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    NormDroid
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    I've managed to engineer out all dependancies to Crystal Reports (I hate it X| ). They've had nearly 10 years to produce a Micrsoft Style Reporting Product and still can't get it right. Well I've written my own engine, which produces output for Laser, PDF, Text, Excel., Html and RAW output to Dot Matrix Line Printers. It's written entirely in .net with a few P/Invokes and a call to GhostWriter. The reports themselves can be written in any .net lingo. I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer. So bye, bye Crystal can't say it's been great knowing you. :rose:

    We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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      I've managed to engineer out all dependancies to Crystal Reports (I hate it X| ). They've had nearly 10 years to produce a Micrsoft Style Reporting Product and still can't get it right. Well I've written my own engine, which produces output for Laser, PDF, Text, Excel., Html and RAW output to Dot Matrix Line Printers. It's written entirely in .net with a few P/Invokes and a call to GhostWriter. The reports themselves can be written in any .net lingo. I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer. So bye, bye Crystal can't say it's been great knowing you. :rose:

      We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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      NormDroid
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      Chris, is it possible to create a :rip: icon.

      We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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        I've managed to engineer out all dependancies to Crystal Reports (I hate it X| ). They've had nearly 10 years to produce a Micrsoft Style Reporting Product and still can't get it right. Well I've written my own engine, which produces output for Laser, PDF, Text, Excel., Html and RAW output to Dot Matrix Line Printers. It's written entirely in .net with a few P/Invokes and a call to GhostWriter. The reports themselves can be written in any .net lingo. I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer. So bye, bye Crystal can't say it's been great knowing you. :rose:

        We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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        Marc Clifton
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        norm .net wrote:

        I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer.

        If it compared favorable to DevExpress's report writer, I'd buy it! I'd like to divorce myself fro DevExpress as well--so bloated, quirky, and actually rather difficult for an average person to generate reports with, even using the wizard. But so far, it's the best tool I've seen. There's a report writer article here on Code Project, but it just didn't cut it, sad to say. Marc

        Thyme In The Country

        People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
        There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
        People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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          norm .net wrote:

          I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer.

          If it compared favorable to DevExpress's report writer, I'd buy it! I'd like to divorce myself fro DevExpress as well--so bloated, quirky, and actually rather difficult for an average person to generate reports with, even using the wizard. But so far, it's the best tool I've seen. There's a report writer article here on Code Project, but it just didn't cut it, sad to say. Marc

          Thyme In The Country

          People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
          There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
          People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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          Rama Krishna Vavilala
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          Marc Clifton wrote:

          I'd like to divorce myself fro DevExpress as well--so bloated, quirky

          Don't tell me that your decision is based on that mammoth .cs source code file?


          Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. -Brian Kernighan

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            norm .net wrote:

            I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer.

            If it compared favorable to DevExpress's report writer, I'd buy it! I'd like to divorce myself fro DevExpress as well--so bloated, quirky, and actually rather difficult for an average person to generate reports with, even using the wizard. But so far, it's the best tool I've seen. There's a report writer article here on Code Project, but it just didn't cut it, sad to say. Marc

            Thyme In The Country

            People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
            There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
            People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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            I've I'd love to show you the a medium sized management report, but you'd have to mail me offline at n_._a_l_m_o_n_d_@_h_o_t_m_a_i_l_._c_o_m, I'd like to see how it compares. Eventually I'd like to create a design tool/studio to front-end the report language.

            We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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              Marc Clifton wrote:

              I'd like to divorce myself fro DevExpress as well--so bloated, quirky

              Don't tell me that your decision is based on that mammoth .cs source code file?


              Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it. -Brian Kernighan

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              Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

              Don't tell me that your decision is based on that mammoth .cs source code file?

              No, more the assemblies that have to be linked in, and the usability issues. Marc

              Thyme In The Country

              People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
              There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
              People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                I've I'd love to show you the a medium sized management report, but you'd have to mail me offline at n_._a_l_m_o_n_d_@_h_o_t_m_a_i_l_._c_o_m, I'd like to see how it compares. Eventually I'd like to create a design tool/studio to front-end the report language.

                We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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                Marc Clifton
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                norm .net wrote:

                Eventually I'd like to create a design tool/studio to front-end the report language.

                Ah, that's actually the piece that is the most important. Sorry, I mistook what you were saying and thought you'd written the front-end also. Marc

                Thyme In The Country

                People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                  norm .net wrote:

                  Eventually I'd like to create a design tool/studio to front-end the report language.

                  Ah, that's actually the piece that is the most important. Sorry, I mistook what you were saying and thought you'd written the front-end also. Marc

                  Thyme In The Country

                  People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                  There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                  People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                  NormDroid
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                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                  Ah, that's actually the piece that is the most important. Sorry, I mistook what you were saying and thought you'd written the front-end also.

                  Not yet, but if want to see the code need to produce a medium sized report, you'd probably would'nt even need a front end for it. The reports themselves are Assembly (dlls) and invoked from the engine. e.g. Emerald.Loader.Run("MyReportAssembly", OutputType.PDF, @"c:\temp\myfile.pdf"); If you need a report to stream to multiple outputs you don't need to dup. code, the best way to show you is to mail me offline.

                  We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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                    Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                    Don't tell me that your decision is based on that mammoth .cs source code file?

                    No, more the assemblies that have to be linked in, and the usability issues. Marc

                    Thyme In The Country

                    People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                    There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                    People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                    Each report is an assembly and is loaded in using the plugin design pattern i.e. it must support IReport and reside in a specified directory for the engine to find it and execute it. You could even load the code file (.cs) compile then execute and do away with the assemblies altogether, essentially making the .cs files the actual scripts.

