My two-cents worth (or 5 cents for those without 1 cent pieces anymore)
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Well, strangly I am a left-handed, female Native American Jew. Population One! I'm covered!:-D
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Judah Himango wrote:
the northern nation of Israel was taken into captivity by Assyria, never to return.
Judah Himango wrote:
if they descend from any of the 12 tribes
How do you reconcile these two statements ? ( Just interested )
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Some of the 10 northern tribes had a few people scattered down south into Judah. For example, the Levites were the priests who were scattered across both nations. Simeonites didn't take their allotted land in the north, so they ended up being scattered between the two now. To clarify, "Jews" are typically Judahites or Benjaminites, as those are the 2 major tribes making up the southern nation of Judah. However, because some tribes had some scattered members between both nations, any modern Jew would be someone that descended from either. Most modern Jews, however, are Judahites; there are very few that can trace descent through any other tribe.
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Funny, I don't remember boxes for Jew or Arab or Celt on any of those stupid governmental forms that ask what your race is. The main reason people are claiming everything is a race these days is exactly those forms. They want some special treatment from the government or they want to call anyone who disgrees with them racist which has become a very derogatory word. -- modified at 21:23 Friday 28th July, 2006
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Unfortunately for Jews, we do have a lot of truely racist people that hate us, I don't think I need to cite any examples.
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Where were you when I was trying to explain this a few days ago ?
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I rarely risk jumping into the soapbox. I can waste 5 hours of a work day in here arguing. :)
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Unfortunately for Jews, we do have a lot of truely racist people that hate us, I don't think I need to cite any examples.
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Honestly though, even as a [insert color here] person, there's almost always going to be people who hate you. They don't even have to be a different [color/religion/race] than you. Take a walk with your girlfriend (or wife) in downtown Minneapolis sometime (yeah I'm from the TC as well), and watch almost everyone give you a dirty look. Yeah they might not be shooting at you, but some of them sure seem like they want to.
Chris Richardson
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Honestly though, even as a [insert color here] person, there's almost always going to be people who hate you. They don't even have to be a different [color/religion/race] than you. Take a walk with your girlfriend (or wife) in downtown Minneapolis sometime (yeah I'm from the TC as well), and watch almost everyone give you a dirty look. Yeah they might not be shooting at you, but some of them sure seem like they want to.
Chris Richardson
Of course; hate comes in whenever there's difference of anything, it seems. Jews have seen this probably more than most people groups, IMO.
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Unfortunately for Jews, we do have a lot of truely racist people that hate us, I don't think I need to cite any examples.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Unfortunately for Jews, we do have a lot of truely racist people that hate us, I don't think I need to cite any examples.
There's a special term for people who hate Jews, antisemitic. While they have much in common with racists, technically they aren't. BTW, how do you reconcile your alignment with the Jews and being so hot an bothered about Jesus?
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Unfortunately for Jews, we do have a lot of truely racist people that hate us, I don't think I need to cite any examples.
There's a special term for people who hate Jews, antisemitic. While they have much in common with racists, technically they aren't. BTW, how do you reconcile your alignment with the Jews and being so hot an bothered about Jesus?
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
I find it interesting that you're surprised at my being Jewish and believing in Jesus. After all, Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, the Lion of Judah, and is--hands down--the most influential rabbi in the history of the world. His early followers, including all 12 apostles, were Jews. Most of the New Testament was written by Jews. Even Paul, the guy spreading the Jesus message out to the gentiles, and writer of a good deal of the New Testament, also was a Jew. That said, I don't believe in Jesus because he's Jewish. I believe in Jesus because I believe that Jesus was and is the Messiah promised in the Jewish Scripture. While there are plent of religious, Scriptural and prophetic reasons for this --reasons you probably aren't interested in--Jesus also did something even secular folks can see: he brought billions of people in the world--completely non-Jewish people--to worship the God of Israel through him. He opened up access to God so that both the insider Jews and the outsider non-Jews could come to God and stand as equals before God. In other words, Jesus set it up so that it doesn't matter whether you're a Jew or a non-Jew; that doesn't make or break you before God. Those things are a few of the things I think only Messiah could accomplish.
