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espeir wrote:
So then why do you refuse to answer my question?
You must be blind, along with all the rest of your infirmities. Reread my post, the answer is clearly marked.
espeir wrote:
Do you then support Nazis and Muslim Extremists in key positions of our government in the same what that you support Communists in those positions?
A troll question. Get serious.
espeir wrote:
Today liberals make a big deal about it for one reason...They sympathize with the victims...Communists.
Your ignorance of history is truly astounding. His victims were not communists. I am finished with this topic. McCarthy was a little monster and the people whose lives he damaged or destroyed were innocent victims, and you are alone in believing that he is some sort of hero.
espeir wrote:
dennisd45 wrote: Sham election? They gave up power. How is that sham? How can you be so ignorant of recent history? Gave up power? They won in a landslide victory. Kind of like Castro.
Your ignorance of history is astounding - again. Yes, they gave up power.
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
You must be blind, along with all the rest of your infirmities. Reread my post, the answer is clearly marked.
OK, so then you DON'T think Muslim Extremsists should hold government positions, but you DO believe that Communists should? I rest my case.
dennisd45 wrote:
A troll question. Get serious.
Not at all. You believe that it's OK for Communists to hold key government positions because you're a left-wing extremist and agree with their ideology. However, you believe that Nazis and Muslim Extremists should not hold such positions. I, however, believe that neither should hold key positions because I'm a Republican and a defender of democracy.
dennisd45 wrote:
Your ignorance of history is truly astounding. His victims were not communists. I am finished with this topic. McCarthy was a little monster and the people whose lives he damaged or destroyed were innocent victims, and you are alone in believing that he is some sort of hero.
What are you talking about? His "victims" included such noted Communists as Charlie Chaplin. McCarthy never victimized anybody. They victimized themselves by being Communists.
dennisd45 wrote:
Your ignorance of history is astounding - again. Yes, they gave up power.
Yeah, I know...Just like Castro.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
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led mike wrote:
I must be having a moment but I still don't get the point
okay - I guess I'm be obscure. Before I net it out, I need to give some back ground. I grew up a Democrat. My father was a blue collar union steelworker, a committed Democrat. In those days both parties cared deeply about the defense of the country. The differences were marginal, especially in my youth which was immediately post-WWII. In the Veitnam era the Demoract part became nearly violently anti-war and stayed that way for a long time. Carter was the epitome, anti-war and a cowardly leader combined. Clinton for all his moral mishaps brought the Democrat party to the middle where the majority of Americans live - that is why, even with his moral turpitude the majority of the country stood behind him. The Iraq war is bringing the nut job Democrats out of the wood work pushing good men like Leiberman aside. Instead of working with the current administration to bring about a decent out come they're pushing solely for political gain, much like the bemoaned McCathyites (Republicans) did on the push against communism. Lanny Davis is decrying that extremism. Remember, he's a loyal Democrat but a Democrat who lives in the middle and not the extreme left (Dean, Soros, Lamont). Lanny is one of the first to speak up, and that is good. But watch the primaries. If the Democrats continue running to the left, dropping Leiberman in favor of Lamont then you'll see bigger Republican majorities because of the two choices that is the logical place for the middle to go.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced
Mike Gaskey wrote:
The Iraq war is bringing the nut job Democrats out of the wood work pushing good men like Leiberman aside. Instead of working with the current administration to bring about a decent out come they're pushing solely for political gain, much like the bemoaned McCathyites (Republicans) did on the push against communism.
I agree with you, but I think that most democrats believe that the Bush administration can't be trusted and can't be worked-with. While I may disagree with them, given their view of Bush and Republicans in general, I can't blame them for reacting the way they are.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
The Iraq war is bringing the nut job Democrats out of the wood work pushing good men like Leiberman aside. Instead of working with the current administration to bring about a decent out come they're pushing solely for political gain, much like the bemoaned McCathyites (Republicans) did on the push against communism.
I agree with you, but I think that most democrats believe that the Bush administration can't be trusted and can't be worked-with. While I may disagree with them, given their view of Bush and Republicans in general, I can't blame them for reacting the way they are.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
I can't blame them for reacting the way the are.
I can.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
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dennisd45 wrote:
You must be blind, along with all the rest of your infirmities. Reread my post, the answer is clearly marked.
OK, so then you DON'T think Muslim Extremsists should hold government positions, but you DO believe that Communists should? I rest my case.
dennisd45 wrote:
A troll question. Get serious.
