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  • S Semion_N

    Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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    Michael Dunn
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    So what kind of storage are you allowed to use?

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      So what kind of storage are you allowed to use?

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      Semion_N
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      just variables. int, float,char..

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      • T toxcct

        then, no chance to resolve it ;P


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        Semion_N
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        You say that there is no chanse to resolve it so can you prove it mathematiclly?

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        • S Semion_N

          You say that there is no chanse to resolve it so can you prove it mathematiclly?

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          toxcct
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          i'm tired with your thread... go find someone else to bore


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          • S Semion_N

            Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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            led mike
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            Can't you keep a running total and the number of inputs in two variables. Then you can calculate the average and of course half the number of variables is above the average. Or am I missing something?

            led mike

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            • L led mike

              Can't you keep a running total and the number of inputs in two variables. Then you can calculate the average and of course half the number of variables is above the average. Or am I missing something?

              led mike

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              toxcct
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              missing something calculating the average "on the run" is easy to do with a float and an integer. but to tell how many of the inputs were upper than the average... no chance if you don't store the datas...


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              • S Semion_N

                Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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                Maximilien
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                it's not possible; as soon as you receive a new number the average will be modified, and since you cannot keep an history of the values already read, there is no way of determining what numbers that you already read that are above or below the average. (unproven, and unverified ) The problem with the average is that you can have a new value that will completly "unbalance" the computed average, for example you have a series of values in the [1, 10] range, the average will be between those 2 values, but if at some point you have a very large value, it will mess the result, and statistically the result will not be valid, unless you can filter out those bad values. ( but I expect someone to come with a brilliant mathematical answer that will awe us )


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                • L led mike

                  Can't you keep a running total and the number of inputs in two variables. Then you can calculate the average and of course half the number of variables is above the average. Or am I missing something?

                  led mike

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                  David Crow
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                  led mike wrote:

                  ...of course half the number of variables is above the average. Or am I missing something?

                  That outliers can skew things quite a bit. Given the set {1, 2, 5, 7, 10, 18}, the average is 7.1. Four numbers in the set are below this, and two numbers are above.


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                  • S Semion_N

                    Does anyone know an algorithm that recieves an unknown amount of numbers(it stops when it recieves -1) and calculates how many of them are above the average without using an array, list, vector, stack, file ect.? Is it even possible?

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                    I'm guessing recursion is your friend here, assuming a magic computer that'll never stack overflow Pseudo-C-ish-code

                    above_average = 0;

                    void main()
                    {
                    doit(0,0)
                    print( above_average " of your numbers were above average )
                    }

                    int doit( int sum, int count )
                    {
                    print( "enter number, -1 to end" );
                    int input
                    get input from keyboard

                    int average;
                    if input == -1
                    {
                    average = sum/count
                    }
                    else
                    {
                    average = doit(sum+input, count+1)
                    if( input > average )
                    {
                    above_average++
                    }
                    }
                    return average
                    }

                    Now remember, your lecturer is probably reading these forums.... (Technically, this is using a stack, just not the kind of stack most people would think of!)

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                      I'm guessing recursion is your friend here, assuming a magic computer that'll never stack overflow Pseudo-C-ish-code

                      above_average = 0;

                      void main()
                      {
                      doit(0,0)
                      print( above_average " of your numbers were above average )
                      }

                      int doit( int sum, int count )
                      {
                      print( "enter number, -1 to end" );
                      int input
                      get input from keyboard

                      int average;
                      if input == -1
                      {
                      average = sum/count
                      }
                      else
                      {
                      average = doit(sum+input, count+1)
                      if( input > average )
                      {
                      above_average++
                      }
                      }
                      return average
                      }

                      Now remember, your lecturer is probably reading these forums.... (Technically, this is using a stack, just not the kind of stack most people would think of!)

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                      David Crow
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                      benjymous wrote:

                      (Technically, this is using a stack, just not the kind of stack most people would think of!)

                      Declaring variables and calling functions would violate the "no stack" requirement! Nice solution, BTW.


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                      • B benjymous

                        I'm guessing recursion is your friend here, assuming a magic computer that'll never stack overflow Pseudo-C-ish-code

                        above_average = 0;

                        void main()
                        {
                        doit(0,0)
                        print( above_average " of your numbers were above average )
                        }

                        int doit( int sum, int count )
                        {
                        print( "enter number, -1 to end" );
                        int input
                        get input from keyboard

                        int average;
                        if input == -1
                        {
                        average = sum/count
                        }
                        else
                        {
                        average = doit(sum+input, count+1)
                        if( input > average )
                        {
                        above_average++
                        }
                        }
                        return average
                        }

                        Now remember, your lecturer is probably reading these forums.... (Technically, this is using a stack, just not the kind of stack most people would think of!)

                        -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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                        Chris Losinger
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                        nice

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                        • T toxcct

                          missing something calculating the average "on the run" is easy to do with a float and an integer. but to tell how many of the inputs were upper than the average... no chance if you don't store the datas...


                          TOXCCT >>> GEII power

                          [VisualCalc 3.0 updated ][Flags Beginner's Guide new! ]

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                          led mike
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                          ooops :->

                          led mike

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                          • S Semion_N

                            You say that there is no chanse to resolve it so can you prove it mathematiclly?

                            SnaidiS(Semion)

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                            Hamid Taebi
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                            Do you have any idea about it?:)


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