How and when you tell your boss you're looking for a new job?
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Agree most your comments except...
Marc Clifton wrote:
Debugging the process isn't just about firing up the debugger, you know. It's about looking in the mirror and asking, "what's wrong with me???"
This is correct for computing but is not necessarily always correct for a human being in terms of job satisfaction. Perhaps he was happy yesterday but today he is in a rut, perhaps "down in the dumps", but tomorrow he may be again happy. This is the variety which sums-up human life. What might be better questions are "what do I want from this life ? what are my ambitions - short term, medium term and long term ? and how am I going to get there - what must I do to realise my ambitions ? ".
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
What might be better questions are "what do I want from this life ? what are my ambitions - short term, medium term and long term ? and how am I going to get there - what must I do to realise my ambitions ? ".
I agree, though part of the subtle sarcasm (at least I think so) of my response is that often, we are told that the problem is with "us", not with something/somebody else. It seems to be a thing of today's pop culture, that other people are fine, we have to figure out what's wrong with us in order to coexist peacefully and work in harmony. It's a perspective that has value but I feel has been pushed too far. Maybe I'm just burnt out on it though, as my ex-wife would always tell me the problem wasn't with her, it was with me. One could argue she was right, as I couldn't figure out a solution to "my" problem, so I solved it by divorcing her. Marc
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too much daily WTF for someone...
Anton Afanasyev wrote:
too much daily WTF for someone...
Maybe it's enough for him, but way too much for me :-D
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Hello there The job i'm in today is really getting boring, so I think i need a change and i'm looking for a new job, actually the last week I went to a interview, and I'm waiting for them to give a call...:laugh:. I talk to my boss about this one and it seems not to be the better. Now he is thinking (:~ I suppose) not to give me new proyects. Why I'm thinking that?.. well, by now I was about to finish a project, and yesterday he ask me to give that project to another person here in the company. Do you think i was wrong on tellin' my boss about this interview? eLFeR
And then you went and posted it all on a public forum, showing no respect... Bad move mate.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Debugging the process isn't just about firing up the debugger, you know. It's about looking in the mirror and asking, "what's wrong with me???"
Sig material alert!
HollyHooo wrote:
Marc Clifton wrote: Debugging the process isn't just about firing up the debugger, you know. It's about looking in the mirror and asking, "what's wrong with me???"
:laugh:
HollyHooo wrote:
Sig material alert!
Totally :)
too much daily WTF for someone... - Anton Afanasyev
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Agree most your comments except...
Marc Clifton wrote:
Debugging the process isn't just about firing up the debugger, you know. It's about looking in the mirror and asking, "what's wrong with me???"
This is correct for computing but is not necessarily always correct for a human being in terms of job satisfaction. Perhaps he was happy yesterday but today he is in a rut, perhaps "down in the dumps", but tomorrow he may be again happy. This is the variety which sums-up human life. What might be better questions are "what do I want from this life ? what are my ambitions - short term, medium term and long term ? and how am I going to get there - what must I do to realise my ambitions ? ".
Disagree with:
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Perhaps he was happy yesterday but today he is in a rut, perhaps "down in the dumps", but tomorrow he may be again happy.
He already went on a job interview... unlikely caused by a couple of days down. Agreed with the rest though.
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You really need to learn how to be rude with style. Marc
Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
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1. you're an idiot 2. you're an idiot 3. you're an idiot if you don't get that job, your kinda of.. screwed and an idiot idiot. -- modified at 18:17 Tuesday 15th August, 2006
You don't see a WTF in spawning hundreds of threads ?? Or using code found on places like codeproject.com in production applications ... Code that is most likely untested, or barely test, more often than not, not made by reputable developers/development groups/etc ?? .... Wow ...
Bah! "You're", not "your"...
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
What might be better questions are "what do I want from this life ? what are my ambitions - short term, medium term and long term ? and how am I going to get there - what must I do to realise my ambitions ? ".
I agree, though part of the subtle sarcasm (at least I think so) of my response is that often, we are told that the problem is with "us", not with something/somebody else. It seems to be a thing of today's pop culture, that other people are fine, we have to figure out what's wrong with us in order to coexist peacefully and work in harmony. It's a perspective that has value but I feel has been pushed too far. Maybe I'm just burnt out on it though, as my ex-wife would always tell me the problem wasn't with her, it was with me. One could argue she was right, as I couldn't figure out a solution to "my" problem, so I solved it by divorcing her. Marc
Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmerMarc Clifton wrote:
we have to figure out what's wrong with us in order to coexist peacefully and work in harmony
Perhaps somebody like an ex-naval serviceman could provide a solution there. I am told that because of the confined areas aboard a warship (living space etc) that if you don't coexist peacefully and work in harmony then the ship cannot function efficiently which could cause death and self-destruction.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
we have to figure out what's wrong with us in order to coexist peacefully and work in harmony
Perhaps somebody like an ex-naval serviceman could provide a solution there. I am told that because of the confined areas aboard a warship (living space etc) that if you don't coexist peacefully and work in harmony then the ship cannot function efficiently which could cause death and self-destruction.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
that if you don't coexist peacefully and work in harmony then the ship cannot function efficiently which could cause death and self-destruction.
That is a very good point. And I suppose, the very core of the reason that I couldn't ever imagine being in the service, as I also consider myself barely capable of working in many groups. Marc
Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer -
Hello there The job i'm in today is really getting boring, so I think i need a change and i'm looking for a new job, actually the last week I went to a interview, and I'm waiting for them to give a call...:laugh:. I talk to my boss about this one and it seems not to be the better. Now he is thinking (:~ I suppose) not to give me new proyects. Why I'm thinking that?.. well, by now I was about to finish a project, and yesterday he ask me to give that project to another person here in the company. Do you think i was wrong on tellin' my boss about this interview? eLFeR
eLFeRNaNDiTo wrote:
Do you think i was wrong on tellin' my boss about this interview?
