Software development for Vista

Jeremy Falcon

Chris Maunder wrote:

or do you not see there will be any difference (for you)

It tends to be every job I land one way or another doesn't care about "fancy UI" stuff. I had one boss that got upset for the programmers making icons for the app for crying out loud. So, unless work takes me there, I doubt I'll use too much of it. Of course, I haven't played with the beta, that may all change once I install it.

Jeremy Falcon

Jeremy Falcon

Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

I have 10 years developing in Vista how about you

LMAO!

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Paul Conrad

Chris Maunder wrote:

How are you guys feeling about software development in Vista?

Going to look into it a bit more.

Chris Maunder wrote:

do you not see there will be any difference (for you)?

Not really since many of my clients are slow to adopting new technology :suss: So any Vista stuff is primarily R&D now and will show clients what they are missing out.

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Chris Losinger

indifferent i've avoided looking at it, except for a couple of hours screwing around with one of the early betas. but of course, i'm not the type get excited about new tech.

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Looking forward to it with a mixture of annoyance and lukewarm interest. Annoyance that I might have to modify some of our existing apps and lukewarm interest because it seems to have a cooler ui but aside from that I know nothing about it and don't care to until it becomes more of a reality. Judging from all the changed dates and features I keep hearing about (mostly here) I decided a long time ago it's a waste of time and utterly unproductive to even look at it until it's extremely close to release.

Marc Clifton

Chris Maunder wrote:

or do you not see there will be any difference (for you)?

Basically, as far as my clients are concerned, I don't see any immediate migration (or even interest) in Vista, so on that front there's really no difference. As Michael said, .NET 3.0 is more what I'm interested in than Vista itself. Personally (meaning as a consultant needing to maintain a business), I'm going to look at Vista and .NET 3.0 and C# 3.0 more from the perspective of, what are the critical things to learn, and what will make for interesting articles, beyond what I expect others to write about--a drove of articles on WCF, WWF, Linq, XAML, etc. I like to investigate the fringe more than the mainstream stuff. But first, my focus is getting my head wrapped around some of the new stuff in SQL 2005, as I already feel behind the curve there, and I need to change my XPressTier schema editor to cover the new schema container and xml data type stuff, which is very cool. Marc

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Dan Neely

Michael P Butler wrote:

Though because I'll be supporting Win2k and WinXP for the next few years, I'm not sure how much of Vista I'll be able to take advantage of.

My current project requires supporting NT4 X| , so I know exactly how much vista I'll be able to take advantage of in the near/mid term.

J Dunlap

WCF - Sounds very interesting but haven't gotten much chance to play around with it yet. CardSpace - Seems cool from what I've seen! WWF: Interesting but atm I don't have a lot of use for it. WPF - Could have been good but they botched it. Don't get me started again... ;-P The only redeeming thing for me would be if they officially supported the unmanaged raw functionality of the media layer - i.e. milcore. Then I would actually be excited. WinFX - Why, oh why, did it not make it in?? :sigh: All in all: There are some neat things that I am definitely looking forward to, but overall I am not that excited from a dev POV. On the graphics/UI side of things I am really disappointed. No public hardware-accelerated immediate-mode API, and a bloated retained-mode system - what were they thinking?? GDI is archaic, GDI+ is slow, non h/w accelerated, and basically dead. What are people who want more control over their graphics going to do? From a user POV there are a lot of cool things that will make Vista so much nicer to work with. :cool: I'd like to upgrade when it comes out but I don't know if I can afford to upgrade due to RAM requirements.

Chris Losinger

WCF, WWF, WPF, WFX problem #1 - the common names for all of their technologies du jour are indistinguishable. acronyms suck. -- modified at 17:30 Thursday 17th August, 2006

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led mike

Chris Maunder wrote:

How are you guys feeling about software development in Vista?

Can I get a Certificate for it? What's Vista? :zzz:

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led mike

I thought Vista was WWW? :confused: :laugh:

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peterchen

Not really looking forward. Inductive User interface seems nice, but not when you have several dozen interdependent settings and hundreds of result values. Changes focus on looks, which means my app will look old. Few things that really look interesting - i.e. make it really better for the customer, or at least my job easier. I'd love to spend some "quality time" brushing up the UI, but I don't see any benefit in rewriting it. I'd love to play with WinFx, but I stil hate hat haTE HATE XML. Some existing code, and some libraries will not run on Vista. "Only signed drivers" may pose a significant hassle for a small company like us (unless I can convince TPTB that it's cheaper to get it done by a provider.) Another system to test on - well, I didn't think "no Windows 98" would last long. What once was the best resource for learning the new stuff - MSDN - doesn't work for me any longer. Maybe this all sounds a little bit reactionary? I'm not. I just feel that there's to much energy going into "throwing away the old stuff and start new - the right way this time", instead of fixing the real things.

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Shog9 0

Here's the thing: for my employer, i have to remember that the actual people who'll be using it will likely be on Win2000-based Citrix servers for the foreseeable future. So it's kinda pointless to worry about pulling Vista stuff into those apps, since by the time it becomes a possibility things will have shaken out to where the good bits will be obvious. For my own stuff, i could potentially see using WPF for easy 3D at some point. Less likely for anything else; my tools tend toward either command line apps (or GUI apps that host their own "console" for output), or Explorer-style apps, and neither one really gives me any trouble as-is. As for the "new paradigms"... I hate to sound negative, but this isn't something we're gonna get with a OS. If anyone at MS is really coming up with new paradigms for HCI, software dev, or anything else (and i'm sure they are, somewhere) i doubt we'll see it in Vista. Some new version of .NET maybe. Office, sure. But Windows? Naw. Anyone who saw that new filesystem thing crash and burn has got to realize that MS has no one with vision in a position where they can actually influence Windows. It'll be a release like any other, a little bit prettier, a little bit slower, a little bit more secure, a whole lot bigger.

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Joe Woodbury

Considering that it is only now that I can write XP minimum code, I'm not sure it makes that much difference.

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Michael Dunn

I've been doing dev in Vista b2 every day for a month now, and the only thing that's radically different from previouses OSes is IE protected mode. Protected mode is a major PITA, though. (That reminds me, I need to file a bug on shared memory not working right with protected mode enabled....)

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Christian Graus

I'm stoked about WPF, I'm already playing with it a bit and loving it. I admit to not even opening the Indigo book I bought, life is too busy.

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Shog9 0

Chris Losinger wrote:

acronyms suck.

Yup. And those aren't even acronyms. They're plain old initials. Is it a bad sign, when someone doesn't even care enough about their product to give it a real name?

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Hans Dietrich

I'm concerned about the UAC stuff. I tested one app that uses Inno Setup and it crashed when run from the install, but is fine when run from explorer.

Nemanja Trifunovic

Chris Maunder wrote:

Are you guys looking forward to it, dreading it, jumping ship to Linux because of it, or do you not see there will be any difference (for you)?

I am already on Linux 90% of the time, and suffering it :) As for Vista, my only hope is that it will force my boss to stop installing the client-side dll into System32 directory. As for WPF and "the new paradigms", I think I'll pass on it.

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Chris Losinger

Shog9 wrote:

Is it a bad sign, when someone doesn't even care enough about their product to give it a real name?

i agree, and my original comment said something to that effect. but then i thought about MFC, STL, C, C++, etc.. those don't have interesting names... but i guess the big difference is that we didn't get all those things at once - we got them over time. here, MS is dropping a half-dozen new things, with similar meaningless names. it doesn't pique my interest; just the opposite, it adds confusion, which makes me avoid the whole mess.

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