Not at all. You believe that it's OK for Communists to hold key government positions because you're a left-wing extremist and agree with their ideology. However, you believe that Nazis and Muslim Extremists should not hold such positions. I, however, believe that neither should hold key positions because I'm a Republican and a defender of democracy.
dennisd45 wrote:
Your ignorance of history is truly astounding. His victims were not communists. I am finished with this topic. McCarthy was a little monster and the people whose lives he damaged or destroyed were innocent victims, and you are alone in believing that he is some sort of hero.
What are you talking about? His "victims" included such noted Communists as Charlie Chaplin. McCarthy never victimized anybody. They victimized themselves by being Communists.
dennisd45 wrote:
Your ignorance of history is astounding - again. Yes, they gave up power.
Yeah, I know...Just like Castro.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
Not a single intelligent word in your entire post. All trolling. Ignorantly attempting to put words in my mouth. Only your stupidity allows you to believe that I said anything about communists in the government.
espeir wrote:
His "victims" included such noted Communists as Charlie Chaplin
The republic is saved!!
espeir wrote:
You believe that it's OK for Communists to hold key government positions because you're a left-wing extremist and agree with their ideology.
Never said any such thing. Troll troll troll.
espeir wrote:
dennisd45 wrote: Your ignorance of history is astounding - again. Yes, they gave up power. Yeah, I know...Just like Castro.
More ignorant trolling. Look it up, asshole. they gave up power after they lost the election
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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Not a single intelligent word in your entire post. All trolling. Ignorantly attempting to put words in my mouth. Only your stupidity allows you to believe that I said anything about communists in the government.
espeir wrote:
His "victims" included such noted Communists as Charlie Chaplin
The republic is saved!!
espeir wrote:
You believe that it's OK for Communists to hold key government positions because you're a left-wing extremist and agree with their ideology.
Never said any such thing. Troll troll troll.
espeir wrote:
dennisd45 wrote: Your ignorance of history is astounding - again. Yes, they gave up power. Yeah, I know...Just like Castro.
More ignorant trolling. Look it up, asshole. they gave up power after they lost the election
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Not a single intelligent word in your entire post. All trolling. Ignorantly attempting to put words in my mouth. Only your stupidity allows you to believe that I said anything about communists in the government.
Well I asked you numerous times whether or not you oppose Communists in key government positions and you refuse to answer, despite giving an answer about Nazis and Muslim Extremists. I'm confident that my inference is correct.
dennisd45 wrote:
The republic is saved!!
Well you keep saying how innocent people were "destroyed". Guess what, those "innocent people" actually WERE communists.
dennisd45 wrote:
Never said any such thing. Troll troll troll.
Then why won't you deny it? You admit that you don't want Nazis or Muslim Extremists in our government. Answer: Because you're a leftist and you support Communism. It's as simple as that.
dennisd45 wrote:
More ignorant trolling. Look it up, asshole. they gave up power after they lost the election
Just like Castro!
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45
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dennisd45 wrote:
Not a single intelligent word in your entire post. All trolling. Ignorantly attempting to put words in my mouth. Only your stupidity allows you to believe that I said anything about communists in the government.
Well I asked you numerous times whether or not you oppose Communists in key government positions and you refuse to answer, despite giving an answer about Nazis and Muslim Extremists. I'm confident that my inference is correct.
dennisd45 wrote:
The republic is saved!!
Well you keep saying how innocent people were "destroyed". Guess what, those "innocent people" actually WERE communists.
dennisd45 wrote:
Never said any such thing. Troll troll troll.
Then why won't you deny it? You admit that you don't want Nazis or Muslim Extremists in our government. Answer: Because you're a leftist and you support Communism. It's as simple as that.
dennisd45 wrote:
More ignorant trolling. Look it up, asshole. they gave up power after they lost the election
Just like Castro!
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45
Respond to this post. I wish to see this subject line again. What a troll. espeir says "Joseph McCarthy was a great man who deserved to be President! Long live Joe McCarthy, long live McCarthyism!"
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
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Respond to this post. I wish to see this subject line again. What a troll. espeir says "Joseph McCarthy was a great man who deserved to be President! Long live Joe McCarthy, long live McCarthyism!"
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Respond to this post. I wish to see this subject line again.
OK.
dennisd45 wrote:
espeir says "Joseph McCarthy was a great man who deserved to be President! Long live Joe McCarthy, long live McCarthyism!"
