You Americans are obsessed with guns. What is it, Penis envy?
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You have to remember that the 2nd amendment was only a prohibition upon the federal government. Under Jeffersonian principles, state and local governments could exercise gun control all they liked and have frequently done so. But as I said below, guns, like cars, are such an instrinsic part of our culture, it is going to be virtually impossible to get rid of them to any meaningful extent.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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fat_boy wrote:
And if you think owning a gun is defence against a tyranical run army well, unless you have tanks and helicopters too you arte totally out matched.
Tell that to the insurgents in Iraq...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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My 5. No enemy is as difficult for a traditional Army to combat as is an armed indigenous insurgency. Nukes, ballistic missiles, tanks,helicopters, and heavy artillery are little help.
Rob Graham wrote:
are little help
What crap. OK, I'll give you an assult rifle, put you in an urban environment, and then blow it to shit with hellfires and artillery. Then I'll send in the tanks. Follwed by troops. Think you're going to survive? Fight back? Win? Bollocks are you.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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The soviets lost to the guerilla force in Afganistan.
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
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fat_boy wrote:
The wild west has finished guys. Didnt anyone tell you?
Look, buddy. You don't live here. You aren't the one who has to be worried about getting car-jacked by a shotgun-wielding meth addict. Why not leave the self-satisfied ranting to those of us who do?
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Shog9 wrote:
worried about getting car-jacked by a shotgun-wielding meth addict.
And have you ever seen a shotgun wielding meth adict? Ever seen one car jacking? Perhaps a car ahead of, or behind you in the traffic? Do you think you will ever see one? Ever be car jacked?
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
I suppose you will be lumping together all those "illegal" Mexicans and blaming them for all the ills of you Americans
Did he say anything about the illegal (notice i didnt use quotation marks because they ARE here illegaly) mexicans, you idiot? Several times a year here in Arkansas there will be an news story about a meth "lab" that has been busted. Meth makes makes people into strange zombie-like creatures that are willing to do anything to get their drugs. And most of the time it doesnt have anything to do with any particular racial group.
A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. - Sigmund Freud
Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
Meth makes makes people into strange zombie-like creatures that are willing to do anything to get their drugs
Ha ha ha! Where the fuck did you hear that crap! You been sitting on daddys knee listening to monster stories again? Listen kiddy, and listen well. I've taken speed (meth) plenty of times. You talk, you dance, you stay up all night, have a laugh, and probably talk too much. Then you go to sleep for 2 days. Thats it. Its nothing. Shit, it used to be legal till the 60's.
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Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
Meth makes makes people into strange zombie-like creatures that are willing to do anything to get their drugs.
They're also really annoying conversationalists. I mean, i thought potheads were bad, but at least potheads just waste a lot of time stating the obvious and laughing about it. Methheads don't seem to even bother noticing the obvious, they just keep talking, a mile a minute, about whatever pops into their heads. It's no wonder they have such a reputation for violence - they probably need to start shooting or brawling every now and then, just to give their jaws a rest... (yeah, there are a lot of drug users around out here)
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Shog9 wrote:
It's no wonder they have such a reputation for violence
What utter crap. If you havent tried speed you dont know what you are talking about and should not venture your ignorant opinions.
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Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
I am glad you are not in a position of authority.
You go 16 year old boy.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
In this case, it is not penis envy but Rambo envy ;)
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Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
Meth makes makes people into strange zombie-like creatures that are willing to do anything to get their drugs
Ha ha ha! Where the fuck did you hear that crap! You been sitting on daddys knee listening to monster stories again? Listen kiddy, and listen well. I've taken speed (meth) plenty of times. You talk, you dance, you stay up all night, have a laugh, and probably talk too much. Then you go to sleep for 2 days. Thats it. Its nothing. Shit, it used to be legal till the 60's.