                    We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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                      norm .net wrote:

                      I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer.

                      If it compared favorable to DevExpress's report writer, I'd buy it! I'd like to divorce myself fro DevExpress as well--so bloated, quirky, and actually rather difficult for an average person to generate reports with, even using the wizard. But so far, it's the best tool I've seen. There's a report writer article here on Code Project, but it just didn't cut it, sad to say. Marc

                      Thyme In The Country

                      People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
                      There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
                      People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith

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                      I got frustrated using Crystal etc and started to write a replacement here[^] but got distracted when it came to the visual layout side of things. Perhaps i could send you the latest code and you could take it from there?

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                        I got frustrated using Crystal etc and started to write a replacement here[^] but got distracted when it came to the visual layout side of things. Perhaps i could send you the latest code and you could take it from there?

                        '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd

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                        NormDroid
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                        Looks ok (considering it's VB ;P), but it would be better developing one from scratching consider it would have to know about the report semantics. I'd probably go for a Visual Studio form designer type app. Anyway for now I'm using it to generate our companies reports, because it's not long winded to knock a report out (5-30 minutes) I'd probaby only bother I market it or users want to write their own reports.

                        We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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                          I've managed to engineer out all dependancies to Crystal Reports (I hate it X| ). They've had nearly 10 years to produce a Micrsoft Style Reporting Product and still can't get it right. Well I've written my own engine, which produces output for Laser, PDF, Text, Excel., Html and RAW output to Dot Matrix Line Printers. It's written entirely in .net with a few P/Invokes and a call to GhostWriter. The reports themselves can be written in any .net lingo. I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer. So bye, bye Crystal can't say it's been great knowing you. :rose:

                          We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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                          Has anybody tried the new Microsoft reporting stuff in VS2005? Is it any good?


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                            Has anybody tried the new Microsoft reporting stuff in VS2005? Is it any good?


                            "I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds

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                            It doesn't give you the granularity to create truly bespoke reports, it's always the same with these tools, the people who create/develop them don't actual use them.

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                              I've managed to engineer out all dependancies to Crystal Reports (I hate it X| ). They've had nearly 10 years to produce a Micrsoft Style Reporting Product and still can't get it right. Well I've written my own engine, which produces output for Laser, PDF, Text, Excel., Html and RAW output to Dot Matrix Line Printers. It's written entirely in .net with a few P/Invokes and a call to GhostWriter. The reports themselves can be written in any .net lingo. I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer. So bye, bye Crystal can't say it's been great knowing you. :rose:

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                              Dustin Metzgar
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                              It must be just a programmer thing to naturally type "byte" instead of "bye".


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                                It must be just a programmer thing to naturally type "byte" instead of "bye".


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                                NormDroid
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                                Freudian slip... :~

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                                  I've managed to engineer out all dependancies to Crystal Reports (I hate it X| ). They've had nearly 10 years to produce a Micrsoft Style Reporting Product and still can't get it right. Well I've written my own engine, which produces output for Laser, PDF, Text, Excel., Html and RAW output to Dot Matrix Line Printers. It's written entirely in .net with a few P/Invokes and a call to GhostWriter. The reports themselves can be written in any .net lingo. I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer. So bye, bye Crystal can't say it's been great knowing you. :rose:

                                  We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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                                  I was just having a conversation yesterday with a co-worker. In all the organizations we have been in, no one has been able to get Crystal running without problems.


                                  only two letters away from being an asset

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                                    Has anybody tried the new Microsoft reporting stuff in VS2005? Is it any good?


                                    "I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds

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                                    I have used it and consider it a good tool. Though I don't use it for very complex reports. It is certainly better than Crystal.


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                                      I've managed to engineer out all dependancies to Crystal Reports (I hate it X| ). They've had nearly 10 years to produce a Micrsoft Style Reporting Product and still can't get it right. Well I've written my own engine, which produces output for Laser, PDF, Text, Excel., Html and RAW output to Dot Matrix Line Printers. It's written entirely in .net with a few P/Invokes and a call to GhostWriter. The reports themselves can be written in any .net lingo. I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer. So bye, bye Crystal can't say it's been great knowing you. :rose:

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                                      Michael A Barnhart
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                                      norm .net wrote:

                                      I should market it, it's designed for developer by a developer.

                                      Looks like you have some interest. When do you plan to have it available?

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                                        I was just having a conversation yesterday with a co-worker. In all the organizations we have been in, no one has been able to get Crystal running without problems.


                                        only two letters away from being an asset

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                                        netclectic
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                                        I remember working for a company where we had been using crystal 7 in our app and it had been working flawlessy for ages until one client decided they wanted to upgrade their version of crystal. Basically the crystal support guy told us that the characteristic which had allowed our app to run flawlessly all this time was actually a bug in crystal which has now been fixed. Sorry, you app doesn't work any more but we won't be can't help you.

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                                          I was just having a conversation yesterday with a co-worker. In all the organizations we have been in, no one has been able to get Crystal running without problems.


                                          only two letters away from being an asset

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                                          NormDroid
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                                          Mark Nischalke wrote:

                                          n all the organizations we have been in, no one has been able to get Crystal running without problems

                                          Same old story, CR is too black box, trying to make it for dummies.

                                          We made the buttons on the screen look so good you'll want to lick them. Steve Jobs

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