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  • S Sarath C

    code-frog wrote:

    I'm pleased to see Microsoft cutting out the crap to hopefully turn out a stable and secure platform. All that other crap can come later

    Mac is always one step ahead than Microsoft in incorporating new technologies which is handy for their users. Windows is still having fun, they have a new concept on operating system and with Microsoft's excellent marketing strategy it will become success that is for sure. but their requirement for the System is really high and consuming most part of the memory for the OS. I'm thinking about the games in Windows Vista. how the could perform well? Sometimes game developers vendors will put a new requirement to run their game in Vista "A Recent Graphics card (say nvidia 7 series), in addition to the default Graphics Card for your OS" :) -- modified at 1:36 Monday 28th August, 2006

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    I don't know that I would give Mac the "one-step-ahead" statement. I'd give Mac the more dangerous acknowledgement that they have a brilliant leader who is able to keep that company flexible and spry and somehow able to keep up with him. But Mac and Windows steal/borrow from one another constantly. If people really researched what was where first this "bandwagon" idea would not be so popular. Steve Jobs is brilliant, a forward thinker and pilots an agile company. All of those things make Mac a force to be reckoned with. Microsoft is forward thinking for sure. But they have serious leadership issues and until they get Ballmer out and find a guy like Jobs that the public will actually admire and respond to Microsoft will be off the back of the pack. In terms of agility Microsoft is learning a painful lesson righ t now on agility. Mac always hints at things to come that they *know* will be ready. Microsoft hints at things to come and it seems like they never have a clue if whatever it is will be ready or not. Most of the time the public preview won't even run at the launch event... Microsoft has all the money and momentum. But if this was Poker Apple has won the World Poker Championship about 25 times (not in a row but close enough). Microsoft hasn't even been able to enter the Championship at all because the leader who should be able to play is totally incapable of playing and the other guys who are naturals for it keep leaving the company (admittedly they are replaced by other naturals) and somehow that baboon Ballmer is still the front-man. The best thing Microsoft could do would be to steal Jobs from Mac. If they cannot get Jobs then they need that guy who is the host for Survivor. He'd be a hell of lot better than Ballmer but then having said that so would Fabio... - Rex


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      The funniest thing about this is that I'm running Windows 2003 Server (R2) and it looks like Vista. Probably helps that I'm running to NVIDIA GeForce 256 meg cards and a 3rd party glass engine but heck... It's all good *and* it looks like Vista. :-O


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        I don't know that I would give Mac the "one-step-ahead" statement. I'd give Mac the more dangerous acknowledgement that they have a brilliant leader who is able to keep that company flexible and spry and somehow able to keep up with him. But Mac and Windows steal/borrow from one another constantly. If people really researched what was where first this "bandwagon" idea would not be so popular. Steve Jobs is brilliant, a forward thinker and pilots an agile company. All of those things make Mac a force to be reckoned with. Microsoft is forward thinking for sure. But they have serious leadership issues and until they get Ballmer out and find a guy like Jobs that the public will actually admire and respond to Microsoft will be off the back of the pack. In terms of agility Microsoft is learning a painful lesson righ t now on agility. Mac always hints at things to come that they *know* will be ready. Microsoft hints at things to come and it seems like they never have a clue if whatever it is will be ready or not. Most of the time the public preview won't even run at the launch event... Microsoft has all the money and momentum. But if this was Poker Apple has won the World Poker Championship about 25 times (not in a row but close enough). Microsoft hasn't even been able to enter the Championship at all because the leader who should be able to play is totally incapable of playing and the other guys who are naturals for it keep leaving the company (admittedly they are replaced by other naturals) and somehow that baboon Ballmer is still the front-man. The best thing Microsoft could do would be to steal Jobs from Mac. If they cannot get Jobs then they need that guy who is the host for Survivor. He'd be a hell of lot better than Ballmer but then having said that so would Fabio... - Rex


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        Seems frogy is in a real form :)