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fat_boy wrote:
Do the same for muslims then.
Absolutely, I agree and totally concur. One thing that gets me though, is that many times I'll hear this same thing from Muslims, and think, "Ok, he's right, not all Muslims adhere to such crazy, genocidal ideas." But then a week or so later, I hear those same people defending groups like Hamas, Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade, Islamic Jihad group, Hizbullah, or the views of the Iranian President Ahmadinejad. I mean, if you guys really don't stand for the genocidal notions of removal of the Jewish race and government from Israel--complete destruction of Israel--please say so and don't defend groups that espouse such terrible things. I suspect your saying such honorable things isn't backed up by your real-world views; I hope I'm wrong about that.
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Judah Himango wrote:
if you guys really don't stand for the genocidal notions of removal of the Jewish race
You should know that I am just an anglo saxon, beer drinking, irreligious, cunt. Yes, I condemn all terorist groups, all religious crazies who kill in the name of their god. All hypocrites, all the ignorant scared fools who drag the world in to pain and darkness. What really grips my shit is the hypocrisy of the US. Just because a bunch of fundamental christians think that untill all the Jews are in Israel the messianic ewra wont begin, the US backs Israel to the hilt in whatever it does. So we have three groups of fundamental crazies in the problem. Not a problem unless one of them is a world super power...
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Judah Himango wrote:
if you guys really don't stand for the genocidal notions of removal of the Jewish race
You should know that I am just an anglo saxon, beer drinking, irreligious, cunt. Yes, I condemn all terorist groups, all religious crazies who kill in the name of their god. All hypocrites, all the ignorant scared fools who drag the world in to pain and darkness. What really grips my shit is the hypocrisy of the US. Just because a bunch of fundamental christians think that untill all the Jews are in Israel the messianic ewra wont begin, the US backs Israel to the hilt in whatever it does. So we have three groups of fundamental crazies in the problem. Not a problem unless one of them is a world super power...
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Christian support of Israel is not simply because it will make Jesus come back; I can't speak for every believer in Jesus, but I know it certainly isn't the case for myself or the folks I converse with. I may not fit into your stereotype since I myself am a Jew, but I have visited many churches and have talked with a wide variety of Christians, and I can say by experience that Christians generally love Jews for several reasons that are a lot deeper than the simpleton's explanation that "Jesus will come back". :) I see plainly how outsiders try to deride such love and support of the Jewish people. Why do Christians support Israel? So Jesus will come back. Why do Christians support Israel financially and visit Israel? So Jesus will come back. Why do Christians send aide to the families of injured or deceased Israeli soldiers? So Jesus will come back. Why do Christians go to the ballgame on Sunday? So Jesus will come back. ;) It's nearly laughable, but at the same time kind of sad that some people have such a deep ignorance and misunderstanding of the situation. Let me elaborate on the real reasons: the Jewish people are spiritual brothers of Christians; Paul talks about this in the New Testament, how followers of Jesus should be blessing the Jews rather than cursing them. The New Testament goes as far as to say that Christians are grafted into the tree of Israel (spiritually speaking) by embracing the Messiah of Israel, Jesus. Christians share so much in common with the Jews: a common belief in the one-and-only God, the entire Jewish Scripture, the basis for our morality, to name a few. Christians aim to love the Jewish people for these reasons. Even the Christian Scriptures tell us to love the Jews, pray for the peace of Jerusalem, bless Israel, and so on. I'd be glad to give you references for all that if you're interested. In addition, it was Jesus who said the greatest of all the commandments in Scripture is to love God and to love others. Christians, I'm sure you'll be quick to point out, have missed big time on the latter, especially in our relationship to the Jewish people in the past, but we've learned our lesson there and are changing. On the political front, Israel as a nation is a beacon of democracy in a sea Islamic theocracies. They share much of our value system, which makes sense as the current value system is one based in Judeo-Christian values; it's no wonder the United States supports Israel politically. The folks disliking this political support typically have either of the followin