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  • C CodyDaemon

    Fair enough, it just I was worried that it was a 'How do I interact with this freak?' kinda thing. I stand corrected in fact it is not that, it just a 'Any one know a good way to do...' question.

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    homegrown
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    absolutely.. in fact, that's a more accurate summary of what i'm trying to find out.. :) plenty of data on kids and education.. not so much on programmers in the corporate...

    :: have the courage to use your own reason

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      Justin Cobb wrote:

      I find that I have to be able to make the whole concept as abstract as possible for me to understand it... solid examples are good but often I find them too limiting in a way.

      too limiting... ? how so?

      :: have the courage to use your own reason

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      Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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      They don't show the "big picture". I struggle with that too - if the concepts behind a sample aren't clear, I have difficulty seeing its relevance most of the time. When that happens I'll skim an article, classify it as "boring" and go looking for something more relevant (and therefore interesting).

      Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

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        They don't show the "big picture". I struggle with that too - if the concepts behind a sample aren't clear, I have difficulty seeing its relevance most of the time. When that happens I'll skim an article, classify it as "boring" and go looking for something more relevant (and therefore interesting).

        Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

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        thanks. good to know... i know some areas where we can include "big picture" discussions more frequently within the dev process... actually a bit of a light-bulb moment going on here :D thank you!

        :: have the courage to use your own reason

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        • D Dustin Metzgar

          Allctauy, trhee wree smoe aleticrs a wlhie bcak aoubt how we dno't pay aentieotn to the ltetres in the mdidle of the wrod but can sitll ustarednnd the stencene.


          Logifusion[^] If not entertaining, write your Congressman.

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          Ed Poore
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          The typical one is the sign about Paris which has a doubled word (one at the end and one at the beginning of a line) and 99% of people don't see it.


          As of how to accomplish this I wouldn't have a clue at the moment and I'm too lazy to google it

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          • H homegrown

            thanks. good to know... i know some areas where we can include "big picture" discussions more frequently within the dev process... actually a bit of a light-bulb moment going on here :D thank you!

            :: have the courage to use your own reason

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            Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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            Anytime. :)

            Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

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            • D Dustin Metzgar

              Allctauy, trhee wree smoe aleticrs a wlhie bcak aoubt how we dno't pay aentieotn to the ltetres in the mdidle of the wrod but can sitll ustarednnd the stencene.


              Logifusion[^] If not entertaining, write your Congressman.

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              Chris S Kaiser
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              Now replace the first and last letters with each other.

              This statement is false.

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              • H homegrown

                code reviews do help. and often and frequently.. and infact, more than once it has helped out other areas in the system cos it forces us to slow things down and consider more deliberately what's going on :) it's just that there's so much "new" information out there that has to be consumed- sifting out the good from the bad and the ugly is easy.. if u can read... not so, if u can't and that slows other things down....

                :: have the courage to use your own reason

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                Never noticed that he had much more trouble analysing and using information from the internet or from books. Ok, he was a little slower reading material, but not that much more slower that we could notice it on the schedule or anything. I just made sure he had an hour extra on a task, where reading and processing information was involved, that normally took 3 hours. It's those little things that make it that much better for him. I know this kind of measures cost more time, thus more money, but I dont care. Lets say the customer has to pay for 10 more hours on the project, and that while he payed 30 hours less because we were done ahead of time :D (This is a rare ocassion, but it does happen sometimes)

                WM.
                What about weapons of mass-construction?

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                • H homegrown

                  Justin Cobb wrote:

                  I find that I have to be able to make the whole concept as abstract as possible for me to understand it... solid examples are good but often I find them too limiting in a way.

                  too limiting... ? how so?

                  :: have the courage to use your own reason

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                  CodyDaemon
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                  My mind just has a hard time intergrating them into my mental model, as it were. My mind kinda things of lots things at once and from different angles so an abstract view makes it easier for me to 'process' them, since I can came at it from different angles too.

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                    Never noticed that he had much more trouble analysing and using information from the internet or from books. Ok, he was a little slower reading material, but not that much more slower that we could notice it on the schedule or anything. I just made sure he had an hour extra on a task, where reading and processing information was involved, that normally took 3 hours. It's those little things that make it that much better for him. I know this kind of measures cost more time, thus more money, but I dont care. Lets say the customer has to pay for 10 more hours on the project, and that while he payed 30 hours less because we were done ahead of time :D (This is a rare ocassion, but it does happen sometimes)

                    WM.
                    What about weapons of mass-construction?

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                    homegrown
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                    thanks. buffering in extra time does/has helped- but u still have him almost "labouring" through the information each time... so let me pose a fresh challenge :) what if you went a little further, and say, for example.. summarised/filtered/represented the information in such a way that he could comprehend "at normal speed"? what would that process look like .. and.. if that filter process worked well for dyslexia- how effective would it be for everyone else in summarising and understanding .. ? this is all driven by a gut feel that there simply *must* be a better way of doing things where we can all benefit... could be a wild goose chase though, but... it's interesting enough to at least pose the question :)

                    :: have the courage to use your own reason

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                    • C CodyDaemon

                      My mind just has a hard time intergrating them into my mental model, as it were. My mind kinda things of lots things at once and from different angles so an abstract view makes it easier for me to 'process' them, since I can came at it from different angles too.

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                      homegrown
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                      interesting, thanks. and this ability is what makes him valuable to the team cos he can process things 'differently' which is sometimes left field but nonetheless very useful... it's bridging the abstract down to the detail which takes time... but if i understand you correctly, if the abstract is well presented- getting down to detail will be 'easier'?

                      :: have the courage to use your own reason

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