WW2 and Japanese
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>> You think that what you were taught in school is 'true history' ? I am talking about what my child will be taught at school, which, is aa place that teach them the "true" or the "false".
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I am talking about what my child will be taught at school, which, is aa place that teach them the "true" or the "false".
So you made sure that your child already knows that Spanish and English hunted native american children and women and fed them to their dogs? Some how I think that was skipped in American education also. You will learn how nice we were to native americans, and skip the whole torture and mass killing of heathens. The complete ellimination of the tribes who refused to wear clothing, as innocent as children and weapons completely unknown to them, they were killed to every man women and child for sport and religious reasons.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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You think that what you were taught in school is 'true history' ? I think you're overreacting. You read something in a paper, so you're making gross assumptions about Japanese culture - do you think that each successive generation of Japanese should be given a massive guilt trip about the past ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
do you think that each successive generation of Japanese should be given a massive guilt trip about the past
I don't think every Japanese should fell guilty about the past, but I think they should never deny the reality. On this point, German do much much better than Japanese.
Thanks Benben
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Yes, actually. So long as I am involved enough to step in and explain that not everything you read is true. I see now you're saying that they are being taught a *different* history, and not just no history from that period. That's a little more insidious, although it still wouldn't stop me from moving there, and making sure my kids got a balanced view. But, I do that anyhow, anywhere.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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I'm not familiar with these exact issues - but I also think that guilting countries for past crime should be limited to the generation that they were committed and not passed onto to their children. To do so is racist.
A cynic is a man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.
-H.L. MenckenJWood wrote:
...but I also think that guilting countries for past crime should be limited to the generation that they were committed and not passed onto to their children.
Remember those you suffered the pains are still living. Telling them to shut up for that is racism is difficult to understand. Best regards, Paul.
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JWood wrote:
...but I also think that guilting countries for past crime should be limited to the generation that they were committed and not passed onto to their children.
Remember those you suffered the pains are still living. Telling them to shut up for that is racism is difficult to understand. Best regards, Paul.
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JWood wrote:
Geez it was 60 years ago - I think there are more pressing issues.
But those held responsible for the war are being honored here currently, the source of the tension between Japan/Korea, Japan/China. The poorer countries have no choice but to shut up, since they still rely heavily on Japanese assistance. Best regards, Paul.
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Paul Selormey wrote:
But those held responsible for the war are being honored here currently
happens in every country. The soldiers who killed women and children, shot in the back, at Wounded Knee were given the medal of honor for their actions. No one wants to teache a truth that is bad for them. Almost everyone is guilty of attrocities equal to the other countries, we gloss over them in every war, in every conflict, we excuse them even up to the modern day. Truth is irrelevant, to speak out against your own country is against nationalism, and nationalism is the new patriotism in every country. You really don't want to study the real history of most countries. Even Japan has their bloodiest war not in WWII, but in the 100 year war where most of the population of the island was killed... man woman and child alike. The slaughters in Europe are repeated every few generations, just as they are in other countries. You forget, because you want to forget, because it is good to forget. Those who actually study history know that death and carnage is the rule of almost all civilizations throughout history. It is very hard to tell one country to feel guilty for ages when your country didn't want to either.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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The problem is WHO is not guilty of such things. To go off on the japanese because they lost a war while other countries' crimes are ignored is morally absurd.
Like, presumably, children in the US are told about the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, for example? Or not? I actually know hardly anything about WW2 that didn't occur in Europe. I don't even know what Japan had to do with it. Were they actual part of "WW2" as it happened in Europe, or were they just having a war at the same time? And what was the US doing in any of it?
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I read news that many new generation Japanese do not have a clue on how and what the Japanese had done to hurt people around the world during WW2. Is this how the majority think in Japan? I got a job offer from japan but is worrying about this. I really don't want my child to grow under such an environment.
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Japanese aren't like that anymore. Infact, they have some of the highest technology there (including Sony). There's nothing wrong with Japan, they're cool!