Gee - I don't know.... Plainly, that was a dumb move. What if you don't get the job ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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And then you went and posted it all on a public forum, showing no respect... Bad move mate.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
Yeah, that did not occur to me. I've never had a bad job, but if I did, I would suck it down, or quit. If it's so bad, don't go. If you want them to pay you, give it your best and respect it.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Hello there The job i'm in today is really getting boring, so I think i need a change and i'm looking for a new job, actually the last week I went to a interview, and I'm waiting for them to give a call...:laugh:. I talk to my boss about this one and it seems not to be the better. Now he is thinking (:~ I suppose) not to give me new proyects. Why I'm thinking that?.. well, by now I was about to finish a project, and yesterday he ask me to give that project to another person here in the company. Do you think i was wrong on tellin' my boss about this interview? eLFeR
eLFeRNaNDiTo wrote:
Do you think i was wrong on tellin' my boss about this interview?
Yes.
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led mike wrote:
leckey wrote: Nahumina? qué?
Who to the what now?
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is standard.
A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." -- Stephen Crane
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Two weeks before your next job starts
Two weeks? I think it depends on your notice period. One month is standard notice period in the UK.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
What might be better questions are "what do I want from this life ? what are my ambitions - short term, medium term and long term ? and how am I going to get there - what must I do to realise my ambitions ? ".
I agree, though part of the subtle sarcasm (at least I think so) of my response is that often, we are told that the problem is with "us", not with something/somebody else. It seems to be a thing of today's pop culture, that other people are fine, we have to figure out what's wrong with us in order to coexist peacefully and work in harmony. It's a perspective that has value but I feel has been pushed too far. Maybe I'm just burnt out on it though, as my ex-wife would always tell me the problem wasn't with her, it was with me. One could argue she was right, as I couldn't figure out a solution to "my" problem, so I solved it by divorcing her. Marc
Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmerMarc Clifton wrote:
It seems to be a thing of today's pop culture, that other people are fine, we have to figure out what's wrong with us in order to coexist peacefully and work in harmony. It's a perspective that has value but I feel has been pushed too far.
Glad there are people who think outside the box.
Marc Clifton wrote:
One could argue she was right, as I couldn't figure out a solution to "my" problem, so I solved it by divorcing her.
Sorry to hear that. I resolved my problem by being accomodating. It's not about right or wrong. It's just how bad you want that person.
Norman Fung
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Hello there The job i'm in today is really getting boring, so I think i need a change and i'm looking for a new job, actually the last week I went to a interview, and I'm waiting for them to give a call...:laugh:. I talk to my boss about this one and it seems not to be the better. Now he is thinking (:~ I suppose) not to give me new proyects. Why I'm thinking that?.. well, by now I was about to finish a project, and yesterday he ask me to give that project to another person here in the company. Do you think i was wrong on tellin' my boss about this interview? eLFeR
Really bad move. I will be handing my notice in this Friday. Because i am going back to education i have known for sure that i would be leaving (and the date) for about the last 3 months. I have known i would probably be going since about Christmas but have i told anyone at work yet? Have i hell. Yes i feel a bit guilty about keeping quiet and just giving minimum notice (which will really drop my employer in it with a very important project) but i have no doubt that its the correct thing to do (for me and my family at least, not for my employer though). I dont know what the reaction will be on Friday. Given whats at stake he will either cry or scream and i have no doubt that i dont want to be around for the month after (fortunatley i will be on customers sites for most of my notice so i wont have to be around the office too much). Would i have told him Chrismas that i was probably leaving in September? Yea right. You have basically just quit. Only now its up to your boss when you go. Also untill you go you will not be trusted, if you think its boring now just wait for a couple more weeks. Jon
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Marc Clifton wrote:
It seems to be a thing of today's pop culture, that other people are fine, we have to figure out what's wrong with us in order to coexist peacefully and work in harmony. It's a perspective that has value but I feel has been pushed too far.
Glad there are people who think outside the box.
Marc Clifton wrote:
One could argue she was right, as I couldn't figure out a solution to "my" problem, so I solved it by divorcing her.
Sorry to hear that. I resolved my problem by being accomodating. It's not about right or wrong. It's just how bad you want that person.
Norman Fung
norm wrote:
Sorry to hear that. I resolved my problem by being accomodating. It's not about right or wrong. It's just how bad you want that person.
I agree, divorce sucks. But don't get the impression that I didn't try very hard for a very long time to see her perspective, and to try and be accomodating. I bent over backwards to accomodate, and all I got was more criticism, complaints, and condemnation. There was no reciprocation. In the end, it wasn't how bad I want that person, it was how bad I want to get away from that person. Marc
Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer -
norm wrote:
Sorry to hear that. I resolved my problem by being accomodating. It's not about right or wrong. It's just how bad you want that person.
I agree, divorce sucks. But don't get the impression that I didn't try very hard for a very long time to see her perspective, and to try and be accomodating. I bent over backwards to accomodate, and all I got was more criticism, complaints, and condemnation. There was no reciprocation. In the end, it wasn't how bad I want that person, it was how bad I want to get away from that person. Marc
Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmerMarc Clifton wrote:
I agree, divorce sucks. But don't get the impression that I didn't try very hard for a very long time ... In the end, it wasn't how bad I want that person, it was how bad I want to get away from that person.
Perhaps sometimes you just need to get lucky...
Norman Fung
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??? :~