Vista pricing leaked (all prices in US dollars)
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Vista Home Basic - $233 Vista Home Premium - $269 ($180 for upgrade) Vista Business - $341 Vista Ultimate (has Media Center tools, Aero 3D GUI, and extra security technology) - $449 ($270 for upgrade) Are they out of their fucking minds?.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001With all the bad feedback and media publicity they got, I thought they were going to release it at subsidized prices - I was wrong, wasn't I!
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OEM or Retail?
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Those were probably retail prices, which is the way you would want to buy the software if you want any modicum of control over what you're installing.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Those were probably retail prices, which is the way you would want to buy the software if you want any modicum of control over what you're installing.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001In my experience, the OEM CDs are identical to the retail versions. For instance, if you get a brand new HP, it's full of crap you never ever wanted. Reinstall it with the OEM disc that comes with it, and you get a clean machine. On the other hand, the machines I've dealt with are models that are targeted for professional use (which may differ a lot from those HP PCs which are targeted at home users).
-- Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei, eine Kraftstoff wie Benziiiiiiin!
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Vista Home Basic - $233 Vista Home Premium - $269 ($180 for upgrade) Vista Business - $341 Vista Ultimate (has Media Center tools, Aero 3D GUI, and extra security technology) - $449 ($270 for upgrade) Are they out of their fucking minds?.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Are they out of their f****ing minds?.
What, to cheap? ;P Frankly, the pricing isn't what concerns me, it's the 7 (or 9, or 900) flavors of Vista. The real cost of having to test an application on all these different versions far outweighs the cost of the OS itself. And then, beyond the OS versions, there's the issues of how the hardware affects the OS's presentation and performance. What a nightmare. Marc
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In my experience, the OEM CDs are identical to the retail versions. For instance, if you get a brand new HP, it's full of crap you never ever wanted. Reinstall it with the OEM disc that comes with it, and you get a clean machine. On the other hand, the machines I've dealt with are models that are targeted for professional use (which may differ a lot from those HP PCs which are targeted at home users).
-- Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei, eine Kraftstoff wie Benziiiiiiin!
The difference is that an OEM license is bound to the specific hardware it's installed on (IIRC the mobo), and cannot legally by transfered to a new machine. AFaik enforcement is only via WGA with XP, but there's the possibility it might be built more deeply into feture releases.
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The difference is that an OEM license is bound to the specific hardware it's installed on (IIRC the mobo), and cannot legally by transfered to a new machine. AFaik enforcement is only via WGA with XP, but there's the possibility it might be built more deeply into feture releases.
I doubt it'll be enforced by some kind of software/hardware. You can buy OEM versions of Windows for installation on a brand new computer with no OS preinstalled... Unless, of course, palladium becomes a reality.
-- Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei, eine Kraftstoff wie Benziiiiiiin!
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In my experience, the OEM CDs are identical to the retail versions. For instance, if you get a brand new HP, it's full of crap you never ever wanted. Reinstall it with the OEM disc that comes with it, and you get a clean machine. On the other hand, the machines I've dealt with are models that are targeted for professional use (which may differ a lot from those HP PCs which are targeted at home users).
-- Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei, eine Kraftstoff wie Benziiiiiiin!
The OEM version can only be installed on the machine you bought it with. This means you can't change the motherboard in your box. This means people that build their own machines (like me) would be ill-advised to purchase an OEM copy. I'm sure even the OEM versions will be way over-priced as well. At this price-point, it costs less to buy a Mac than it does to buy Vista Ultimate and build your own computer.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
I doubt it'll be enforced by some kind of software/hardware. You can buy OEM versions of Windows for installation on a brand new computer with no OS preinstalled... Unless, of course, palladium becomes a reality.
-- Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei, eine Kraftstoff wie Benziiiiiiin!
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Yes. That and Dilithium will change the world!!
-- Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei, eine Kraftstoff wie Benziiiiiiin!
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Vista Home Basic - $233 Vista Home Premium - $269 ($180 for upgrade) Vista Business - $341 Vista Ultimate (has Media Center tools, Aero 3D GUI, and extra security technology) - $449 ($270 for upgrade) Are they out of their fucking minds?.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Phew! If it's so expensive, noone wants to upgrade, so I don't have to test on Vista :cool:
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With all the bad feedback and media publicity they got, I thought they were going to release it at subsidized prices - I was wrong, wasn't I!