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          I don't know that I would give Mac the "one-step-ahead" statement. I'd give Mac the more dangerous acknowledgement that they have a brilliant leader who is able to keep that company flexible and spry and somehow able to keep up with him. But Mac and Windows steal/borrow from one another constantly. If people really researched what was where first this "bandwagon" idea would not be so popular. Steve Jobs is brilliant, a forward thinker and pilots an agile company. All of those things make Mac a force to be reckoned with. Microsoft is forward thinking for sure. But they have serious leadership issues and until they get Ballmer out and find a guy like Jobs that the public will actually admire and respond to Microsoft will be off the back of the pack. In terms of agility Microsoft is learning a painful lesson righ t now on agility. Mac always hints at things to come that they *know* will be ready. Microsoft hints at things to come and it seems like they never have a clue if whatever it is will be ready or not. Most of the time the public preview won't even run at the launch event... Microsoft has all the money and momentum. But if this was Poker Apple has won the World Poker Championship about 25 times (not in a row but close enough). Microsoft hasn't even been able to enter the Championship at all because the leader who should be able to play is totally incapable of playing and the other guys who are naturals for it keep leaving the company (admittedly they are replaced by other naturals) and somehow that baboon Ballmer is still the front-man. The best thing Microsoft could do would be to steal Jobs from Mac. If they cannot get Jobs then they need that guy who is the host for Survivor. He'd be a hell of lot better than Ballmer but then having said that so would Fabio... - Rex


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          code-frog wrote:

          But they have serious leadership issues and until they get Ballmer out.

          Why do you think so?

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            Seems frogy is in a real form :)

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            I think I'm just chatty because I just made my 4000th post. In doing the math and realizing that up to May 21st, 2005 I only had 246 posts here and now I have 4000+ that means in a little over a year I've posted 3,800+ times. It proves I have no life. But if that's the case... why fight it? So I'm posting away! :laugh: I do really think Microsoft needs a guy less like Ballmer and way more like Jobs as the front man.:rose:


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            • S Sarath C

              code-frog wrote:

              But they have serious leadership issues and until they get Ballmer out.

              Why do you think so?

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              Steve Jobs has an electric relationship with Mac fans around the world. Most of them dote on him and those that don't highly respect him and are totally willing to make a trip and turn out to see what he has to say. Steve Jobs is composed with poise and style. He's always extremely organized in the public eye and he always makes sure that he gets the "ooooohs" and the "aaaaaahs" out of the crowd with his presentations. He really knows how to carry an audience, keep the interested and though he may actually have spoken for 1 hour the audience feels like it's only been 5 minutes. I think most people can only stomach 5 minutes of Ballmer and it feels like an hour. When I watch Jobs in action I cannot separate the product from the visionary who inspired it. The apple mac personifies those qualities of Jobs that are stand-out-amazing qualities. Steve Jobs has a 1-to-1 link with the Mac (at least in my mind). He is the brilliance that has revived that company and exploded it into new potential. He's a visionary who will some day be remembered as brilliant and responsible for hugely changing how we think of computing (and you have to understand I'm not a huge Mac lover, I prefer Windows or Linux). But I will always listen to Steve Jobs and read about the things he is doing. He's just that kind of guy. Ballmer is a freak. He belongs in a cage at the zoo. I don't equate Ballmer to Microsoft at all. I equate Ballmer to Enron for some strange reason and I couldn't tell you why. I'd never trust Ballmer and I'd never believe a word he told me. I'd constantly demand and expect to speak with the individual product VP's before I put stock in anything Ballmer said. He's just a goon and I don't think I'm the only person who feels that way at all. Ballmer hurts the reputation that Microsoft could have. Gates was/is 1000 of times better and Gates is not even close to Jobs.


