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  • C Chris Losinger

    toxcct wrote:

    iterate through the array

    you can't use arrays

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    it was a pseudo code...


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      it was a pseudo code...


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      Chris Losinger
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      why does that matter? the original post said "no arrays".

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      • C Chris Losinger

        why does that matter? the original post said "no arrays".

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        because even if "iterate" is not the correct word, he can still traverse the array he'd have built...


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          because even if "iterate" is not the correct word, he can still traverse the array he'd have built...


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          cje
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          he said 'no arrays' which I think means no arrays not iterators

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            he said 'no arrays' which I think means no arrays not iterators

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            :~ sorry, don't get you...


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            • T toxcct

              while number received != -1
              store the number
              end while
              calculate the average
              iterate through the array constructed below
              if number in the iteration is above the average
              increment counter
              end if
              end iterations

              but the question is, WHY don't you want to use the STL ?? managing your own memory with such growing arrays are not good things to do by yourself...


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              David Crow
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              toxcct wrote:

              store the number

              To what?


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                :~ sorry, don't get you...


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                Semion_N
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                You just can't use arrays! You have no array at the beggining, the user writes for you the input number by number-NO ARRAYS!

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                  toxcct wrote:

                  store the number

                  To what?


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                  to the paper next to the keyboard...


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                  • S Semion_N

                    Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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                    David Crow
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                    While you can certainly compute the average without any additional storage, you'd still need to be able to go back through the set of numbers to pick out those greater than the average. Just for our edificaton, why the restriction? Is this your post, too?


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                    • S Semion_N

                      You just can't use arrays! You have no array at the beggining, the user writes for you the input number by number-NO ARRAYS!

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                      toxcct
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                      WTF !! even if you had a console program, by which the user typed all the values in a single line, you could still create an array (or an STL container), parse the string to extract the values, and store them then... if you don't explain your problem exactly, how can we guess what you're doing ? :confused:


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                        WTF !! even if you had a console program, by which the user typed all the values in a single line, you could still create an array (or an STL container), parse the string to extract the values, and store them then... if you don't explain your problem exactly, how can we guess what you're doing ? :confused:


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                        Semion_N
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                        the problem says that you mustn't use arrays or other allocation of memory.

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                          to the paper next to the keyboard...


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                          David Crow
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                          That'll work! It satisfies the requirements of not using a list, array, etc. :-D


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                          • S Semion_N

                            the problem says that you mustn't use arrays or other allocation of memory.

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                            toxcct
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                            then, no chance to resolve it ;P


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                              Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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                              Michael Dunn
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                              So what kind of storage are you allowed to use?

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                                So what kind of storage are you allowed to use?

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                                Semion_N
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                                just variables. int, float,char..

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                                  then, no chance to resolve it ;P


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                                  Semion_N
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                                  You say that there is no chanse to resolve it so can you prove it mathematiclly?

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                                    You say that there is no chanse to resolve it so can you prove it mathematiclly?

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                                    toxcct
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                                    i'm tired with your thread... go find someone else to bore


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                                      Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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                                      led mike
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                                      Can't you keep a running total and the number of inputs in two variables. Then you can calculate the average and of course half the number of variables is above the average. Or am I missing something?

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                                        Can't you keep a running total and the number of inputs in two variables. Then you can calculate the average and of course half the number of variables is above the average. Or am I missing something?

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                                        toxcct
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                                        missing something calculating the average "on the run" is easy to do with a float and an integer. but to tell how many of the inputs were upper than the average... no chance if you don't store the datas...


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                                          Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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                                          Maximilien
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                                          it's not possible; as soon as you receive a new number the average will be modified, and since you cannot keep an history of the values already read, there is no way of determining what numbers that you already read that are above or below the average. (unproven, and unverified ) The problem with the average is that you can have a new value that will completly "unbalance" the computed average, for example you have a series of values in the [1, 10] range, the average will be between those 2 values, but if at some point you have a very large value, it will mess the result, and statistically the result will not be valid, unless you can filter out those bad values. ( but I expect someone to come with a brilliant mathematical answer that will awe us )


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