Faster than light universe?
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I hope you saw that I missed a "can't" (was can). :)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I hope you saw that I missed a "can't" (was can).
I didn't notice that at all. :-O But, I still got what you were saying at least.
Jeremy Falcon
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Exactly :) Relativity says that information cannot travel than the speed of light, it says nothing about objects travelling faster than the speed of light (as far as I can remember from my college days). If there are any object that travel faster than the speed of light, we have no way of sensing that they are actually doing so. So it is perfectly plausible to think of a universe that is wider than ~31 light years. Nicola
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Chris Maunder wrote:
11 and 26 dimension versions are really unstable and back backwards compatibility problems, though.
which is why superstring theory has moved onto compactification of dimensions to 10. Bosonic hyperspace of 26 dimensions suffers the problems of tachyon particles with imaginary mass. More current discussions involve supersymetry, dimensional compactification, and M-theory variants. :cool:
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
Bosonic hyperspace of 26 dimensions suffers the problems of tachyon particles with imaginary mass.
but what about the warp drives ?
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But how would we know? :confused:
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I don't know and you don't either. Militant Agnostic
I don't think there is anyway currently to measure the existence of gravitons, nevermind trying to determine if they cross universal boundaries. I have no clue how they plan to figure it out either. The idea behind them, I think, is that they are can be closed strings which can leave the "surface" of the universe, called a brane, and travel to other branes. Open strings attach themselves to the brane thereby remaining within a single universe. I might have that wrong, it's all very new to me and a bit fantastic really.
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Isn't there a theory that gravitrons or something can jump between universes?
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven WrightI'm not sure if it's what you're thinking of, but acording to superstring/m-theories, unlike the other force cariers gravitons should able able to spread energy across the other 6 rolled up dimensions. This leaking would help explain why gravity is so many orders of magnitude weaker than any of the other three forces. THe interesting part is that this is the one prediction that the theories make that could actually be testable. We've only been able to measure gravity down to a resolution of ~1mm, which means the hidden dimensions could be upto that large. If they are, particles in the LHC and high energy cosmic rays would be energetic enough to create ultra low quantum black holes when they collide, thier immediate decay would produce identifyable particle showers that would be detectable by instruments.
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Because when you counted your gravitrons the next morning, you'd be missing a few. :-D
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Heheh. You don't want to run around short a few gravitons, that's for sure. People look at you funny.
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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Exactly :) Relativity says that information cannot travel than the speed of light, it says nothing about objects travelling faster than the speed of light (as far as I can remember from my college days). If there are any object that travel faster than the speed of light, we have no way of sensing that they are actually doing so. So it is perfectly plausible to think of a universe that is wider than ~31 light years. Nicola
DragoNick wrote:
Relativity says that information cannot travel than the speed of light, it says nothing about objects travelling faster than the speed of light (as far as I can remember from my college days). If there are any object that travel faster than the speed of light, we have no way of sensing that they are actually doing so.
And thus was born the concept of a tachyon which has led to much great science fiction! Marc
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
At least it compiled.
It must be right then... I hear that all the time, no syntax error, it must be right... :laugh:
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I hear that all the time, no syntax error, it must be right...
GPF, what GPF? I don't see no steekin' GPF!
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I hear that all the time, no syntax error, it must be right...
GPF, what GPF? I don't see no steekin' GPF!
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
GPF, what GPF? I don't see no steekin' GPF!
"Murphy's law" is really just ignored memory leaks.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
Bosonic hyperspace of 26 dimensions suffers the problems of tachyon particles with imaginary mass.
but what about the warp drives ?
Chris Losinger wrote:
but what about the warp drives ?
Why do you think there is no warp 26?
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I don't think there is anyway currently to measure the existence of gravitons, nevermind trying to determine if they cross universal boundaries. I have no clue how they plan to figure it out either. The idea behind them, I think, is that they are can be closed strings which can leave the "surface" of the universe, called a brane, and travel to other branes. Open strings attach themselves to the brane thereby remaining within a single universe. I might have that wrong, it's all very new to me and a bit fantastic really.
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wrightbrianwelsch wrote:
I don't think there is anyway currently to measure the existence of gravitons, nevermind trying to determine if they cross universal boundaries. I have no clue how they plan to figure it out either.
We're a looooong way from detecting a single graviton, we've yet to detect even the strongest gravity waves that should be passing through our planet. LIGO has proved thier nonpresence down to a contraction/expansion of 10^-20, the current science run is going at the design level of 10^-22, which is the equilant of changing the sun-saturn distance by the diameter of a hydrogen atom. A run carried out at an intermediate sensitivity is undergoing final analysis now (The brute force crunching part was completed about a month ago).
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
Bosonic hyperspace of 26 dimensions suffers the problems of tachyon particles with imaginary mass.
but what about the warp drives ?
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I always preferred the gravity drive from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giants_series[^].
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
Because if the radius of the universe is 90 billion light years but the universe is less than 20 billion years old, then you have to play some games with the term "year" to make the math work.
Ah, lessoned learned. I shouldn't talk astrophysics while my girlfriend is calling me to go get my food at the same time. :-D
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Isn't there a theory that gravitrons or something can jump between universes?
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven WrightFrom what I've read that sounds like some of the brane theories. We live on a 4 dimensional brane in a higher dimensional universe. Most particles we encounter are constrained to the brane and gravity works in the entire multidemnsional space. This is one way to explain why gravity is so weak and we have particles with the masses and interactions that we observe.
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Cheese curds
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It all shows that you need to plan and document, plan and document before you start thinking you can just slap together 26 dimensions and assume it'll all work. Imaginary mass for tachyon particles? Can you say "kludge"? :rolleyes:
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Actually from what I've read, they've found a solution to that problem. I can't remember the details, but I think it involved dual strings. Esentially they were using a bad perterbation. Some of the latest non-string theories can shoehorn all the particles into a 4 dimensional subspace of a 5 dimensional space with exponentially increasing gravity in the 5th dimension. It sounds completely artificial but it does produce a solution with the big gap between the weak and strong scales.
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One of my favorite notions is that science is more philosophy than fact. I mean come on... do we really think that with our limited brain pans that we can accurately calculate the beginning of this space and time we find ourselves in? Fun excercise and may uncover quite a bit of relevant information and useful data, but really, again, we're guessing. I'm fascinated by it though. Taking a look at the assumed view of the grand universe, our own milky way is like a gnat in comparison. When you get to the level of clusters of clusters of galaxies... all of my problems seem pretty insignificant indeed. I think that as science evolves this data will keep changing. As our understanding and technique improves so will the data, but I wonder if we can come up with the correct numbers and if it even matters. But the old number was 14 billion years. Side note: There's a book I'm reading called Programming the Universe[^]. Some very provacative ideas here. Maybe when the quantum computer is optimized it will tell us that we can't know the age or size of the universe as that data itself changes along with our ability to digest the details.
This statement is false.
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
Side note: There's a book I'm reading called Programming the Universe[^].
I just finished it. It was pretty good, I was hoping for a little more meat to the book but it was interesting.
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
Maybe when the quantum computer is optimized it will tell us that we can't know the age or size of the universe as that data itself changes along with our ability to digest the details.
What I got from it was that the universe is a quantum computer and the only quantum computer that can actually predict it has to be the same size or bigger.
Chris S Kaiser wrote:
One of my favorite notions is that science is more philosophy than fact.
I'm not sure I follow. Science is guided by philosopy. The scientific method is essentially based on philosopy. The only question about the facts discovered by science are the error bars. For some things we know them down to 9 or 10 digits others not even one, but generally we keep learning.
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