Ocean & Mars
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
the grass is always greener... even when the soil is red.
So why can't I get a lawn to grow?
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
Roger Wright wrote:
So why can't I get a lawn to grow?
it grows fine on the other side of the fence... ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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EscapeKey wrote:
Do you think this is the right path?
There is no "right" path, per se. There is only no path, a circle (which is equivalent to no path in the long run), and a path. The right path can only be evaluated in hindsight. What will we find in the ocean? angry volumes of giant squid? mineral wealth? a new method of energy? a cure for cancer? What will we find on Mars? angry multitudes of Bobs? mineral wealth? a new method of energy? a cure for cancer? No one knows until hindsight what we gained. And even that is usually a bad view. What did we gain from the Moon? most would say "little" or "nothing". But in the process of the "path" we gained fuel cells, new methods for cooling and storing liquid gasses, lasers, velcro, many plastics, new manufacturing methods, computer advancements, communication advancements, weather prediction advancements, food processing, food storage, medicines, medical techniques, and the list is seemingly endless, not to mention the list of things that those then went on to generate. None of those were found on the Moon, but all of them were found on the path to the Moon. Choosing to go no where, with no path, no hope, no goal, no drive, no hole to fill... that is the only bad path. The rest is up to someone who had nothing to do with the path to claim, with no knowledge of what he is already using because someone looked beyond, or below, and tried to get there. -- modified at 22:38 Tuesday 29th August, 2006
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Work on your phrasing and you could become a Mystic Technomonk
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Why bother exploring Mars when Earth is so close by? There are still lots of unknown about earth and the ocean. I am open to discuss.:)
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why bother studying physics when there are unsolved math problems ?
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
the grass is always greener... even when the soil is red.
So why can't I get a lawn to grow?
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
Roger Wright wrote:
So why can't I get a lawn to grow?
Theory one: You live in the desert. (That's the great part about Arizona, you can put in desert landscaping and get away with it.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Work on your phrasing and you could become a Mystic Technomonk
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
Joe Woodbury wrote:
Work on your phrasing and you could become a Mystic Technomonk
I'm just a little ol' hick kid from an ex-mining town, who writes programs. I live alone in my cave with DSL, home networked electrical outlets, and endless supplies of Chai and Diet Coke....
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
the grass is always greener... even when the soil is red.
So why can't I get a lawn to grow?
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
Roger Wright wrote:
So why can't I get a lawn to grow?
I thought of another answer.... but you better sit down... take a deep breath.... take a long draught of beer if available.... ready? It grew fine in California... why did you leave? ;P *ducks and runs*
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
Work on your phrasing and you could become a Mystic Technomonk
I'm just a little ol' hick kid from an ex-mining town, who writes programs. I live alone in my cave with DSL, home networked electrical outlets, and endless supplies of Chai and Diet Coke....
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
and endless supplies of Chai and Diet Coke
As long as you don't mix the two together. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon A multithreaded, OpenGL-enabled application.[^]
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
Work on your phrasing and you could become a Mystic Technomonk
I'm just a little ol' hick kid from an ex-mining town, who writes programs. I live alone in my cave with DSL, home networked electrical outlets, and endless supplies of Chai and Diet Coke....
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
LOL, I thought I was the only one
Pablo
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why bother studying physics when there are unsolved math problems ?
Good point. We havent given up on studying our oceans etc...we just arent limiting ourselves to only that.
Pablo
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Why bother exploring Mars when Earth is so close by? There are still lots of unknown about earth and the ocean. I am open to discuss.:)
EscapeKey wrote:
Why bother exploring Mars when Earth is so close by? There are still lots of unknown about earth and the ocean.
OK! Your name is EscapeKey. I assume that you are male. Let's say: You are somewhere and there is a pretty lady next to you. She smiles to you. Are you going to say "hi" to her? Or you would just keep "exploring" yourself? :-D;P
Maxwell Chen
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Roger Wright wrote:
So why can't I get a lawn to grow?
I thought of another answer.... but you better sit down... take a deep breath.... take a long draught of beer if available.... ready? It grew fine in California... why did you leave? ;P *ducks and runs*
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I'm not fond of police states, and prefer to live in America, even if lawns don't thrive.
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
the grass is always greener... even when the soil is red.
So why can't I get a lawn to grow?
"...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
Brown fingers, maybe? ;)
Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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That is pretty much Chris' point.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Why bother exploring Mars when Earth is so close by? There are still lots of unknown about earth and the ocean. I am open to discuss.:)
Space pressure difference 1 bar. Bottom of deep ocean pressure difference 300 bars.
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why bother studying physics when there are unsolved math problems ?
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it ties the math together and gives it meaning. Superstring/m-theories have tied together much of the last centuries purely theorectical work. The two are now driving each other, since much of the math the theories need doesn't exist at present.
dan neely wrote:
it ties the math together and gives it meaning.
math has meaning without physics. but, regardless. my post above was a rhetorical question.
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Brown fingers, maybe? ;)
Anna :rose: Currently working mostly on: Visual Lint :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Roger Wright wrote:
So why can't I get a lawn to grow?
Theory one: You live in the desert. (That's the great part about Arizona, you can put in desert landscaping and get away with it.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
It's worth noting that if the environment here goes phut, Mars is the only alternative place we've got any chance of getting to. Of course the terraforming alone would take an age, so the sooner we start the better. The Mars issue isn't just about exploration The greatest hinderance to the truth is not ignorance, it is the illusion of truth
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It's worth noting that if the environment here goes phut, Mars is the only alternative place we've got any chance of getting to. Of course the terraforming alone would take an age, so the sooner we start the better. The Mars issue isn't just about exploration The greatest hinderance to the truth is not ignorance, it is the illusion of truth
And that is exactly the reason it's considered so valuable to many people. There is valid argument in the fact that we should know everything about Earth before we explore beyond, but the idea of space is that it is a larger environment to explore. It's not just the Moon or Mars, those are just stepping stones in the ability to expand or relocate our population due to population growth and our destruction of the Earth. Exploring the ocean is like exploring a dark corner of a room we already occupy. We know that it's size is limited, because it's contained within Earth. Maybe it's possible to learn something from the oceans that would help save the Earth from our destruction, but that would be more work to save Earth, rather than relocate, and who wants to put in the effort? It's kind of sad, but we've grown up treating the planet a certain way, and now it's not easy to train ourselves to treat it better. It's easier to add the knowledge of space exploration, because those willing to try can put in the effort without being countered by those who have no interest. All of that is pretty much the basis from all the reading i've done on it. Well...that and the fact that our competitive element was willing to back Kennedy with his plan to beat the Russians to a major challenge. The Russians already orbited the Earth, and they were ahead in the ability to lift major structures into space, so the moon was the best and most difficult shot. Who would have felt exploring the ocean depths was as big a feat as going to the moon (even though the ocean is a tougher journey than many think.) Brandon