Theo only thing i dont like about Japan is that they have banned firearms, but they probably dont need them because they probably have a less violent society than America.
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Paul Selormey wrote:
But those held responsible for the war are being honored here currently
happens in every country. The soldiers who killed women and children, shot in the back, at Wounded Knee were given the medal of honor for their actions. No one wants to teache a truth that is bad for them. Almost everyone is guilty of attrocities equal to the other countries, we gloss over them in every war, in every conflict, we excuse them even up to the modern day. Truth is irrelevant, to speak out against your own country is against nationalism, and nationalism is the new patriotism in every country. You really don't want to study the real history of most countries. Even Japan has their bloodiest war not in WWII, but in the 100 year war where most of the population of the island was killed... man woman and child alike. The slaughters in Europe are repeated every few generations, just as they are in other countries. You forget, because you want to forget, because it is good to forget. Those who actually study history know that death and carnage is the rule of almost all civilizations throughout history. It is very hard to tell one country to feel guilty for ages when your country didn't want to either.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
You are absolutely right. The most important part IMHO is how people in whatever country behave TODAY. Once and again on the news, North Korea may have been heaven itself yesterday but today is a menace to us all. And, besides, from what I know of many trips to Japan, I wish folks at home where a tenth as civilized TODAY.
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You are absolutely right. The most important part IMHO is how people in whatever country behave TODAY. Once and again on the news, North Korea may have been heaven itself yesterday but today is a menace to us all. And, besides, from what I know of many trips to Japan, I wish folks at home where a tenth as civilized TODAY.
DaTxomin wrote:
The most important part IMHO is how people in whatever country behave TODAY.
still doesn't happen. You talk about this as if it is a shock. Folks are no more civilized today than they were 100 years ago, or 200 years ago, or 1000 years ago.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Like, presumably, children in the US are told about the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, for example? Or not? I actually know hardly anything about WW2 that didn't occur in Europe. I don't even know what Japan had to do with it. Were they actual part of "WW2" as it happened in Europe, or were they just having a war at the same time? And what was the US doing in any of it?
Sure they are. I was, at least. However, nothing was said about the massive fire-bombings targeting civilians in japanese cities that kill far more than the atomic holocaust. Even less details are given when it comes to the genocide of native americans. The evil spaniards did it all... even if they were kicked out of the continent 200 years before!!! Regarding Europe, the nazis were charged with bombing cities (again targeting civilians) while the allies utterly destroyed everything in their path and not a word of it yet.
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I know exactly what you mean. So, I ask again, do you think the history taught where you live is without bias ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
I know exactly what you mean. So, I ask again, do you think the history taught where you live is without bias ?
The history books in the schools are designed to make white children feel ashamed and guilty over slavery and the "Civil rights movement".
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DaTxomin wrote:
The most important part IMHO is how people in whatever country behave TODAY.
still doesn't happen. You talk about this as if it is a shock. Folks are no more civilized today than they were 100 years ago, or 200 years ago, or 1000 years ago.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
They may not be but life in societies that are. While the exploits of destruction have increased dramatically (the soviets, for example, managed to exterminate 100 million of their compatriots), modern societies have advanced also dramatically in terms of individual rights. Things have gotten worse but also better. Besides, if you consider japan, for instance, it is an issue of madness. The japan of today has nothing to do with the japan of 70 years ago. Today's society is far more relaxed and certainly not physically violent in any apparent way.
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The problem is WHO is not guilty of such things. To go off on the japanese because they lost a war while other countries' crimes are ignored is morally absurd.
DaTxomin wrote:
The problem is WHO is not guilty of such things.
Is not about being guilty. It is about glorifying the events, while telling victims but I have apologized. Best regards, Paul.
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DaTxomin wrote:
The problem is WHO is not guilty of such things.
Is not about being guilty. It is about glorifying the events, while telling victims but I have apologized. Best regards, Paul.
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Are you talking about the crimes committed by your own country? You must be. Please provide a list of crimes, apologies, and proof of absence of self-glorification of your country. It would be nice to hear you are coherent or, at least, that such a magnificent nation of yours actually exists.
