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Tom Archer wrote: Live in Amsterdam for a couple of years. Yeah, I use to hang out at some joints in the Canal Street area. Typical tourist stuff. :-) But my mum mever new I went to Amsterdam. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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Of all the places I've lived, definitely my favourite! Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C# Please note that the opinions expressed in this correspondence do not necessarily reflect the views of the author.
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When will the US government realize that the Internet is not an American entitiy and thusly is not subject to their out-dated, Victorial beliefs? http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/04/17/surveillance.reut/index.html Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C# Please note that the opinions expressed in this correspondence do not necessarily reflect the views of the author.
The trouble with freedom is that it usually ends up being exploited as "freedom to do evil". Here in Canada we had a case of a man who was caught with pornographic stories he had written on his computer depicting kidnap, and graphic sexual torture of children. He was acquitted on the grounds that his work had "inherent artistic merit", and that he had freedom to write whatever he wanted to in the privacy of his own home. I'm all for freedom, but where do you draw the line? What happens if this same guy really does kidnap and sexually torture a young boy? Would that be consider "performance art" by the liberals of society? Once again the protection of the rights of criminals has outweighed the protection of society. :mad: Anyway, just another frustrated kevnar rant. Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
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my god ... you mean its not american??? do you think george knows this?? --- situations to avoid #37:
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Tom Archer wrote: American citizen do these laws apply to me if the server isn't on US soil? If you're an american citizen, it doesn't matter where the server or you are located; you must follow the US law and the law of the country you live in. If you live in the US your citizenship doesn't matter you have to follow US law. Tom Archer wrote: Also, in my particular case I have dual citizenship I have dual citizenship too and it just means that there's two sets of laws to I have to abide to.
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Checkout GUIDGen.NETEddie Velasquez wrote: If you're an american citizen, it doesn't matter where the server or you are located; you must follow the US law and the law of the country you live in. Eddie Velasquez wrote: If you live in the US your citizenship doesn't matter you have to follow US law. I agree with the second quote and not the first. If I am reading it correctly (and that has not always been true) you contradict yourself. If I am a US citizen and living in say Chile I can ignore US law. I know a case where this was the basis and the courts (the judge) ruled they had no jurisdiction. It was a fraud case not internet. To be conscious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step towards Knowledge. Benjamin Disraeli
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That would just point to David's Rant and Rave posts. :) Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
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Of all the places I've lived, definitely my favourite! Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C# Please note that the opinions expressed in this correspondence do not necessarily reflect the views of the author.
Tom Archer wrote: Of all the places I've lived, definitely my favourite! Yeah, I only visited really, but I did do some street art there and made some easy money etc. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Eddie Velasquez wrote: If you're an american citizen, it doesn't matter where the server or you are located; you must follow the US law and the law of the country you live in. Eddie Velasquez wrote: If you live in the US your citizenship doesn't matter you have to follow US law. I agree with the second quote and not the first. If I am reading it correctly (and that has not always been true) you contradict yourself. If I am a US citizen and living in say Chile I can ignore US law. I know a case where this was the basis and the courts (the judge) ruled they had no jurisdiction. It was a fraud case not internet. To be conscious that you are ignorant of the facts is a great step towards Knowledge. Benjamin Disraeli
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: If I am a US citizen and living in say Chile I can ignore US law No, if you read my post completely, I said that if two laws contradict and you (as a US citizen) decide to go against the US law you should renounce to your US citizenship or face potential consecuences. So I think you misread my post ;) BTW, I am expressing my opinion, not any US law (at least that I am aware of)
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Tom Archer wrote: Of all the places I've lived, definitely my favourite! Yeah, I only visited really, but I did do some street art there and made some easy money etc. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Very cool! Do you have any images of work you've done? Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C# Please note that the opinions expressed in this correspondence do not necessarily reflect the views of the author.
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Very cool! Do you have any images of work you've done? Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C# Please note that the opinions expressed in this correspondence do not necessarily reflect the views of the author.
