German Nazi Party gains seats
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Rob Graham wrote:
I find it difficult to think of National Socialism as "right-wing"
Then clearly you don't understand the term. Just because the Nazis happened to have the word "socialism" in their name doesn't make them socialist. It's just one of history's little ironies.
Not really true. Hitler was every much anti-capitalist. Germany, being in a bad depression, gravitated toward state control and socialism.
My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Not if I have something to say/do about it!
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Not if I have something to say/do about it!
Are you going to use your Shorinji Kempo kenshi powers to stop it?
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yes they are
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Wjousts wrote:
doesn't make them socialist.
Since a basic premise of their philosophy is absolute detication to the state, and complete state control of the economy, I would say that they were indeed socialist. Left-wing does not preclude rasist, nor does right-wing imply it.
Rob Graham wrote:
Since a basic premise of their philosophy is absolute detication to the state
Which also happens to be an extreme right-wing, facist, philosophy. It is interesting that both ends of the political spectrum resemble each other so much in practice (another irony), but they are not the same and typically hate each other. Hence while the Nazis hated communists and had many members of the German communist parties arrested, deported and/or murdered.
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Just because they are right wing you call them Nazis? Why? Was Thatcher a Nazi? How about Pin Fortyne? How about Vlams Block? Front Nationale? edit-> Europe is moving to the right. It is only the spectre of Nazism that stops it moving faster. Le Pen (Front National in France) came second to Chirac in the run offs in 2001. Sweden yesterday elected a right wing government. Vlams Bloc has over 30% of the vote in northern Belgium. Holland elected Pin Firtuyne to power. Is it a bad thing? Many here complain about Islam, and the decay of western culture, the right wing will lessen that. <-edit
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fat_boy wrote:
Sweden yesterday elected a right wing government.
Liberal government, thank you. :)
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yes they are
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
It's confusion on both sides of the atlantic. I think it's time for mainstream media to use the two dimensional political measurements. That would put nazis on a left/authoritarian position. Maybe the "right wing" label comes from the fact that they are right of socialism (but not that much) on the economic scale..? :shrug:
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Not if I have something to say/do about it!
Are you going to use your Shorinji Kempo kenshi powers to stop it?
"Powers". :) I'll even pick up weapons if need be.
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"Powers". :) I'll even pick up weapons if need be.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I'll even pick up weapons if need be.
Can you even get weapons in Sweden?
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I'll even pick up weapons if need be.
Can you even get weapons in Sweden?
In case of war or threats of war, you'll be forced to pick up weapons if you're not disabled or too old.
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In case of war or threats of war, you'll be forced to pick up weapons if you're not disabled or too old.
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I dont think that Germany electing some conservatives indicates that war is comming. :rolleyes:
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I dont think that Germany electing some conservatives indicates that war is comming. :rolleyes:
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Score: 1.0 (3 votes). wrote:
I dont think that Germany electing some conservatives indicates that war is comming.
People said that 60 years ago
Josh Gray wrote:
People said that 60 years ago
I think it was well past that point in 1946.
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Josh Gray wrote:
People said that 60 years ago
I think it was well past that point in 1946.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Oh and f*** off you little c***
:|
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fat_boy wrote:
the right wing
I find it difficult to think of National Socialism as "right-wing" maybe extreme left wing, certainly statist, racist and collectivist, but hardly conservative or right-wing.
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fat_boy wrote:
Pin Firtuyne
Pim Fortuyn was not "far right", he was a social liberal, economic moderate and garish populist. He once debated a prominent dutch imam on live television, Pim flaunted his homosexuality, said imam snapped and went into a frothing at the mouth homophobic rant amply demonstrating his opponents point. That pretty much sums up the mans position. He was smeared as a Nazi (not least by the BBC) and killed by a crazed hippie who believed he was doing the right thing: "I confess to the shooting. He was an ever growing danger who would affect many people in society. I saw it as a danger. I hoped that I could solve it myself."
Ryan
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fat_boy wrote:
Sweden yesterday elected a right wing government.
Liberal government, thank you. :)
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OK, in that case our news is screwed. It was stated that a center right party had been elected. Is this not the case?
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It's a coalition of 4 parties: The moderate party (liberals), center party (liberals), people's party (liberals), christian democrats (conservative). It's right, if your point of view is from the left. I hold the opinion that it is center. Had the election been 20 years ago, then it would've been right wing. The center is what the parties are fighting for these days...
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It's a coalition of 4 parties: The moderate party (liberals), center party (liberals), people's party (liberals), christian democrats (conservative). It's right, if your point of view is from the left. I hold the opinion that it is center. Had the election been 20 years ago, then it would've been right wing. The center is what the parties are fighting for these days...
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
The center is what the parties are fighting for these days
True. The joke in the UK is that Blair is a blatant Thatcherite. And his closeness to Bush indicates this. The hardcore socialists in the party hate him.
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The National Democratic Party comfortably exceeded the 5 % hurdle necessary to win seats. It will now sit in the state's regional assembly in Schwerin for the first time.[^] :doh:
This morning's German papers, reporting on the poll and yesterday's election in Berlin, gave a gloomy reaction. Der Tagesspeigel said there was no point in pretending that the NPD's voters - most of them under the age of 30 - had somehow been tricked into voting for a bunch of unashamed racists. "Whoever voted for this party, knew what they were doing," the paper said.
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After reading the responses, I think it's time for me to say a few words. The NPD - which could not be forbidden a few years ago, but maybe will be forbidden very soon - is a "nothing". They gained over 5% only in eastern germany. The eastern states are special in three ways: 1) There is extremely high unemployment. I've read about towns in which 30% of the inhabitants are unemployed. People are even tired of raging against the system. 2) There are almost deserted areas in the east. All young and smart people moved away to find work in the west on in big cities. Many small villages in the east consist of nothing but old guys who were raised in the GDR and young idiots who are too stupid to finish school and find work somewhere else. Most "normal" voters already have left. Schools get closed down, empty houses are decaying, people are keen on any change they can imagine. 3) There are people voting for the Nazi party NPD. Well, how might point 3 be related to 1 and 2? Right, the eastern villages are not what we usually know as "Germany". In the rest of the country, AFAIK the NPD never gains more than 1% - and people have work and a future. Could it be that the unemployed Ossis are not all Nazis, but try to wake up the government? Some areas of eastern Germany are a piece of crap, while others plus the whole west are quite well off. Something has to happen over there, but no politician really cares about it. Now that the Nazis are holding one or two seats, the other parties will wake up... Greetings from western Germany, coco
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