You Americans are obsessed with guns. What is it, Penis envy?
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What harm does it do to have the means and opportunity, when i dont have the desire to go shoot people?
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
What harm does it do to have the means and opportunity
What harm indeed ... Report by Julian Borger, Washington, Wednesday March 22, 2006 in The Guardian. Reference [^] A child is killed by a gun every three hours in America. According to the latest statistics, nearly 1,000 children under 19 are shot dead every year. Another 800 use guns to commit suicide, and more than 160 die in firearm accidents. Forty per cent of American households own guns, but those guns are 22 times more likely to be involved in an accidental shooting, or 11 times more likely to be used in a suicide, than in self-defence. On average, more than 80 Americans are killed by gunfire every day.
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espeir wrote:
That's not true. The argument that we are entitled to self-defense from crime is perfectly sensible. If your wife were raped, I'm sure you would wish that she had a gun on her at the time.
Most rapists don't announce their plan, they catch their victims unawares. Most women who have a weapon aren't able to use it when they are raped. A far more better protection is art of self-defence.
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ihoecken wrote:
Most women who have a weapon aren't able to use it when they are raped. A far more better protection is art of self-defence.
Indeed. A gun is only good if you have enough time to spot the danger, get the gun out and conjure up enough courage to use it. If you don't, the risk of being overpowered and killed is very high. There are many simple and effective techniques for disabling (at least temporarily) an attacker. It just requires some practice. :)
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People who pull a gun on a crook often have it turned on them. And, what's wrong with mace ?
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Mace is just as bad as guns. If you don't have the time to spot the danger and find the damn spray can, you're toast. Fists, fingers, nails and feet are the best tools for stopping an attack.
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Yeah, well...They sucked.
No, it's you who don't know what you're talking about. As usual. :)
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Mace is just as bad as guns. If you don't have the time to spot the danger and find the damn spray can, you're toast. Fists, fingers, nails and feet are the best tools for stopping an attack.
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Yeah, nothing beats a good kick in the balls. My point was just that a woman doesn't need a gun to protect herself. I've read of innocent men being shot by scared women because they were walking on the same street late at night.
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fat_boy wrote:
There is no excuse in a modern, civilised, society for any weapon other than a target, or hunting weapon.
well if it isn't the Oracle of all that is civilized. I have mine as a last bastion of protection against bomb vest wearing religous fanatics and the Clintonites.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
ROTFL - got my 5
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Yeah, nothing beats a good kick in the balls. My point was just that a woman doesn't need a gun to protect herself. I've read of innocent men being shot by scared women because they were walking on the same street late at night.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yeah, nothing beats a good kick in the balls.
There are far more painful (at least momentarily) things to do to an attacker... There are plenty of nerves on your neck, that are quite pain generators. ;)
Christian Graus wrote:
My point was just that a woman doesn't need a gun to protect herself. I've read of innocent men being shot by scared women because they were walking on the same street late at night.
Man, I'd be so pissed if someone shot me just because I was out when it's dark. I'd muster all my energy to bitch slap her before I'd exhale my last breath.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yeah, nothing beats a good kick in the balls.
There are far more painful (at least momentarily) things to do to an attacker... There are plenty of nerves on your neck, that are quite pain generators. ;)
Christian Graus wrote:
My point was just that a woman doesn't need a gun to protect herself. I've read of innocent men being shot by scared women because they were walking on the same street late at night.
Man, I'd be so pissed if someone shot me just because I was out when it's dark. I'd muster all my energy to bitch slap her before I'd exhale my last breath.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
There are far more painful (at least momentarily) things to do to an attacker... There are plenty of nerves on your neck, that are quite pain generators.
I have heard one of the best is a punch at an upward angle right under the nose. is that true?
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
There are far more painful (at least momentarily) things to do to an attacker... There are plenty of nerves on your neck, that are quite pain generators.
I have heard one of the best is a punch at an upward angle right under the nose. is that true?
