I'm an MCP
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
anti-cert testing as I feel they are an in general waste of time and money
Why?
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven WrightI don't know about Eric, but I once interviewed a candidate for a position in my company who was MCSD. The candidate could not answer a single technical question. At that time I asked her how she became an MCSD without having a basic knowledge of C++\MFC (this was in 1999). She answered me saying that she got the questions and answers from a web site (I believe it was transcender.com) and memorized them to pass the test. From that point I have low opinion on certifications. I must confess that I also was MS certified (MCP) (not C++ but in VB because I wanted to learn VB that time) but then I never pursued to take two more tests and become MCSD. In fact if I see some candidate as MCSD I always ask him tougher technical questions.
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I don't know about Eric, but I once interviewed a candidate for a position in my company who was MCSD. The candidate could not answer a single technical question. At that time I asked her how she became an MCSD without having a basic knowledge of C++\MFC (this was in 1999). She answered me saying that she got the questions and answers from a web site (I believe it was transcender.com) and memorized them to pass the test. From that point I have low opinion on certifications. I must confess that I also was MS certified (MCP) (not C++ but in VB because I wanted to learn VB that time) but then I never pursued to take two more tests and become MCSD. In fact if I see some candidate as MCSD I always ask him tougher technical questions.
If someone has no work experience in a technology, for example .NET, but has their certification for it, I would imagine that having a cert would help to get the interview in the first place. Would you disagree with that?
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wright -
If someone has no work experience in a technology, for example .NET, but has their certification for it, I would imagine that having a cert would help to get the interview in the first place. Would you disagree with that?
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven WrightSomethings are wrong, getting a cert so you can get into an interview for a job you know you are not qualified is tantamount to stealing. Ethics is a major concern and I am surprised that so few people in the field seem to care.
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
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Somethings are wrong, getting a cert so you can get into an interview for a job you know you are not qualified is tantamount to stealing. Ethics is a major concern and I am surprised that so few people in the field seem to care.
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
I disagree. In lieu of on-the-job experience, a certification is a perfectly legit way to show you've had exposure to the technology. During the interview the company can determine your level of competence.
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Today I sat for and passed the 070-315 exam, Developing and Implementing Web Applications with Microsoft Visual C# .NET and Microsoft Visual Studio .NET. I'm on my way to become an MCSD, and then sit for the 2005 upgrades and become a MCPD!!!
mszulman wrote:
Today I sat for and passed the 070-315 exam, Developing and Implementing Web Applications with Microsoft Visual C# .NET and Microsoft Visual Studio .NET.
Congratulations.
mszulman wrote:
I'm on my way to become an MCSD, and then sit for the 2005 upgrades and become a MCPD!!!
Good luck, keep us posted.
Farhan Noor Qureshi
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I disagree. In lieu of on-the-job experience, a certification is a perfectly legit way to show you've had exposure to the technology. During the interview the company can determine your level of competence.
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven WrightOnly if you say up front in the resume or cover letter to such. Certificaiton tests, however, are presented in a manner to convince the testor to believe they are certified. Thus they apply for many jobs they are not, and that they should know they are not, qualified for. If you do not have industry experience you should take a cert test. (That is assuming one should even take one) If you do not have industry experience you shouldn't take a cert test. (That is assuming one should even take one) -- modified at 16:48 Tuesday 1st August, 2006 -- modified at 16:49 Tuesday 1st August, 2006
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
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Because if you had to pay for it you wasted your money. (Sorry, I am just anti-cert testing as I feel they are an in general waste of time and money. I would only take the test if someone else paid for it)
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
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Only if you say up front in the resume or cover letter to such. Certificaiton tests, however, are presented in a manner to convince the testor to believe they are certified. Thus they apply for many jobs they are not, and that they should know they are not, qualified for. If you do not have industry experience you should take a cert test. (That is assuming one should even take one) If you do not have industry experience you shouldn't take a cert test. (That is assuming one should even take one) -- modified at 16:48 Tuesday 1st August, 2006 -- modified at 16:49 Tuesday 1st August, 2006
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Only if you say up front in the resume or cover letter to such.
True. I wouldn't claim to have more experience than I have in any skill. I also won't skip listing a technology simply because I'm not an expert. The interviewer can ask me for more specifics when we meet. An additional benefit to taking a cert, in my opinion, is that it gives you a structured setting and goals to learning about a new technology. Anyway, thanks for the input.
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wright -
Today I sat for and passed the 070-315 exam, Developing and Implementing Web Applications with Microsoft Visual C# .NET and Microsoft Visual Studio .NET. I'm on my way to become an MCSD, and then sit for the 2005 upgrades and become a MCPD!!!