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                Steve Jobs has an electric relationship with Mac fans around the world. Most of them dote on him and those that don't highly respect him and are totally willing to make a trip and turn out to see what he has to say. Steve Jobs is composed with poise and style. He's always extremely organized in the public eye and he always makes sure that he gets the "ooooohs" and the "aaaaaahs" out of the crowd with his presentations. He really knows how to carry an audience, keep the interested and though he may actually have spoken for 1 hour the audience feels like it's only been 5 minutes. I think most people can only stomach 5 minutes of Ballmer and it feels like an hour. When I watch Jobs in action I cannot separate the product from the visionary who inspired it. The apple mac personifies those qualities of Jobs that are stand-out-amazing qualities. Steve Jobs has a 1-to-1 link with the Mac (at least in my mind). He is the brilliance that has revived that company and exploded it into new potential. He's a visionary who will some day be remembered as brilliant and responsible for hugely changing how we think of computing (and you have to understand I'm not a huge Mac lover, I prefer Windows or Linux). But I will always listen to Steve Jobs and read about the things he is doing. He's just that kind of guy. Ballmer is a freak. He belongs in a cage at the zoo. I don't equate Ballmer to Microsoft at all. I equate Ballmer to Enron for some strange reason and I couldn't tell you why. I'd never trust Ballmer and I'd never believe a word he told me. I'd constantly demand and expect to speak with the individual product VP's before I put stock in anything Ballmer said. He's just a goon and I don't think I'm the only person who feels that way at all. Ballmer hurts the reputation that Microsoft could have. Gates was/is 1000 of times better and Gates is not even close to Jobs.


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                I'm not a person to talk about Ballmer Sometimes Gates is not a good speaker but his words are something more professional that others and have clear vision towards the future and at any cost he used to implement his concepts and views that's the difference. His concepts and vision are the basements for the largest software company in the world. I don't think that no other person can claim a success like this. He's really a genius. Let's see what will happen to MSFT without Gates. "Gates without MSFT is like the Titanic without Smith[^]"

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                  I'm not a person to talk about Ballmer Sometimes Gates is not a good speaker but his words are something more professional that others and have clear vision towards the future and at any cost he used to implement his concepts and views that's the difference. His concepts and vision are the basements for the largest software company in the world. I don't think that no other person can claim a success like this. He's really a genius. Let's see what will happen to MSFT without Gates. "Gates without MSFT is like the Titanic without Smith[^]"

                  -Sarath. The more you can dream the more you can do - Michael Korda"

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                  After reading your discussion and Sarath's talk about Gates, I couldn't resist to mention this: I used to think of Bill Gates as another billionaire who spent little cash for charity to buy some public love, but as I see and read more of his charity work I begin to admire him more as a human being, and wish more rich people could stand up for a worthy cause...*caugh* Steve Jobs *caugh*... -- modified at 3:48 Monday 28th August, 2006

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                    After reading your discussion and Sarath's talk about Gates, I couldn't resist to mention this: I used to think of Bill Gates as another billionaire who spent little cash for charity to buy some public love, but as I see and read more of his charity work I begin to admire him more as a human being, and wish more rich people could stand up for a worthy cause...*caugh* Steve Jobs *caugh*... -- modified at 3:48 Monday 28th August, 2006

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                    Companies are making profit by creating softwares of their own, even they publish the source or not. Definitely Microsoft has had some stringent policies on software licensing and usage. But still there are a lot of companies and people are using cracked version of Windows and their product. They could easily caught them up. But still they are not that strict in prohibiting using the pirated copies because, they want to use their software. What I felt is that, the people are using Windows and Linux and I too one among them. There are alot of problems, bug and security holes at Linux's side and people are giving less importance for that. Attackers giving priority to Windows. Definitely there will have issues on every software. For windows, we are giving money for license. Suppose, if we are buy a product from a shop and if see damage in that we will return the same asap and definitely complain about the quality of the product and if a friend give us a gift and if we sees damage. we will not that much concerned about that right, because we got the same for free of cost. Atlest the compliant will be less. The same thing happening in Windows and Linux. Anyway my post and this reply is contradictory.