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Are you talking about the crimes committed by your own country? You must be. Please provide a list of crimes, apologies, and proof of absence of self-glorification of your country. It would be nice to hear you are coherent or, at least, that such a magnificent nation of yours actually exists.
DaTxomin wrote:
It would be nice to hear you are coherent or, at least, that such a magnificent nation of yours actually exists.
Funny, you think everybody is an Japanese/European/USAmerican? I am a Ghanaian, we have never attacked or commited any crime against nation - prove me wrong or stop the nonsense. Best regards, Paul.
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I read news that many new generation Japanese do not have a clue on how and what the Japanese had done to hurt people around the world during WW2. Is this how the majority think in Japan? I got a job offer from japan but is worrying about this. I really don't want my child to grow under such an environment.
So do you know who Lt. Calley is? Do you think all American's are capable of what Lt. Calley did and do you think it should always be held against us? Here's a clue for you and you need to catch it. If you want your children to believe and be aware of something (make sure *you* have *your* facts straight first) it's your job to teach them and inform them and *HATE* should have no part in it. If I was going to live in Japan I would embrace their culture and bask in it. If I wanted my children to understand something I'd teach them no matter where I was and I would not leave it up to others to do what I should be doing...
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DaTxomin wrote:
It would be nice to hear you are coherent or, at least, that such a magnificent nation of yours actually exists.
Funny, you think everybody is an Japanese/European/USAmerican? I am a Ghanaian, we have never attacked or commited any crime against nation - prove me wrong or stop the nonsense. Best regards, Paul.
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote:
prove me wrong or stop the nonsense
The nonsense being your moral superiority together with your particular vendetta against japanese? Curious twist to avoid the heart of the issue. Would your _presumably_ (you claim) perfect country justify any arbitrary accusation you make? Hardly although you dearly hope so, it seems. Funny, morover, that YOU say everyone assumes you are Japanese/European/USAmerican. Are you saying that those that you mention are also in your list of evil nations that glorify crimes against humanity (in contrast with your peace loving country, of course)? And, therefore, aren't you basically saying that MOST countries fall short on these issues (you forgot asian/african nations but to insist on their innocence is absurd)? So, the bottom line is, why do YOU make exception on the japanese? There lies the/your nonsense.
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Paul Selormey wrote:
prove me wrong or stop the nonsense
The nonsense being your moral superiority together with your particular vendetta against japanese? Curious twist to avoid the heart of the issue. Would your _presumably_ (you claim) perfect country justify any arbitrary accusation you make? Hardly although you dearly hope so, it seems. Funny, morover, that YOU say everyone assumes you are Japanese/European/USAmerican. Are you saying that those that you mention are also in your list of evil nations that glorify crimes against humanity (in contrast with your peace loving country, of course)? And, therefore, aren't you basically saying that MOST countries fall short on these issues (you forgot asian/african nations but to insist on their innocence is absurd)? So, the bottom line is, why do YOU make exception on the japanese? There lies the/your nonsense.
DaTxomin wrote:
The nonsense being your moral superiority together with your particular vendetta against japanese?
Nonsense, I live and work here in Japan and I have nothing against the Japanese, and I do not know the number of times you have visited here to claim to know more about Japan. At least I listen to news everyday and in Japanese.
DaTxomin wrote:
Curious twist to avoid the heart of the issue.
...and what is the heart of the issue here?
DaTxomin wrote:
Are you saying that those that you mention are also in your list of evil nations that glorify crimes against humanity (in contrast with your peace loving country, of course)?
They seems to follow the pattern you seems to be dragging this topic into, and that no one is qualify to talk about it. You asked (as to whether it is related to the topic - only you can tell)...
It would be nice to hear you are coherent or, at least, that such a magnificent nation of yours actually exists.
...and I provided you one.
DaTxomin wrote:
So, the bottom line is, why do YOU make exception on the japanese? There lies the/your nonsense.
Do I have to remind you of the topic? Best regards, Paul.
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.