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  • S Semion_N

    You just can't use arrays! You have no array at the beggining, the user writes for you the input number by number-NO ARRAYS!

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    toxcct
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    WTF !! even if you had a console program, by which the user typed all the values in a single line, you could still create an array (or an STL container), parse the string to extract the values, and store them then... if you don't explain your problem exactly, how can we guess what you're doing ? :confused:


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      WTF !! even if you had a console program, by which the user typed all the values in a single line, you could still create an array (or an STL container), parse the string to extract the values, and store them then... if you don't explain your problem exactly, how can we guess what you're doing ? :confused:


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      Semion_N
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      the problem says that you mustn't use arrays or other allocation of memory.

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      • T toxcct

        to the paper next to the keyboard...


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        David Crow
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        That'll work! It satisfies the requirements of not using a list, array, etc. :-D


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        • S Semion_N

          the problem says that you mustn't use arrays or other allocation of memory.

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          toxcct
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          then, no chance to resolve it ;P


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          • S Semion_N

            Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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            Michael Dunn
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            So what kind of storage are you allowed to use?

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              So what kind of storage are you allowed to use?

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              Semion_N
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              just variables. int, float,char..

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              • T toxcct

                then, no chance to resolve it ;P


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                Semion_N
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                You say that there is no chanse to resolve it so can you prove it mathematiclly?

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                • S Semion_N

                  You say that there is no chanse to resolve it so can you prove it mathematiclly?

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                  toxcct
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                  i'm tired with your thread... go find someone else to bore


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                  • S Semion_N

                    Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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                    led mike
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                    Can't you keep a running total and the number of inputs in two variables. Then you can calculate the average and of course half the number of variables is above the average. Or am I missing something?

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                    • L led mike

                      Can't you keep a running total and the number of inputs in two variables. Then you can calculate the average and of course half the number of variables is above the average. Or am I missing something?

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                      missing something calculating the average "on the run" is easy to do with a float and an integer. but to tell how many of the inputs were upper than the average... no chance if you don't store the datas...


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                      • S Semion_N

                        Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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                        Maximilien
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                        it's not possible; as soon as you receive a new number the average will be modified, and since you cannot keep an history of the values already read, there is no way of determining what numbers that you already read that are above or below the average. (unproven, and unverified ) The problem with the average is that you can have a new value that will completly "unbalance" the computed average, for example you have a series of values in the [1, 10] range, the average will be between those 2 values, but if at some point you have a very large value, it will mess the result, and statistically the result will not be valid, unless you can filter out those bad values. ( but I expect someone to come with a brilliant mathematical answer that will awe us )


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                        • L led mike

                          Can't you keep a running total and the number of inputs in two variables. Then you can calculate the average and of course half the number of variables is above the average. Or am I missing something?

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                          David Crow
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                          led mike wrote:

                          ...of course half the number of variables is above the average. Or am I missing something?

                          That outliers can skew things quite a bit. Given the set {1, 2, 5, 7, 10, 18}, the average is 7.1. Four numbers in the set are below this, and two numbers are above.


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                          • S Semion_N

                            Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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                            benjymous
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                            I'm guessing recursion is your friend here, assuming a magic computer that'll never stack overflow Pseudo-C-ish-code

                            above_average = 0;

                            void main()
                            {
                            doit(0,0)
                            print( above_average " of your numbers were above average )
                            }

                            int doit( int sum, int count )
                            {
                            print( "enter number, -1 to end" );
                            int input
                            get input from keyboard

                            int average;
                            if input == -1
                            {
                            average = sum/count
                            }
                            else
                            {
                            average = doit(sum+input, count+1)
                            if( input > average )
                            {
                            above_average++
                            }
                            }
                            return average
                            }

                            Now remember, your lecturer is probably reading these forums.... (Technically, this is using a stack, just not the kind of stack most people would think of!)

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                            • B benjymous

                              I'm guessing recursion is your friend here, assuming a magic computer that'll never stack overflow Pseudo-C-ish-code

                              above_average = 0;

                              void main()
                              {
                              doit(0,0)
                              print( above_average " of your numbers were above average )
                              }

                              int doit( int sum, int count )
                              {
                              print( "enter number, -1 to end" );
                              int input
                              get input from keyboard

                              int average;
                              if input == -1
                              {
                              average = sum/count
                              }
                              else
                              {
                              average = doit(sum+input, count+1)
                              if( input > average )
                              {
                              above_average++
                              }
                              }
                              return average
                              }

                              Now remember, your lecturer is probably reading these forums.... (Technically, this is using a stack, just not the kind of stack most people would think of!)

                              -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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                              David Crow
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                              benjymous wrote:

                              (Technically, this is using a stack, just not the kind of stack most people would think of!)

                              Declaring variables and calling functions would violate the "no stack" requirement! Nice solution, BTW.


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                              • B benjymous

                                I'm guessing recursion is your friend here, assuming a magic computer that'll never stack overflow Pseudo-C-ish-code

                                above_average = 0;

                                void main()
                                {
                                doit(0,0)
                                print( above_average " of your numbers were above average )
                                }

                                int doit( int sum, int count )
                                {
                                print( "enter number, -1 to end" );
                                int input
                                get input from keyboard

                                int average;
                                if input == -1
                                {
                                average = sum/count
                                }
                                else
                                {
                                average = doit(sum+input, count+1)
                                if( input > average )
                                {
                                above_average++
                                }
                                }
                                return average
                                }

                                Now remember, your lecturer is probably reading these forums.... (Technically, this is using a stack, just not the kind of stack most people would think of!)

                                -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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                                Chris Losinger
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                                nice

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                                • T toxcct

                                  missing something calculating the average "on the run" is easy to do with a float and an integer. but to tell how many of the inputs were upper than the average... no chance if you don't store the datas...


                                  TOXCCT >>> GEII power

                                  [VisualCalc 3.0 updated ][Flags Beginner's Guide new! ]

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                                  led mike
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                                  ooops :->

                                  led mike

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                                  • S Semion_N

                                    You say that there is no chanse to resolve it so can you prove it mathematiclly?

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                                    Hamid Taebi
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                                    Do you have any idea about it?:)


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