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fat_boy wrote:
You been sitting on daddys knee listening to monster stories again
That would explain his worldly wisdom. Don't scare him too much, afterall, he's just out of nappies, :-D :doh: Also, we don't want him to become a statistic as highlighted here [^] :sigh:
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fat_boy wrote:
You been sitting on daddys knee listening to monster stories again
That would explain his worldly wisdom. Don't scare him too much, afterall, he's just out of nappies, :-D :doh: Also, we don't want him to become a statistic as highlighted here [^] :sigh:
I can just imaging Kyle hanging around, drinking, with his mates. One of them, perhaps he doesnt know him that well, starts messing around with the rifle. Loads a .762 round, and bang. It'll kill a man at 2 miles. At close range, it'll go straight through you and the wall behind. Yep, he could become one of those stats a lot easier than my kid.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
an instrinsic part of our culture
They used to be all over europe too. But we got used to it.
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fat_boy wrote:
They used to be all over europe too
Not the same thing at all.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
You have to remember that the 2nd amendment was only a prohibition upon the federal government. Under Jeffersonian principles, state and local governments could exercise gun control all they liked and have frequently done so.
So technically, States could have laws contradicting federal ones?
I'm kept awake at night by the sounds of anthracite screaming.
K(arl) wrote:
So technically, States could have laws contradicting federal ones?
Traditionally, the concept was based on the 9th and 10th amendments - those powers not specifically granted to the federal government by the constitution belonged to the states and to the people. (That was always considered the 'Jeffersonian' solution.) Over the course of the 20th century, however, the federal courts began more and more to use the 14th amendment to give the federal government more and more power based upon judicial interpretations of "equal protection". (This is clearly not a Jeffersonian approach but indicates, to many, such as myself, the introduction of generally Marxist concepts into our political system.) So, no, the states could never 'contradict' federal law, but if the federal government could not do something, state and local governments frequently did and until recently, the federal courts had no problems with it. For example, simply because the 2nd amendment prohibited the federal government from restricting gun ownership, the states were completely free to do so. That was what American federalism was originally all about.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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K(arl) wrote:
So technically, States could have laws contradicting federal ones?
Traditionally, the concept was based on the 9th and 10th amendments - those powers not specifically granted to the federal government by the constitution belonged to the states and to the people. (That was always considered the 'Jeffersonian' solution.) Over the course of the 20th century, however, the federal courts began more and more to use the 14th amendment to give the federal government more and more power based upon judicial interpretations of "equal protection". (This is clearly not a Jeffersonian approach but indicates, to many, such as myself, the introduction of generally Marxist concepts into our political system.) So, no, the states could never 'contradict' federal law, but if the federal government could not do something, state and local governments frequently did and until recently, the federal courts had no problems with it. For example, simply because the 2nd amendment prohibited the federal government from restricting gun ownership, the states were completely free to do so. That was what American federalism was originally all about.
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
For example, simply because the 2nd amendment prohibited the federal government from restricting gun ownership, the states were completely free to do so
Then the Bill of rights has no value at the State level, right? The 50 states could then decide to use torture without violating the constitution. Is there no Bill of Rights for the individual States?
I'm kept awake at night by the sounds of anthracite screaming.
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Shog9 wrote:
worried about getting car-jacked by a shotgun-wielding meth addict.
And have you ever seen a shotgun wielding meth adict? Ever seen one car jacking? Perhaps a car ahead of, or behind you in the traffic? Do you think you will ever see one? Ever be car jacked?
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fat_boy wrote:
Do you think you will ever see one? Ever be car jacked?
I've never seen one, i hope to never be one. :) The closest i've been was earlier this year, while my car was in the shop, i sat reading in the office, a few blocks to the east some guy drove a jacked SUV through the window of a shop, walk across the street, pulled a mother of two from her car and drove off (with her kids still in the back seat). Interestingly, his shotgun had been wrestled away by the owner of the SUV and thrown out prior to the crash. Realistically, in this town of under 100K, there are only a handful of carjackings. If i wanted to worry, getting hit by inattentive drivers would be a far bigger possibility. :)
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fat_boy wrote:
They used to be all over europe too
Not the same thing at all.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Shog9 wrote:
It's no wonder they have such a reputation for violence
What utter crap. If you havent tried speed you dont know what you are talking about and should not venture your ignorant opinions.