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I don't know about Eric, but I once interviewed a candidate for a position in my company who was MCSD. The candidate could not answer a single technical question. At that time I asked her how she became an MCSD without having a basic knowledge of C++\MFC (this was in 1999). She answered me saying that she got the questions and answers from a web site (I believe it was transcender.com) and memorized them to pass the test. From that point I have low opinion on certifications. I must confess that I also was MS certified (MCP) (not C++ but in VB because I wanted to learn VB that time) but then I never pursued to take two more tests and become MCSD. In fact if I see some candidate as MCSD I always ask him tougher technical questions.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
memorized them to pass the test
OK well there's someone who's pretty good at memorizing... which is a step up from hiring someone who just gave you a bunch of B.S. about their amazing abilities ;)
"Nothing ever changes by staying the same." - David Brent (BBC's The Office)
~ ScrollingGrid: A cross-browser freeze-header control for the ASP.NET DataGrid
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
memorized them to pass the test
OK well there's someone who's pretty good at memorizing... which is a step up from hiring someone who just gave you a bunch of B.S. about their amazing abilities ;)
"Nothing ever changes by staying the same." - David Brent (BBC's The Office)
~ ScrollingGrid: A cross-browser freeze-header control for the ASP.NET DataGrid
I used to memorize credit card numbers as a party trick. Memorizing a bunch of answers in a book is all college students are taught to do.
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
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Because if you had to pay for it you wasted your money. (Sorry, I am just anti-cert testing as I feel they are an in general waste of time and money. I would only take the test if someone else paid for it)
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
if you had to pay
I took the same exam about 6 months ago and they forgot to charge me. I'm still waiting for an invoice :-D
"Nothing ever changes by staying the same." - David Brent (BBC's The Office)
~ ScrollingGrid: A cross-browser freeze-header control for the ASP.NET DataGrid
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Today I sat for and passed the 070-315 exam, Developing and Implementing Web Applications with Microsoft Visual C# .NET and Microsoft Visual Studio .NET. I'm on my way to become an MCSD, and then sit for the 2005 upgrades and become a MCPD!!!
Congrats. I did the same exam in pretty extreme heat & humidity (no air-con X|) Was tempting to rush it to get the hell out of there!
"Nothing ever changes by staying the same." - David Brent (BBC's The Office)
~ ScrollingGrid: A cross-browser freeze-header control for the ASP.NET DataGrid
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I don't know about Eric, but I once interviewed a candidate for a position in my company who was MCSD. The candidate could not answer a single technical question. At that time I asked her how she became an MCSD without having a basic knowledge of C++\MFC (this was in 1999). She answered me saying that she got the questions and answers from a web site (I believe it was transcender.com) and memorized them to pass the test. From that point I have low opinion on certifications. I must confess that I also was MS certified (MCP) (not C++ but in VB because I wanted to learn VB that time) but then I never pursued to take two more tests and become MCSD. In fact if I see some candidate as MCSD I always ask him tougher technical questions.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
In fact if I see some candidate as MCSD I always ask him tougher technical questions.
Wow. There is a name for that type of thinking that we don't use in the lounge. :(
"I'm happier than a tornado in a trailer park"--Cars
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Me too. Weird how the brain associates things that way. I guess Tron and WarGames left quite an impression on my fragile little 12-13 year old mind back in the 80's. When I go to Burger King (not very often), I can't find Whopper on the menu, because I'm looking for WOPR. :)
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
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Me too. Weird how the brain associates things that way. I guess Tron and WarGames left quite an impression on my fragile little 12-13 year old mind back in the 80's. When I go to Burger King (not very often), I can't find Whopper on the menu, because I'm looking for WOPR. :)
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
Steve Echols wrote:
I can't find Whopper on the menu, because I'm looking for WOPR.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Steve Echols wrote:
Tron and WarGames
I remember when those first came out. Now, only if I could find my tapes of them :doh:
I'd like to help but I don't feel like Googling it for you.
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Steve Echols wrote:
I can't find Whopper on the menu, because I'm looking for WOPR.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Steve Echols wrote:
Tron and WarGames
I remember when those first came out. Now, only if I could find my tapes of them :doh:
I'd like to help but I don't feel like Googling it for you.
Your tapes are probably worn out anyway - time to ante up the $6.99 and buy them on DVD. :) Gotta love the classics...
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
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Your tapes are probably worn out anyway - time to ante up the $6.99 and buy them on DVD. :) Gotta love the classics...
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
Steve Echols wrote:
Your tapes are probably worn out anyway - time to ante up the $6.99 and buy them on DVD.
Yeah, War Games I know where that tape is, but Tron is another story. Guess it's time to go DVD on those two :-D
I'd like to help but I don't feel like Googling it for you.