Tom Archer wrote: Do you have any images of work you've done? Ouch, I haven't touched a chalk pot in years. I'll have a look for some old photos next time I visit my old home and scan them. I don't know if you know Stutgart, but I spent a lot of lucrative Sundays there. :-) My main style was religeous parables. (pays better) :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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Just to let you know, I'm an American. And yes, without DARPA, the internet probably wouldn't exist. But, it is now an international entity and should be governed by an international organization. Jason Gerard
Jason Gerard wrote: But, it is now an international entity and should be governed by an international organization. So what you are saying is that any time the rest of the world starts to use something we create, we then have to live by the rules they create? I'm sorry but that is not how our country works. I'm not saying that we should be able to enforce our laws onto a .uk or .au domain, and I don't think that anyone in the US has tried this. There is no way in hell I would ever want to be told what to do by some 'international organization' on any subject. Do you really want the UN or the EU to start making laws that affect your life? The federal government already has too much power as it is, most matters should be delt with by the states. It is a sad day to see Americans so ready to take their rights and throw them to some globalized government to do with as they please. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
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Tom Archer wrote: Do you have any images of work you've done? Ouch, I haven't touched a chalk pot in years. I'll have a look for some old photos next time I visit my old home and scan them. I don't know if you know Stutgart, but I spent a lot of lucrative Sundays there. :-) My main style was religeous parables. (pays better) :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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When I was young, I went to school in Frankfurt (which is a bit north of Stutgart). I also worked for Holiday on Ice while in Amsterdam so I know many of the major surrounding towns pretty well. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing your work. Why did you stop? Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C# Please note that the opinions expressed in this correspondence do not necessarily reflect the views of the author.
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Tom Archer wrote: This is not true. So far, almost all judgements in Internet-related cases have been decided with the laws that govern where the server is. I was expresing my opinion on the cases you mentioned, sorry for not making it clear. And, I was talking about the US citizen not the server. The server operator shall abide by the laws governing his country, but the US citizen shall abide by US law. Where there are conflicts between legislations and the US citizen decides to go against US law, he must renounce to his citizenship or face the potential consecuences. Again, this is my opinion and I'm not a lawyer, so I may be completly wrong regarding US and foreign law conflicts for the US point of view.
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Checkout GUIDGen.NETI'm not sure a US citizen is bound by US law after leaving his country. It is law in America to drive on the right-hand side of the road, but if he were in England he would be breaking the law and could potentially harm people by driving on the right. I believe people should try to act within the laws of the society they're in since ignoring those laws could damage that society. Kevin
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The trouble with freedom is that it usually ends up being exploited as "freedom to do evil". Here in Canada we had a case of a man who was caught with pornographic stories he had written on his computer depicting kidnap, and graphic sexual torture of children. He was acquitted on the grounds that his work had "inherent artistic merit", and that he had freedom to write whatever he wanted to in the privacy of his own home. I'm all for freedom, but where do you draw the line? What happens if this same guy really does kidnap and sexually torture a young boy? Would that be consider "performance art" by the liberals of society? Once again the protection of the rights of criminals has outweighed the protection of society. :mad: Anyway, just another frustrated kevnar rant. Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
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When I was young, I went to school in Frankfurt (which is a bit north of Stutgart). I also worked for Holiday on Ice while in Amsterdam so I know many of the major surrounding towns pretty well. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing your work. Why did you stop? Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C# Please note that the opinions expressed in this correspondence do not necessarily reflect the views of the author.
Tom Archer wrote: I went to school in Frankfurt I have visited there as well, but then Europe is so easy to travel through with trains and public transport ! Tom Archer wrote: I also worked for Holiday on Ice while in Amsterdam I don't know what that is ? Tom Archer wrote: Why did you stop? I'm really not much of an artist Tom, at that time (early 80's) most of the folk doing it were doing color by numbers stuff. There were some real artists but many were like me. The more times you layed out the work and did it the better you got. :-) So I basically did the same picture multiple times in different cities. Saturday night and early Sunday morning I'd draw the pictures and Spend the rest of Sunday with my hat out. :-) Then another week traveling etc. After a couple of months I got sick of the life style and got involved in another activity Regardz Colin J Davies
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Tom Archer wrote: I went to school in Frankfurt I have visited there as well, but then Europe is so easy to travel through with trains and public transport ! Tom Archer wrote: I also worked for Holiday on Ice while in Amsterdam I don't know what that is ? Tom Archer wrote: Why did you stop? I'm really not much of an artist Tom, at that time (early 80's) most of the folk doing it were doing color by numbers stuff. There were some real artists but many were like me. The more times you layed out the work and did it the better you got. :-) So I basically did the same picture multiple times in different cities. Saturday night and early Sunday morning I'd draw the pictures and Spend the rest of Sunday with my hat out. :-) Then another week traveling etc. After a couple of months I got sick of the life style and got involved in another activity Regardz Colin J Davies
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****Colin Davies wrote: Tom Archer wrote: I also worked for Holiday on Ice while in Amsterdam I don't know what that is ? It's the largest ice-skating show in the world. They have two main offices (one in Amsterdam - since moved) and another in Bern. I wrote their box office reporting and itinerary systems and helped to write the accounting system. ****Colin Davies wrote: I'm really not much of an artist Tom,... You'd be surprised. To us people with zero talent, even paint-by-numbers people are gods :) Cheers, Tom Archer Author, Inside C# Please note that the opinions expressed in this correspondence do not necessarily reflect the views of the author.