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
Sufficiently hard, it'll break the nose. It is however not necessary to hit that hard. Try slapping yourself on the nose with the back of your hand/fingers. Do it gently, ok? ;) Apply just a little more force, and your eyes will become teary - which is obviously a nice side effect. There are three pressure points (which I know of) on the front side of the neck. There is nothing magic about these points - under the skin at these locations, there are sensitive nerves. Slightly below and to the side of your adam's apple (both sides, symetrically), there are two really painful pressure points. Just press with your finger tips (gently!), and you'll find them. A strong thumb in those areas will make ANYONE grabbing you, let go. There's also one below the adam's apple, just above where the collar bones meet. It is not advisable to strike anyone too hard there, because you can easily miss and break the adam's apple (death by suffocation). Then there are two more pressure points on the backside of the neck. These are pure "knockout" points. These are hard to find by yourself, but you can try hitting yourself with the side of your hand. The points are roughly on the same level as the bottomside of your jaw bone. Also, if you're ever going to kick someone in the groin - don't kick too hard. For some reason, if you smash the good old glockenspiel, the pain isn't so great. The best effect is given by "whip kicking". Think of "whip kicking" as cracking a whip. You let the upside of your foot smack into the aggressor's balls just like the end of a whip. Hurts plenty. :eek:
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Sufficiently hard, it'll break the nose. It is however not necessary to hit that hard. Try slapping yourself on the nose with the back of your hand/fingers. Do it gently, ok? ;) Apply just a little more force, and your eyes will become teary - which is obviously a nice side effect. There are three pressure points (which I know of) on the front side of the neck. There is nothing magic about these points - under the skin at these locations, there are sensitive nerves. Slightly below and to the side of your adam's apple (both sides, symetrically), there are two really painful pressure points. Just press with your finger tips (gently!), and you'll find them. A strong thumb in those areas will make ANYONE grabbing you, let go. There's also one below the adam's apple, just above where the collar bones meet. It is not advisable to strike anyone too hard there, because you can easily miss and break the adam's apple (death by suffocation). Then there are two more pressure points on the backside of the neck. These are pure "knockout" points. These are hard to find by yourself, but you can try hitting yourself with the side of your hand. The points are roughly on the same level as the bottomside of your jaw bone. Also, if you're ever going to kick someone in the groin - don't kick too hard. For some reason, if you smash the good old glockenspiel, the pain isn't so great. The best effect is given by "whip kicking". Think of "whip kicking" as cracking a whip. You let the upside of your foot smack into the aggressor's balls just like the end of a whip. Hurts plenty. :eek:
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That is interesting. Thanks.
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
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leckey wrote:
I don't understand why people horde guns and have their own arsenal.
I drive through waco quite often...
leckey wrote:
stop putting us all in one category!
I think the thing is, we're bombarded by US media, it's only natural for people to think they have the right to apply blanket stereotypes. Not saying that it's right, tho.
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yes, and all Aussies wear Akubras, carry large knives, drink nothing but Fosters and cook a lot of shrimp on the grill. ;P
I assume you mean put another prawn on the barbie ? We don't eat shrimp, nor do we have a grill, except on the front of our car.
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I assume you mean put another prawn on the barbie ? We don't eat shrimp, nor do we have a grill, except on the front of our car.
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My friends in Australia always called it the Weber (the grill). I was trying to make it more "legible" for everyone. :)
Your friends are yuppies. A Weber is totally different to a BBQ. All you need is a sheet of rusty metal, some old bricks and a fire.
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Your friends are yuppies. A Weber is totally different to a BBQ. All you need is a sheet of rusty metal, some old bricks and a fire.
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Totally not yuppies. Hugh came from England after WWII and Patricia grew up on a sheep farm. This was in the Victoria area so I don't know if that affects what term to use. I know outside of Melbourne no one used "grouse" as a term for cool. But Hugh and Patricia are the most down to earth people I know. I'd go to the ends of the Earth for them. They are like second parents. They are the ones I plan to visit next year.
