not emacs!

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    • R Ryan Binns

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      Hmmm. I have to shut up, otherwised I will be banned from CP forever, but a Depeche Mode song comes up my mind. :-D I'm so spoiled! Behave myself! :rolleyes:

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        Hmmm. I have to shut up, otherwised I will be banned from CP forever, but a Depeche Mode song comes up my mind. :-D I'm so spoiled! Behave myself! :rolleyes:

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        ihoecken wrote:

        Hmmm. I have to shut up, otherwised I will be banned from CP forever, but a Depeche Mode song comes up my mind.

        Have you heard the kinda freaky Rammstien cover of it?

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        • M MatthysDT

          Question - Does an IF statement constitute artificial intelligence? This is due to be heavily debated at my university, thought some external views would be nice.

          you can't forget something you never knew...

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          Kri5
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          First you have to lay down the definition of 'intelligence'. Lots of people have mistaken ideas of how to define intelligence. If it's defined as problem-solving, or the ability to memorize (which are wrong definitions anyway), then most programs, even a simple calculator would be classified as intelligent. Most people even find it hard to distinguish between learning and intelligence. My own definition of intelligence (after having pondered on it as part of my studies too, involving lots of discussions, heated debates and programming AI....oh my miss those good ol' days... :) ) is the ability to learn with the minimal resources. And how would i define learning? It's the ability to generalise, form concepts, abstractions, from what you see around you. For e.g. you learn what car is by simply looking at two or three cars, and then form the generalisation that cars have wheels, windows, an engine, etc. Clearly all this leads to the conclusion that an 'IF' statement is not AI. Rather, it is a logic instruction that an AI process needs to use, such as in the car example: IF it has wheels/engine/windows/etc, THEN it's a car. (I hope i didn't do the assignment for you ;P )

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          • M MatthysDT

            Question - Does an IF statement constitute artificial intelligence? This is due to be heavily debated at my university, thought some external views would be nice.

            you can't forget something you never knew...

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            Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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            Are artificially intelligent! If you provide the if statement with a significantly robust training set does it change the value of the statement for given inputs to match experience? Does the experience learned corrollate when provided with a data set that was not used in training?

            A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane

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            • K Kri5

              First you have to lay down the definition of 'intelligence'. Lots of people have mistaken ideas of how to define intelligence. If it's defined as problem-solving, or the ability to memorize (which are wrong definitions anyway), then most programs, even a simple calculator would be classified as intelligent. Most people even find it hard to distinguish between learning and intelligence. My own definition of intelligence (after having pondered on it as part of my studies too, involving lots of discussions, heated debates and programming AI....oh my miss those good ol' days... :) ) is the ability to learn with the minimal resources. And how would i define learning? It's the ability to generalise, form concepts, abstractions, from what you see around you. For e.g. you learn what car is by simply looking at two or three cars, and then form the generalisation that cars have wheels, windows, an engine, etc. Clearly all this leads to the conclusion that an 'IF' statement is not AI. Rather, it is a logic instruction that an AI process needs to use, such as in the car example: IF it has wheels/engine/windows/etc, THEN it's a car. (I hope i didn't do the assignment for you ;P )

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              MatthysDT
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              Hi, thank you for your views. You didn't do my assignment (it's not an assignment per say) but I hope you dont mind if I citate one or two of your statements. I'm taking AI for the first time this semester and it must be one of my most fascinating subject so far. (Still :zzz: in class though :laugh:, no class ever keeps me interested past the first hour)

              you can't forget something you never knew...

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              • D Dan Neely

                ihoecken wrote:

                Hmmm. I have to shut up, otherwised I will be banned from CP forever, but a Depeche Mode song comes up my mind.

                Have you heard the kinda freaky Rammstien cover of it?

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                dan neely wrote:

                Have you heard the kinda freaky Rammstien cover of it?

                Yes, I still favor Depeche Mode's version, but it's pretty cool for a cover version. It has it's own style. :)

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                • M MatthysDT

                  Question - Does an IF statement constitute artificial intelligence? This is due to be heavily debated at my university, thought some external views would be nice.

                  you can't forget something you never knew...

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                  evilnoodle wrote:

                  Question - Does an IF statement constitute artificial intelligence?

                  The world is not black and white... when the computer can look at an "if" statement and decide that neither answer is "completely true" then it will have AI. An if statement is a double bind, a rigid construct with no escape... it is a cage. When the computer can decide that the conditional no longer applies and that a new decision has to be made, then that is AI.

                  _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                  • M MatthysDT

                    According to Turing, If a interrogator were to ask identical questions to a human and a "computer" without knowing which one provided which answer and cannot distinguish by the answers which is is the human's and which is the computers, that computer or software qualifies as AI. Can we assume that the human would think rationally? If so, I can't see why IF statements cant be structured (with the right variables or environmental variables) as qualified AI.

                    you can't forget something you never knew...

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                    Chris S Kaiser
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                    Turing's test is for strong AI, there is also weak AI such as we find in games. But, no, if is a logical switch in paths of choice. So it would utilized as a mechanism by AI but isn't on its own.

                    This statement is false.

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                    • M MatthysDT

                      Question - Does an IF statement constitute artificial intelligence? This is due to be heavily debated at my university, thought some external views would be nice.

                      you can't forget something you never knew...

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                      Jason McBurney
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                      evilnoodle wrote:

                      Does an IF statement constitute artificial intelligence?

                      If we are marketing the product then yes. However, if you can ask the system why it choose the case, it choose then I would argue it quasi - intelligent, maybe in the goldfish or slug catagory :P

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                      • M MatthysDT

                        Hi, thank you for your views. You didn't do my assignment (it's not an assignment per say) but I hope you dont mind if I citate one or two of your statements. I'm taking AI for the first time this semester and it must be one of my most fascinating subject so far. (Still :zzz: in class though :laugh:, no class ever keeps me interested past the first hour)

                        you can't forget something you never knew...

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                        Kri5
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                        You can use any statements you wish....i don't hold any copyright over what i said; however if one day you get your degree and make millions, remember that i like Ferraris :) I love AI myself, i guess you'll end up addicted :)

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                        • K Kri5

                          You can use any statements you wish....i don't hold any copyright over what i said; however if one day you get your degree and make millions, remember that i like Ferraris :) I love AI myself, i guess you'll end up addicted :)

                          _________________________ Kri5

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                          MatthysDT
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                          Ferrari, got it!

                          you can't forget something you never knew...

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