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Do you really care about the price?;)
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Do you really care about the price?;)
Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. -Brian Kernighan
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Do you really care about the price?
Well, I get my copy as part of the MSDN sub, but I was thinking more from a general perspective.
Regards, Nish
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Vista Home Basic - $233 Vista Home Premium - $269 ($180 for upgrade) Vista Business - $341 Vista Ultimate (has Media Center tools, Aero 3D GUI, and extra security technology) - $449 ($270 for upgrade) Are they out of their fucking minds?.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Those new Macs are looking nicer every day, and Linux tools and apps are getting better all the time. I think it's time to change platforms; Microsoft has finally lost its last, feeble grip on reality.
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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Vista Home Basic - $233 Vista Home Premium - $269 ($180 for upgrade) Vista Business - $341 Vista Ultimate (has Media Center tools, Aero 3D GUI, and extra security technology) - $449 ($270 for upgrade) Are they out of their fucking minds?.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Those new Macs are looking nicer every day, and Linux tools and apps are getting better all the time. I think it's time to change platforms; Microsoft has finally lost its last, feeble grip on reality.
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
Roger Wright wrote:
Linux tools and apps are getting better all the time
Uh...yeah....:doh: :)
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Vista Home Basic - $233 Vista Home Premium - $269 ($180 for upgrade) Vista Business - $341 Vista Ultimate (has Media Center tools, Aero 3D GUI, and extra security technology) - $449 ($270 for upgrade) Are they out of their fucking minds?.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Do you have a link for this? Was this from Microsoft iteself, or just someone guessing? It's kind of hard to believe they are going to be charging that much.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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The OEM version can only be installed on the machine you bought it with. This means you can't change the motherboard in your box. This means people that build their own machines (like me) would be ill-advised to purchase an OEM copy. I'm sure even the OEM versions will be way over-priced as well. At this price-point, it costs less to buy a Mac than it does to buy Vista Ultimate and build your own computer.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001actually, you can buy an oem version with "any" hardware. E.g. a mouse. Then you install the version on your pc and is obliged to attach the sticker to your cabinet. Followingly, if you change any hardware from which the hash-code (or whatever it is) that the license has bound itself to, you will be requested to re-register the operating system. This also applies to any pre-installed version from HP, Dell or whatever. However, you can just re-register with the newly generated hash-code and repeat that process each time you change motherboard, disk, graphics card etc. untill you reach a limit (3 times I think) - then you have to call their automated phone service where you enter a code generated on your screen and they give you a new code so that re-registering works anyway. In short: get an oem with a disk or something like that and use that. It's cheaper, but you cannot resell it. Would you ever do that anyway ? Not likely.
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Do you have a link for this? Was this from Microsoft iteself, or just someone guessing? It's kind of hard to believe they are going to be charging that much.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Do you have a link for this? Was this from Microsoft iteself, or just someone guessing?
I found this on The Register. It appears as if MS Canada accidently published the price list, and then took it down, but not before at least one person saw it.
Jim Crafton wrote:
It's kind of hard to believe they are going to be charging that much.
I don't find it that hard to believe, but I am floored that they would even think about charging this much. I mean seriously - that's a lot of money for an operating system. Maybe they're finally trying to charge us for all the competetive software they've bough over the years and shelved...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
out of curiosity, what're the list, as opposed to retail, prices for XP? I know there's a decent sized gap between the two, but don't recall how big it is.
XP Home is $189 (I think), and XP Pro is $299. Updgrade prices are about $100 cheaper, and oem is like $50 cheaper. And IMHO, it's still over-priced...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Those new Macs are looking nicer every day, and Linux tools and apps are getting better all the time. I think it's time to change platforms; Microsoft has finally lost its last, feeble grip on reality.
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
I like the Macs, but linux is far from being a contender. Heck, sometimes, you can't even install the OS, and the newer your hardware, the less likely it is that your install will be a reasonably good experience. I think their claim to fame that Linux *will* run on really old hardware much better than Windows should actually be phrased as Linux will *only* run on really old hardware.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