I never said he was a great man. I said he was a self-serving politician and was harmless. You (and every other leftist) makes a big deal about some guy pointing out Communists ONLY because you are sympathetic to communism. No other reason. Personally, I think McCarthy was a jerk, but there's no shortage of those in the world. So who cares? Answer: Communists. Did you see the new quote I added to my sig?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45
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thealj wrote:
Hey - if you aren't persecuting (ie: killing) them, you're sympathizing with them. Remember McCarthyism? If you can't figure that out, maybe you belong with the left.
I admit I can't figure that out. McCarthy didn't kill anybody, nor did he equate not actively killing Communists to being one....So what's your point? Also note that these types of baseless accusations were what drove McCarthyism. They're regularly employed by the left.
thealj wrote:
Centrally planned economies (read: communism) are self-defeating. There never really was any long-term threat. That is why the policy of mutually assured destruction was so successful. It was simply a waiting game - a wait sufficiently long for any communist state to self-implode. Why do you think China is allowing some free-market principles to encroach upon their beloved communist principles? They know where it's at.
I agree that they're self-defeating, but the world was a different place under USSR-rule. America wanted to ensure that Communism did not take hold here for obvious reasons.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
espeir wrote:
I admit I can't figure that out. McCarthy didn't kill anybody, nor did he equate not actively killing Communists to being one....So what's your point?
My point is that since you are not actively pursuing, persecuting, indicting, fighting, interrogating, (insert whatever McCarthy era tactic you like here) muslim extremists, then you are and Islamic sympathizer. Because of your sympathetic (or apathetic if you like) attitude towards these heinous oppressors of democracy, you are also therefore exhibiting leftist tendencies. How can you claim to be a representative of the right?
espeir wrote:
Also note that these types of baseless accusations were what drove McCarthyism. They're regularly employed by the left.
Are you suggesting McCarthy was a leftist? -- modified at 15:22 Tuesday 8th August, 2006
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I disagree. After all the incompetence and corruption, you'd think most Americans would throw the bums out and vote Democratic. However, the Republicans have gotten very good at winning elections with their sleazy fear-mongering tactics, so it wouldn't surprise me if their majority prevailed.
The Republicans definitely need to be punished for their reckless spending habits, but electing Democrats instead is like shooting yourself in the head because you stubbed your toe.
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
espeir wrote:
The Republicans definitely need to be punished for their reckless spending habits, but electing Democrats instead is like shooting yourself in the head because you stubbed your toe.
B-b-but Clinton... :rolleyes:
Josh: So you have been married twice? You must have been young the first time around. Christian: Yeah, we were young and stupid. I was young, and she was...
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dennisd45 wrote:
Respond to this post. I wish to see this subject line again.
OK.
dennisd45 wrote:
espeir says "Joseph McCarthy was a great man who deserved to be President! Long live Joe McCarthy, long live McCarthyism!"
I never said he was a great man. I said he was a self-serving politician and was harmless. You (and every other leftist) makes a big deal about some guy pointing out Communists ONLY because you are sympathetic to communism. No other reason. Personally, I think McCarthy was a jerk, but there's no shortage of those in the world. So who cares? Answer: Communists. Did you see the new quote I added to my sig?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
So the right is finally driving the left to join them in their abandon of civil discourse
Huh? How is the right "forcing" the left to do anything? In my experience this kind of vitriolic discourse that Mr Davis laments has been going on for more than 25 years, and was started by the left and got into fever pitch when the left lost power in Congress in the 80s. It's been my sad experience that whenever I use logic to pick apart someone's arguments or when I demand that someone support their argument with facts and logic they attack me and raise their voice and use emotion to try to win the argument, rather than using logic. I just had that experience with someone in my family. I see a lot of it on both sides of the political spectrum, but far more on the left than on the right. The left is just in denial.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
Huh? How is the right "forcing" the left to do anything? In my experience this kind of vitriolic discourse that Mr Davis laments has been going on for more than 25 years, and was started by the left and got into fever pitch when the left lost power in Congress in the 80s.
I think your memory is a bit off. You can accuse the Democrats of not stating their position clearly -- or even of not having one in the first place -- but don't even try to claim that the party of Rush, Ann Coulter, O'Reilly, Fox News, Reagan, and that son of a Bush, hasn't had the vitriolic rhetoric market absolutely cornered for years now. It actually started with Reagan and his rants against liberals and liberalism; he and his press people are the ones who demonized a word that Jefferson wore proudly, purely as a marketing ploy to kick the legs out from under the Democratic party. The Democratic party, and liberals who do not want to be associated with the Democrats, have been slow to the fight, and reluctant to stoop to that level; but now, for bad or good, desperation is displacing that reluctance, and some are determined to fight the Republicans on their own ground, with their own weapons.
ahz wrote:
It's been my sad experience that whenever I use logic to pick apart someone's arguments or when I demand that someone support their argument with facts and logic they attack me and raise their voice and use emotion to try to win the argument, rather than using logic. I just had that experience with someone in my family. I see a lot of it on both sides of the political spectrum, but far more on the left than on the right. The left is just in denial.
