Undisciplined Programming
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SQA. Guess what my job is :-D Elaine :rose:
I worked in SQA for 6 months but I liked coding to much. I know what will probably happen on this project. We'll get to the end and they will get the single success path going. We'll run it for SQA and be embarrased. Or SQA will ask for error's to be injected and it will crash and burn. Then there will be lots of overtime!
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"After he fixed it we repeated this 2 more times with different problems this afternoon. He was really mad at me and told me to stop picking on his code." Sounds like you got the makings of a good developer in that guy :-) Nobody likes testing!!! Don't give up dude, it will be more rewarding at the end of the day if you keep up the struggle and win :-)
"a fool will not learn from a wise man, but a wise man will learn from a fool" "It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed." - Theodore Roosevelt "Success is going from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
cykophysh39 wrote:
Sounds like you got the makings of a good developer in that guy Nobody likes testing!!! Don't give up dude, it will be more rewarding at the end of the day if you keep up the struggle and win
Thanks, I won't give up but I'll piss off several people. I'll do my best on my stuff and to protect my code from there's. I'll do what I can to make sure they test their stuff but when they get mad at me for finding errors in their stuff, it's tough.
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Ryan Binns wrote:
As a hardware guy who also does software, I can assure you that I take just as much care with my software as I do with my hardware. As my dad always taught me, if something's worth doing, it's worth doing properly
Can I borrow your dad? I total agree with you. I'm a software guy who does hardware and I usually take extra time on the hardware to make sure I do it right. These guys say the hardware is what's important so you can slack on the software.
And that's why there's no such thing as a reliable DVR...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Hey - I work for an entire company like that. I do the user interfaces for our products. You wouldn't believe the tantrums I have to throw in order to address the most minor usability issues.
Software Zen:
delete this;Word!
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
cykophysh39 wrote:
Sounds like you got the makings of a good developer in that guy Nobody likes testing!!! Don't give up dude, it will be more rewarding at the end of the day if you keep up the struggle and win
Thanks, I won't give up but I'll piss off several people. I'll do my best on my stuff and to protect my code from there's. I'll do what I can to make sure they test their stuff but when they get mad at me for finding errors in their stuff, it's tough.
is there no way that you could introduce a "Peer Code review" ? I remember at the start of my carreer, I had to submit all the code I written to my senior programmer for review, I used to hate it as he would always send it back with some defects I was told to review and an explanation why it was a defect. I was over the moon 6 months later when I submitted some work, and it never came back!! And the same Senior came up to me and said I had written some good code!! It appealed to my competitive spirit as I wanted to win!! :-)
"a fool will not learn from a wise man, but a wise man will learn from a fool" "It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed." - Theodore Roosevelt "Success is going from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
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And that's why there's no such thing as a reliable DVR...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
The next time he complains about me finding a problem in his code (probably later this morning) I'm going to use your Dale Earnhardt qoute on him. Thanks
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is there no way that you could introduce a "Peer Code review" ? I remember at the start of my carreer, I had to submit all the code I written to my senior programmer for review, I used to hate it as he would always send it back with some defects I was told to review and an explanation why it was a defect. I was over the moon 6 months later when I submitted some work, and it never came back!! And the same Senior came up to me and said I had written some good code!! It appealed to my competitive spirit as I wanted to win!! :-)
"a fool will not learn from a wise man, but a wise man will learn from a fool" "It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed." - Theodore Roosevelt "Success is going from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
cykophysh39 wrote:
is there no way that you could introduce a "Peer Code review" ?
Our processes say we're suppose to do peer reviews. I have my code peer reviewed. However, since people take our process as a suggestion and there is no checks to make sure we're following the process, people don't usually do it and let problems be found in integration. We have peer review training but the guys in the group I'm in that have gone have come out saying that doesn't apply to them. It's very frustrating. I would transfer back to our pure software group but I like making the hardware do things.
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cykophysh39 wrote:
is there no way that you could introduce a "Peer Code review" ?
Our processes say we're suppose to do peer reviews. I have my code peer reviewed. However, since people take our process as a suggestion and there is no checks to make sure we're following the process, people don't usually do it and let problems be found in integration. We have peer review training but the guys in the group I'm in that have gone have come out saying that doesn't apply to them. It's very frustrating. I would transfer back to our pure software group but I like making the hardware do things.
well now you have no other choice but to roll on the ground kick and screaming till you get your way!! :-)
"a fool will not learn from a wise man, but a wise man will learn from a fool" "It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed." - Theodore Roosevelt "Success is going from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
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well now you have no other choice but to roll on the ground kick and screaming till you get your way!! :-)
"a fool will not learn from a wise man, but a wise man will learn from a fool" "It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed." - Theodore Roosevelt "Success is going from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
cykophysh39 wrote:
well now you have no other choice but to roll on the ground kick and screaming till you get your way!!
Or change projects. We have one that is suppose to be coming up next year that I want to work on. I've worked with the boss before and he is very good at getting people to do what's right. In fact, I think he had one of the guys I work with now moved off one of his project becasue the guy wouldn't follow the rules. [this company doesn't fire people for incompetence, they're afraid of lawsuits]
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Ryan Binns wrote:
As a hardware guy who also does software, I can assure you that I take just as much care with my software as I do with my hardware. As my dad always taught me, if something's worth doing, it's worth doing properly
Can I borrow your dad? I total agree with you. I'm a software guy who does hardware and I usually take extra time on the hardware to make sure I do it right. These guys say the hardware is what's important so you can slack on the software.
Joe Q wrote:
Can I borrow your dad?
Sure, no worries :rolleyes:
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