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                    • S Sarath C

                      code-frog wrote:

                      I'm pleased to see Microsoft cutting out the crap to hopefully turn out a stable and secure platform. All that other crap can come later

                      Mac is always one step ahead than Microsoft in incorporating new technologies which is handy for their users. Windows is still having fun, they have a new concept on operating system and with Microsoft's excellent marketing strategy it will become success that is for sure. but their requirement for the System is really high and consuming most part of the memory for the OS. I'm thinking about the games in Windows Vista. how the could perform well? Sometimes game developers vendors will put a new requirement to run their game in Vista "A Recent Graphics card (say nvidia 7 series), in addition to the default Graphics Card for your OS" :) -- modified at 1:36 Monday 28th August, 2006

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                      Sarath. wrote:

                      "A Recent Graphics card (say nvidia 7 series), in addition to the default Graphics Card for your OS"

                      Good one that dude! LOL :-D

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                        I'll throw this out for you and others to think about. Even if the only new feature Vista has is better security then it's worth it. Why do I say that? It's because Vista was darned near a total re-write. While many people are evaluating Vista purely based upon new gidgets and gadgets which really do nothing for me I'm pleased to see Microsoft cutting out the crap to hopefully turn out a stable and secure platform. All that other crap can come later. If Vista is stable and secure those are the two most important features and I don't care what anyone else says that's a big deal at least for me. I'll upgrade and am still looking forward to it. Eye candy, command line frills and all that other jazz is just jazz. I'd love to see something come out of Microsoft that was *rock* solid and secure. I'd pay bars of gold to get a Microsoft product that was anywhere near as good as BSD. That would just be sweet. Now having said all of this. I'll state openly that Microsoft over-promised and under-delivered on to much in Vista and it's going to kill them. If they had kept out the lace and frills and just focused on a core system it would have been a lot better for them.


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                        The unfortunate thing is that all reports coming back from the Vista betas is that it is the most unstable Microsoft beta this close to a release many have seen. Additionally the security measures are apparently so annoying you want them turned off. Rewriting an OS isn't the way to go for stability, it will have to iterate a few times before it gets that.

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                        eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.

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                          The unfortunate thing is that all reports coming back from the Vista betas is that it is the most unstable Microsoft beta this close to a release many have seen. Additionally the security measures are apparently so annoying you want them turned off. Rewriting an OS isn't the way to go for stability, it will have to iterate a few times before it gets that.

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                          eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.

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                          Paul Watson wrote:

                          Rewriting an OS isn't the way to go for stability, it will have to iterate a few times before it gets that.

                          XP was a cludge because it was an itterative design. XP is NT 3.51 with plug and play and power management tacked on. And that is where the problems come from. NT never expected to have hardware come and go while it was powered up. And never expected to have parts of it put to sleep randomly in an attempt to save power. So alot of the underlying system finds it very hard to handle these events. Vista is an atrempt to get it right. And certainly some is new, like the USB system, but I am sure alot is still old XP stuff. But I agree with you, it would be nice to get a Windows OS that was as good as NT4 was (in its way), however, if MS didnt bring out new stuff, often without need (as in who really needs Vista anyway?) there wouldnt be so much work for us, so I dont mind too much if MS keep bringing crap to market.

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                            I'll throw this out for you and others to think about. Even if the only new feature Vista has is better security then it's worth it. Why do I say that? It's because Vista was darned near a total re-write. While many people are evaluating Vista purely based upon new gidgets and gadgets which really do nothing for me I'm pleased to see Microsoft cutting out the crap to hopefully turn out a stable and secure platform. All that other crap can come later. If Vista is stable and secure those are the two most important features and I don't care what anyone else says that's a big deal at least for me. I'll upgrade and am still looking forward to it. Eye candy, command line frills and all that other jazz is just jazz. I'd love to see something come out of Microsoft that was *rock* solid and secure. I'd pay bars of gold to get a Microsoft product that was anywhere near as good as BSD. That would just be sweet. Now having said all of this. I'll state openly that Microsoft over-promised and under-delivered on to much in Vista and it's going to kill them. If they had kept out the lace and frills and just focused on a core system it would have been a lot better for them.