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I'm not sure a US citizen is bound by US law after leaving his country. It is law in America to drive on the right-hand side of the road, but if he were in England he would be breaking the law and could potentially harm people by driving on the right. I believe people should try to act within the laws of the society they're in since ignoring those laws could damage that society. Kevin
Kevin Glover wrote: I'm not sure a US citizen is bound by US law after leaving his country. That's why I said that a US citizen has abide to US law and the foreign country's law.
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: If I am a US citizen and living in say Chile I can ignore US law No, if you read my post completely, I said that if two laws contradict and you (as a US citizen) decide to go against the US law you should renounce to your US citizenship or face potential consecuences. So I think you misread my post ;) BTW, I am expressing my opinion, not any US law (at least that I am aware of)
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Jason Gerard wrote: But, it is now an international entity and should be governed by an international organization. So what you are saying is that any time the rest of the world starts to use something we create, we then have to live by the rules they create? I'm sorry but that is not how our country works. I'm not saying that we should be able to enforce our laws onto a .uk or .au domain, and I don't think that anyone in the US has tried this. There is no way in hell I would ever want to be told what to do by some 'international organization' on any subject. Do you really want the UN or the EU to start making laws that affect your life? The federal government already has too much power as it is, most matters should be delt with by the states. It is a sad day to see Americans so ready to take their rights and throw them to some globalized government to do with as they please. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
Jack Handy wrote: So what you are saying is that any time the rest of the world starts to use something we create, we then have to live by the rules they create? Ok, education time!. What is the internet?, a bunch of interconnected servers that hosts data travelling from one end-point to another. I think it is impossible to say who actually came up with this idea first, but the implementation as we know it was, as everyone knows, initialized by DARPA. But NOONE owns the Internet as an entity, this happened when the remains of the DARPA project started to allow independant networks to hook on the 'Internet' as equal nodes. Jack Handy wrote: Do you really want the UN or the EU to start making laws that affect your life? What makes you think that everyone else wants the US to make laws that affect their lives?. Jan "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!"
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The trouble with freedom is that it usually ends up being exploited as "freedom to do evil". Here in Canada we had a case of a man who was caught with pornographic stories he had written on his computer depicting kidnap, and graphic sexual torture of children. He was acquitted on the grounds that his work had "inherent artistic merit", and that he had freedom to write whatever he wanted to in the privacy of his own home. I'm all for freedom, but where do you draw the line? What happens if this same guy really does kidnap and sexually torture a young boy? Would that be consider "performance art" by the liberals of society? Once again the protection of the rights of criminals has outweighed the protection of society. :mad: Anyway, just another frustrated kevnar rant. Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
I think the implementation of your opinions would criminalize quite a lot of the productions of Hollywood, every author of crime and horror stories, cartoon artists and just about every single newspaper reporting criminal stuff. Jan "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!"
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Jason Gerard wrote: Yes, but this means that an Adult website ran out of Europe or somewhere else would be in violation of U.S. law if it registered a .com domain whereas anywhere else in the world it would be perfectly legal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't America own/run/manage whatever you wanna say, .com .net and .org? I could be wrong on this, but even if I am, you guys should quit bitching about America trying to put laws on the internet and thank it for creating the thing in the first place. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
I could be wrong on this, but even if I am, you guys should quit bitching about America trying to put laws on the internet and thank it for creating the thing in the first place. And Americans wonder why people in the rest of the world have a problem with them. Seriously, if you can read that statement and not think of the arrogance that has gone into it. I mean everyone who had anything to do with the construction of computers, networks and all software must, of course, be American. My god man. Geez. Have fun, Paul Westcott.