Is it just me
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I once saw a routine from a junior level programmer (though not to read the 14 degrees and certifications on his resume) that was a replacement for atoi() because he didn't realize it existed. What's even better is that the routine (a couple of screens long) had errors on almost every single line. Really. My only regret is not having printed it out so that I could frame it. No, looking at code like that doesn't make me sick. It makes me feel like an experienced programmer who should be charging more. :-D
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
No, looking at code like that doesn't make me sick. It makes me feel like an experienced programmer who should be charging more.
Lucky dog. If I ever were to work in a shop with the programmer you described, I'd need to keep a barf bag fastened to my face all day.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
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I once saw a routine from a junior level programmer (though not to read the 14 degrees and certifications on his resume) that was a replacement for atoi() because he didn't realize it existed. What's even better is that the routine (a couple of screens long) had errors on almost every single line. Really. My only regret is not having printed it out so that I could frame it. No, looking at code like that doesn't make me sick. It makes me feel like an experienced programmer who should be charging more. :-D
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
atoi()
How do other people pronounce that? Right or wrong, I've gotten used to saying something along the lines of "a-toy" rather than "a-to-i" over the years. I must admit I've gotten some odd looks before. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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No, this little gem was written by a Java "professional" consultant, working for an unnamed consulting firm (you'd probably recognize the firm), who was being billed out at around $180/hour to an unnamed client. It did in fact break the build, and I was less than thrilled to find it, since I was the project lead for that group and he was on my team. We exchanged words.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
No, this little gem was written by a Java "professional" consultant, working for an unnamed consulting firm (you'd probably recognize the firm), who was being billed out at around $180/hour to an unnamed client.
Because usually the people that make those decisions are pay that much haven't a clue as to anything about programming. It's how they present themselves that matter, not whether or not they are actually good at programming. Sad really.
Jeremy Falcon
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No really, it's only you. ;P
Jeremy Falcon
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
atoi()
How do other people pronounce that? Right or wrong, I've gotten used to saying something along the lines of "a-toy" rather than "a-to-i" over the years. I must admit I've gotten some odd looks before. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
How do other people pronounce that?
Ah-too-y - like a non-productive sneeze.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
How do other people pronounce that?
Ah-too-y - like a non-productive sneeze.
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Shog9 wrote:
like a non-productive sneeze.
:laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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or does looking at really stupid code make you feel sick to your stomach, too? X|
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Only when i think i'll be needing to make changes to it. Funny, i was just talking to a co-worker about this very subject earlier. A few years back, we came close to absorbing the care and feeding of a product we'd obtained along with the small company that created it. Too many VB files to count, each one a form, each form stuffed with all the DB access code (including hard-coded IDs, indexes, and actual data) required to make it work. Scary, ugly, sickening stuff.
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I once saw a routine from a junior level programmer (though not to read the 14 degrees and certifications on his resume) that was a replacement for atoi() because he didn't realize it existed. What's even better is that the routine (a couple of screens long) had errors on almost every single line. Really. My only regret is not having printed it out so that I could frame it. No, looking at code like that doesn't make me sick. It makes me feel like an experienced programmer who should be charging more. :-D
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
It makes me feel like an experienced programmer who should be charging more.
Spoken like a true consultant! :) When I started at the consulting firm I used to work at, my project boss walked up to me, took my hand in a hearty handshake, and said, with a big shit-eating-grin on his face, "Welcome to the worlds second oldest profession." I always thought that was funny :)
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Only when i think i'll be needing to make changes to it. Funny, i was just talking to a co-worker about this very subject earlier. A few years back, we came close to absorbing the care and feeding of a product we'd obtained along with the small company that created it. Too many VB files to count, each one a form, each form stuffed with all the DB access code (including hard-coded IDs, indexes, and actual data) required to make it work. Scary, ugly, sickening stuff.
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Shog9 wrote:
including hard-coded IDs, indexes, and actual data
Have you regained your ability to see yet?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
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Shog9 wrote:
including hard-coded IDs, indexes, and actual data
Have you regained your ability to see yet?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
It got worse, but i've blocked those memories. :~
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No really, it's only you. ;P
Jeremy Falcon
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
atoi()
How do other people pronounce that? Right or wrong, I've gotten used to saying something along the lines of "a-toy" rather than "a-to-i" over the years. I must admit I've gotten some odd looks before. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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It got worse, but i've blocked those memories. :~
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Shog9 wrote:
It got worse, but i've blocked those memories.
You can run but you can't hide. Those hard-coded IDs will haunt your dreams, like Freddy Kruger, only worse, cuz they won't kill you. Muahahaha!
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
How do other people pronounce that?
"A-twa" Must be the french I took in high school. (I wasn't very good at it.)
David Kentley wrote:
"A-twa"
I can kinda see that considering "moí" is pronounced similar. Still, I'm sure I wasn't the only one getting funny looks. ;)
Jeremy Falcon
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Josh Smith wrote:
Why me?
Um... um... It's your hair man. I don't why, it just is. :-D
Jeremy Falcon
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Josh Smith wrote:
Why me?
Um... um... It's your hair man. I don't why, it just is. :-D
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Um... um... It's your hair man. I don't why, it just is.
That sounds deep, or something. :laugh:
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Shog9 wrote:
It got worse, but i've blocked those memories.
You can run but you can't hide. Those hard-coded IDs will haunt your dreams, like Freddy Kruger, only worse, cuz they won't kill you. Muahahaha!
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:laugh:
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or does looking at really stupid code make you feel sick to your stomach, too? X|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
Six years back I designed some COM interfaces that provided access to my application, I optimized them based on how I thought they will improve the network performance rather than on how obvious they will be to use. Now when I look back at them they are extremely inconsistent and unfortunately I cannot change them now. Looking at several things I designed or developed in past, I think I have lost the right to complain to other people that their code is bad.:( For Example, I coded a entirely new vector, a new map, a hashtable class , a new serialization mechanism because I did not like the the existing STL classes (in my defense they were buggy in VS6) I thought did not perform better and I did not want to use MFC in my applications. Although I will not say that the code itself was bad for the classes I wrote but at the same time I should have started with the existing classes first and then wrote a complete application instead of starting with a new framework for everything. And I believe that 5 years from now when I will look at the code which I am writing now, I will not be thrilled.
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Six years back I designed some COM interfaces that provided access to my application, I optimized them based on how I thought they will improve the network performance rather than on how obvious they will be to use. Now when I look back at them they are extremely inconsistent and unfortunately I cannot change them now. Looking at several things I designed or developed in past, I think I have lost the right to complain to other people that their code is bad.:( For Example, I coded a entirely new vector, a new map, a hashtable class , a new serialization mechanism because I did not like the the existing STL classes (in my defense they were buggy in VS6) I thought did not perform better and I did not want to use MFC in my applications. Although I will not say that the code itself was bad for the classes I wrote but at the same time I should have started with the existing classes first and then wrote a complete application instead of starting with a new framework for everything. And I believe that 5 years from now when I will look at the code which I am writing now, I will not be thrilled.
Yeah, but I'm not talking about "philosophical impurity." I mean, nasty, ugly, stupid code that makes no damn sense at all. Somewhere in this thread I posted an example of the garbage I'm talking about. :-D
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
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I once saw a routine from a junior level programmer (though not to read the 14 degrees and certifications on his resume) that was a replacement for atoi() because he didn't realize it existed. What's even better is that the routine (a couple of screens long) had errors on almost every single line. Really. My only regret is not having printed it out so that I could frame it. No, looking at code like that doesn't make me sick. It makes me feel like an experienced programmer who should be charging more. :-D
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalStrategyConsulting.com