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                            code-frog wrote:

                            It's because Vista was darned near a total re-write.

                            An experienced developer cannot see a total rewrite as a good thing from the security standpoint. Quite the opposite, if there is a ton of new code, then there is a ton of code that is set for new vulnerabilities. Also, when you said "near total rewrite", you may want to explain a little bit what you mean. I don't think WIN32 is getting rewritten. You know, there is that thing they call "backwards compatibility"... PS : don't eat too much Microsoft PR, that's unhealthy.

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                              Today morning I read the Daily Developer news from Codeproject by Jordon. in that mail, I saw one news "Microsoft cuts ANOTHER feature: full HD playback in 32bit Vista goes[^]" So in the first release, what all features they will have? Just new GUI and some new concepts of Microsoft on Operating system? Are they really incorporating some new technologies with RC1?

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                              Sarath. wrote:

                              "Microsoft cuts ANOTHER feature: full HD playback in 32bit Vista goes[^]"

                              Actually that is not correct, and is a mis-statement by someone. It will be just like regular DVDs, you have to purchase a DVD (or HD-DVD) decoder. Just like one would buy PowerDVD or WinDVD etc.

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                                Sarath. wrote:

                                "Microsoft cuts ANOTHER feature: full HD playback in 32bit Vista goes[^]"

                                Actually that is not correct, and is a mis-statement by someone. It will be just like regular DVDs, you have to purchase a DVD (or HD-DVD) decoder. Just like one would buy PowerDVD or WinDVD etc.

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                                If that module they will definitely ship with Vista. But it's not completed :( That's only mentioned.

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                                  Today morning I read the Daily Developer news from Codeproject by Jordon. in that mail, I saw one news "Microsoft cuts ANOTHER feature: full HD playback in 32bit Vista goes[^]" So in the first release, what all features they will have? Just new GUI and some new concepts of Microsoft on Operating system? Are they really incorporating some new technologies with RC1?

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                                  Pretty soon, they'll be able to use Volkswagen's old ad catch-phrase - "Farfegnugen" (translated: "no identifiable features").

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                                    I'll throw this out for you and others to think about. Even if the only new feature Vista has is better security then it's worth it. Why do I say that? It's because Vista was darned near a total re-write. While many people are evaluating Vista purely based upon new gidgets and gadgets which really do nothing for me I'm pleased to see Microsoft cutting out the crap to hopefully turn out a stable and secure platform. All that other crap can come later. If Vista is stable and secure those are the two most important features and I don't care what anyone else says that's a big deal at least for me. I'll upgrade and am still looking forward to it. Eye candy, command line frills and all that other jazz is just jazz. I'd love to see something come out of Microsoft that was *rock* solid and secure. I'd pay bars of gold to get a Microsoft product that was anywhere near as good as BSD. That would just be sweet. Now having said all of this. I'll state openly that Microsoft over-promised and under-delivered on to much in Vista and it's going to kill them. If they had kept out the lace and frills and just focused on a core system it would have been a lot better for them.


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                                    code-frog wrote:

                                    Even if the only new feature Vista has is better security then it's worth it. Why do I say that? It's because Vista was darned near a total re-write.

                                    As an end-user, I don't think I even need know if it's a total rewrite or an update - I just need new features to justify upgrading to a new OS.

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                                      Today morning I read the Daily Developer news from Codeproject by Jordon. in that mail, I saw one news "Microsoft cuts ANOTHER feature: full HD playback in 32bit Vista goes[^]" So in the first release, what all features they will have? Just new GUI and some new concepts of Microsoft on Operating system? Are they really incorporating some new technologies with RC1?