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fat_boy wrote:
If you havent tried speed you dont know what you are talking about and should not venture your ignorant opinions.
Who pissed in your oatmeal? If i'd said i dislike skiers 'cause the power makes 'em arrogant dicks, you'd take offense at that too? I didn't talk about the neighbors manufacturing the shit. I didn't talk about the two friends beating each other senseless as paranoia and burnout took over. I didn't talk about the other friend who lost her kids, or my wife's former employer who lost her business. So why not wait 'till i make a serious post about meth before getting all defensive.
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fat_boy wrote:
If you havent tried speed you dont know what you are talking about and should not venture your ignorant opinions.
Who pissed in your oatmeal? If i'd said i dislike skiers 'cause the power makes 'em arrogant dicks, you'd take offense at that too? I didn't talk about the neighbors manufacturing the shit. I didn't talk about the two friends beating each other senseless as paranoia and burnout took over. I didn't talk about the other friend who lost her kids, or my wife's former employer who lost her business. So why not wait 'till i make a serious post about meth before getting all defensive.
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Shog9 wrote:
Who pissed in your oatmeal
Ha ha! Hey just having a laugh you know. ;)
Shog9 wrote:
two friends beating each other senseless as paranoia and burnout took over. I didn't talk about the other friend who lost her kids, or my wife's former employer who lost her business
Seriously, you put all that down to speed? They sound like assholes to me. Dont forget, some people are so feeble they get hooked on one arm bandits. How pathetic is that? Give someone like that speed and you they are gauranteed to fall off the rails.
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Shog9 wrote:
Who pissed in your oatmeal
Ha ha! Hey just having a laugh you know. ;)
Shog9 wrote:
two friends beating each other senseless as paranoia and burnout took over. I didn't talk about the other friend who lost her kids, or my wife's former employer who lost her business
Seriously, you put all that down to speed? They sound like assholes to me. Dont forget, some people are so feeble they get hooked on one arm bandits. How pathetic is that? Give someone like that speed and you they are gauranteed to fall off the rails.
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fat_boy wrote:
Seriously, you put all that down to speed?
Honestly? No. I don't think it helped any, but their behaviors are such that without any drugs there'd still be problems. Speaking personally, i react badly to anything stronger than coffee, so i avoid strong stimulants so as to avoid problems. A lot of people don't. At some point, it's like the guy passed out behind the liquor store with old vomit clinging to his beard - you don't know what led him there, but it doesn't matter, you know where he is now.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
For example, simply because the 2nd amendment prohibited the federal government from restricting gun ownership, the states were completely free to do so
Then the Bill of rights has no value at the State level, right? The 50 states could then decide to use torture without violating the constitution. Is there no Bill of Rights for the individual States?
I'm kept awake at night by the sounds of anthracite screaming.
K(arl) wrote:
The 50 states could then decide to use torture without violating the constitution.
Traditionally, yes. But, then, the theory of American federalism is that the best way of protecting a society from torture, for example, is to get the decision making power about torture as close to those who would be the victims of it as possible. If you leave that power in the hands of some sort of centralized elite, constitution or no constitution, the odds of torture happening on a grand scale go up accordingly. The US constitution, expecially the bill or rights, is all about getting as much power as practically possible out of the hands of the federal government. That is precisely why the founders would have been so appalled by the current power of the courts. That isn't what they intended
K(arl) wrote:
Is there no Bill of Rights for the individual States?
Yes, I believe most states have their own in some form or other.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Not the same thing at all.
You are right. We are civilised.
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fat_boy wrote:
We are civilised.
And you're welcome to it.
Thank God for disproportional force.