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Totally not yuppies. Hugh came from England after WWII and Patricia grew up on a sheep farm. This was in the Victoria area so I don't know if that affects what term to use. I know outside of Melbourne no one used "grouse" as a term for cool. But Hugh and Patricia are the most down to earth people I know. I'd go to the ends of the Earth for them. They are like second parents. They are the ones I plan to visit next year.
Maybe they just have a Weber then. It's a brand name.
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leckey wrote:
I don't think you need a 9mm to shoot a duck.
If you can hit a flying duck with a 9mm pistol, you're a damn good shot, though (and you have every right to brag about it)...
leckey wrote:
You can own a shotgun or rifle if you prove you have had a hunting license in the last five years.
What good is a hunting license if you don't have a gun with which to hunt? I assume your five-year grace period would be used to prove that you know how to handle a rifle or shotgun, but since you can't own one of those until the end of the "grace period", the only thing you've proven is that you've out-lasted the regulating entity and deserve to now own a rifle or shoitgun simply because you're patient.
leckey wrote:
No one should be allowed to own more than 2 handguns. Why? Because if there was a revolution you only have 2 hands.
Hmmm, clevere, but bad idea. During a revolution, you would probably loose one or more weapons during the obviously intense fighting. Simply giving up and gong home because you happen to lose track of both your handguns isn't good for your buddies in the trenches. Being a revolutionary, you would probably strip the weapons and ammo off the dead guy next to you (or even an enemy soldier) and continue fighting. Besides that, if you TOOK someone else's weapon, it wouldn't technically be yours because someone else already owns it.
leckey wrote:
I don't understand why people horde guns and have their own arsenal. I don't understand the joy of shooting targets, animals or anything else.
That's because you're a girl, and guns are man things, and men don't expect girls to understand man things. Men don't understand the joy women obviously experience when they're cooking or doing laundry or cleaning the house. Those are girl things, and girls don't expect men to understand those things. Life was much easier when we lived in caves. Men and women knew their place in the natural order of things - men carried the weapons and women carried the children. -- modified at 13:52 Thursday 24th August, 2006
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
What good is a hunting license if you don't have a gun with which to hunt? I assume your five-year grace period would be used to prove that you know how to handle a rifle or shotgun, but since you can't own one of those until the end of the "grace period", the only thing you've proven is that you've out-lasted the regulating entity and deserve to now own a rifle or shoitgun simply because you're patient.
Yeah, I didn't see the logic in that one, either.
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ihoecken wrote:
Most women who have a weapon aren't able to use it when they are raped. A far more better protection is art of self-defence.
Indeed. A gun is only good if you have enough time to spot the danger, get the gun out and conjure up enough courage to use it. If you don't, the risk of being overpowered and killed is very high. There are many simple and effective techniques for disabling (at least temporarily) an attacker. It just requires some practice. :)
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
conjure up enough courage to use it
Which is why most training courses hammer into people that once they draw the gun, they fire it. And when they start firing, they don't stop until it is empty.
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First, I do not own any guns. Just never found hunting fun. Where I live, we need people to hunt the land. Otherwise there would be too many deer, cougars, turkeys, geese...you name it. However, I don't think you need a 9mm to shoot a duck. I think that yes, we have the right to bear arms, but here is what I think the restrictions should be: 1. You can own a shotgun or rifle if you prove you have had a hunting license in the last five years. 2. No one should be allowed to own more than 2 handguns. Why? Because if there was a revolution you only have 2 hands. More than that is overkill. (Pun intended.) I don't understand why people horde guns and have their own arsenal. I don't understand the joy of shooting targets, animals or anything else. So while I agree with you to a certain extent, stop putting us all in one category! :-D
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leckey wrote:
I think that yes, we have the right to bear arms...
Did you write that Simpsons episode or did you mean bare?
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