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                                      This story is based on a poorly worded statement given by a Microsoft guy in Australia. To add HD playback (or Blu-Ray for that matter) to Vista, Microsoft would have to pay a very hefty royalty to the consortium(s) for EVERY copy of Vista they sell (including MSDN copies.) This is the same as with DVD and Microsoft opted not to do this FROM DAY ONE. Microsoft never promised this feature and has always left it up to third parties to provide it. From what I understand the source of this confusion is a technical debate as to whether the security requirements of HD-DVD (and Blu-Ray) would make it even possible for a third party to write a player for Vista (especially the 32-bit version or even XP for that matter) and whether a 32-bit CPU has the horsepower to do full-blown HD playback. (I've played HD-WMV files on my system, which is fairly powerful, and they bring it to its knees. HD-DVD will be worse.) -- modified at 10:45 Monday 28th August, 2006 One more note: If I understand correctly, 64-bit Vista will allow ONLY signed drivers to be installed. Due to the DRM requirements by the backers of HD-DVD (and Blu-Ray) it is unlikely that the consortium(s) will allow the [secure] decoders to be licensed [to ISVs such as CyberLink or WinDVD] for anything but 64-bit Vista.

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                                        I don't know that I would give Mac the "one-step-ahead" statement. I'd give Mac the more dangerous acknowledgement that they have a brilliant leader who is able to keep that company flexible and spry and somehow able to keep up with him. But Mac and Windows steal/borrow from one another constantly. If people really researched what was where first this "bandwagon" idea would not be so popular. Steve Jobs is brilliant, a forward thinker and pilots an agile company. All of those things make Mac a force to be reckoned with. Microsoft is forward thinking for sure. But they have serious leadership issues and until they get Ballmer out and find a guy like Jobs that the public will actually admire and respond to Microsoft will be off the back of the pack. In terms of agility Microsoft is learning a painful lesson righ t now on agility. Mac always hints at things to come that they *know* will be ready. Microsoft hints at things to come and it seems like they never have a clue if whatever it is will be ready or not. Most of the time the public preview won't even run at the launch event... Microsoft has all the money and momentum. But if this was Poker Apple has won the World Poker Championship about 25 times (not in a row but close enough). Microsoft hasn't even been able to enter the Championship at all because the leader who should be able to play is totally incapable of playing and the other guys who are naturals for it keep leaving the company (admittedly they are replaced by other naturals) and somehow that baboon Ballmer is still the front-man. The best thing Microsoft could do would be to steal Jobs from Mac. If they cannot get Jobs then they need that guy who is the host for Survivor. He'd be a hell of lot better than Ballmer but then having said that so would Fabio... - Rex


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                                        code-frog wrote:

                                        But Mac and Windows steal/borrow from one another constantly.

                                        Give examples of the Mac OS copying off of Windows. $20 says you have to use Google to try and justify that statement. Even still, you're going to be hard pressed to back that claim up. I'm prepared to give you at least five examples of Windows copying off of Macs. The only one thing remotely close I can think of for Apple copying MS is preemptive multithreading, but that's really wasn't a MS only thing anyway. But, I'll play fair and say that's one. I'll throw in easy user switching on XP as a freebie that MS copied and won't even count that as one of the 5.

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                                          I'll throw this out for you and others to think about. Even if the only new feature Vista has is better security then it's worth it. Why do I say that? It's because Vista was darned near a total re-write. While many people are evaluating Vista purely based upon new gidgets and gadgets which really do nothing for me I'm pleased to see Microsoft cutting out the crap to hopefully turn out a stable and secure platform. All that other crap can come later. If Vista is stable and secure those are the two most important features and I don't care what anyone else says that's a big deal at least for me. I'll upgrade and am still looking forward to it. Eye candy, command line frills and all that other jazz is just jazz. I'd love to see something come out of Microsoft that was *rock* solid and secure. I'd pay bars of gold to get a Microsoft product that was anywhere near as good as BSD. That would just be sweet. Now having said all of this. I'll state openly that Microsoft over-promised and under-delivered on to much in Vista and it's going to kill them. If they had kept out the lace and frills and just focused on a core system it would have been a lot better for them.


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                                          code-frog wrote:

                                          I'd pay bars of gold to get a Microsoft product that was anywhere near as good as BSD. That would just be sweet.

                                          Why not just use BSD now and save the gold?

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