Neither side has had a monopoly on civility and rational thought, but I think it's safe to say that most people have experienced the exact opposite. In both my public observation and my personal experience, I've found the right will resort to shouting, appealing to emotion (including religious appeals), substituting sophistry for logic (espeir), and indulging in gratuitous personal insult and character assassination long before the left. How many vitriolic right-wing talk radio stations/hosts are there? How many left-wing? Consider why this is the case.
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espeir wrote:
Did you see the new quote I added to my sig?
Sure, I'm glad to see I've gotten to you.:):-D
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
Sure, I'm glad to see I've gotten to you.
When was that, pinko!
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45
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dennisd45 wrote:
Respond to this post. I wish to see this subject line again.
OK.
dennisd45 wrote:
espeir says "Joseph McCarthy was a great man who deserved to be President! Long live Joe McCarthy, long live McCarthyism!"
I never said he was a great man. I said he was a self-serving politician and was harmless. You (and every other leftist) makes a big deal about some guy pointing out Communists ONLY because you are sympathetic to communism. No other reason. Personally, I think McCarthy was a jerk, but there's no shortage of those in the world. So who cares? Answer: Communists. Did you see the new quote I added to my sig?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45 "I fully support Communists in key positions of our government. I believe that they contribute positively to the liberal ideal." -dennisd45
espeir wrote:
some guy pointing out Communists
:laugh:
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Did they? I thought they just trampled rights, ignored the law, and ruined careers by getting people blacklisted, with basically nothing to show for it. I suppose it was worth it to be able to publically grill dangerous communist sympathizers like Charlie Chaplin, Paul Robeson, Arthur Miller, and Aaron Copeland.
So are you saying that you support Communists? What do you think about Nazis?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
espeir wrote:
So are you saying that you support Communists? What do you think about Nazis?
So are you saying that everyone who was dragged in front of McCarthy and his goons was a Communist? And what the hell does "support Communists" mean? And why are you asking about Nazis, now? Are you a Nazi, and you want to know if I approve? Are you a complete idiot? (That last question was rhetorical.)
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espeir wrote:
So are you saying that you support Communists? What do you think about Nazis?
So are you saying that everyone who was dragged in front of McCarthy and his goons was a Communist? And what the hell does "support Communists" mean? And why are you asking about Nazis, now? Are you a Nazi, and you want to know if I approve? Are you a complete idiot? (That last question was rhetorical.)
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espeir wrote:
So are you saying that you support Communists? What do you think about Nazis?
So are you saying that everyone who was dragged in front of McCarthy and his goons was a Communist? And what the hell does "support Communists" mean? And why are you asking about Nazis, now? Are you a Nazi, and you want to know if I approve? Are you a complete idiot? (That last question was rhetorical.)
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Are you a complete idiot? (That last question was rhetorical.
He's a leftist in disguise. While he sits in his armchair and pretends to be on the right, in actuality he is a leftist. He sympathizes with extremists you know.
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Are you a complete idiot? (That last question was rhetorical.
He's a leftist in disguise. While he sits in his armchair and pretends to be on the right, in actuality he is a leftist. He sympathizes with extremists you know.
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He is definitely an extremist.:)
No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn. - Jim Morrison
dennisd45 wrote:
He is definitely an extremist.
But in a good way.
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
What's your point?
my point is that the article was from a committed hard core Democrat criticizing the radical left wing of his own party.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. dennisd45 wrote: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced
As always - that B do it too doesn't make it better for A.
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Did they? I thought they just trampled rights, ignored the law, and ruined careers by getting people blacklisted, with basically nothing to show for it. I suppose it was worth it to be able to publically grill dangerous communist sympathizers like Charlie Chaplin, Paul Robeson, Arthur Miller, and Aaron Copeland.
So are you saying that you support Communists? What do you think about Nazis?
"I curse economic prosperity as it puts an end to much-needed poverty, famine and pestilence." -dennisd45
What the hell.. :wtf: You deserve some kind of award.
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