Vista Licensing revisited..
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That licensing sucks. However, according to everything I've read, microsoft counts a quad core processor as one processor. From one of their licensing briefs: For most currently shipping Microsoft software with processor limits, each processor counts as a single processor regardless of the number of cores and/or threads that the processor contains. For example, Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition can be used on a four-processor system, whether the processors in the system are single-core, hyperthreaded, or multicore.
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Right, they count the number of sockets, not the number of pipelines inside the package.
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http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx[^] A while back on in the Lounge we were talking about the new licensing. It is offical though, "retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever! I had thought this would only apply to OEM (which would make more sense), but it is not, it is for th retail version. Gamers who update their systems more than most people change socks will get bit hard by this one. One issue we had hoped for is that they would allow the system to power up to five machines as does Apple, but that is not happening either. Additionally, they are forcing periodic revaluations your license which if you do not allow to occur, will cripple your system until you do. This means that you system MUST be connected to internet at some point to validate. Another funny point is that the software is only licensed to use "up to" two processors. Guess you have to run Server if you are going to use a quad core... There are also a few limitations for virtual servers and may only use if using Vista Ultimate. Oh, but the bright side is that they have extended their "warranty" to 1 year.. Oh, doesn't it just give you chills all over... I do not know what the people at Microsoft are smoking, but I small a fall coming if they do not get a clue quickly! :zzz: So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days? ;)
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Windows Vista - My Journey begins!
They need family/small business licenses. It's only $30 less per each additional license of the Business edition. That adds up to $1100 for the 4 computers in my business/family. I can't afford it. It's insane that I can't afford an OS. Most families own more than one computer nowadays. I was dying to buy Vista when it came out, but now I can't.
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http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx[^] A while back on in the Lounge we were talking about the new licensing. It is offical though, "retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever! I had thought this would only apply to OEM (which would make more sense), but it is not, it is for th retail version. Gamers who update their systems more than most people change socks will get bit hard by this one. One issue we had hoped for is that they would allow the system to power up to five machines as does Apple, but that is not happening either. Additionally, they are forcing periodic revaluations your license which if you do not allow to occur, will cripple your system until you do. This means that you system MUST be connected to internet at some point to validate. Another funny point is that the software is only licensed to use "up to" two processors. Guess you have to run Server if you are going to use a quad core... There are also a few limitations for virtual servers and may only use if using Vista Ultimate. Oh, but the bright side is that they have extended their "warranty" to 1 year.. Oh, doesn't it just give you chills all over... I do not know what the people at Microsoft are smoking, but I small a fall coming if they do not get a clue quickly! :zzz: So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days? ;)
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Windows Vista - My Journey begins!
It sounds a little harsh. If I pay money for an OS I expect to be able to migrate it from one computer to the next.
Steve
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http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx[^] A while back on in the Lounge we were talking about the new licensing. It is offical though, "retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever! I had thought this would only apply to OEM (which would make more sense), but it is not, it is for th retail version. Gamers who update their systems more than most people change socks will get bit hard by this one. One issue we had hoped for is that they would allow the system to power up to five machines as does Apple, but that is not happening either. Additionally, they are forcing periodic revaluations your license which if you do not allow to occur, will cripple your system until you do. This means that you system MUST be connected to internet at some point to validate. Another funny point is that the software is only licensed to use "up to" two processors. Guess you have to run Server if you are going to use a quad core... There are also a few limitations for virtual servers and may only use if using Vista Ultimate. Oh, but the bright side is that they have extended their "warranty" to 1 year.. Oh, doesn't it just give you chills all over... I do not know what the people at Microsoft are smoking, but I small a fall coming if they do not get a clue quickly! :zzz: So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days? ;)
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Windows Vista - My Journey begins!
That sucks a big time. Just in a word, "Linux".
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero
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That sucks a big time. Just in a word, "Linux".
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero
Playing right in to Novell's hands.
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J. Dunlap wrote:
Which new features are most compelling?
It is not just one or two features, it is the overall improvement to the system. Yes, the Glass interface (really easy on the eyes now) is nice and brings the OS to a more modern level, along with things like IIS 7 and .NET 3.0, but there are a lot of little things that really cleans things up. I find myself often going "now, that is cool" or "why didn't they do it like this before". When I say little things, for example, when you are copying files and it hits one that has an error, it prompts you to skip the file, cancel or continue. There are a lot of little things like this (that do not come to mind at the moment), which are simple, but very useful. Another nice thing is their enhanced security. Shoot, even I am using IE7 now and not too worried about it with the differnt levels of Vista security. With the firewall blocker, I also have no need for ZoneAlarm. The biggest thing I can say for Vista is that it is CLEAN and very comfortable. It is a nice update. Microsoft has done a very good job on Vista (and even the 64 bit version I am running), but they need to get their head around greed!
J. Dunlap wrote:
Yeah, I sure hope it will do something! I would prefer to stay on the Windows platform because I'm used to it and like it, all except for the new Vista RAM hogging and licensing scheme.
Yeah, try spending decades on the platform, much harder to switch, but MS continues to push developers away.
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Windows Vista - My Journey begins!
When I say little things, for example, when you are copying files and it hits one that has an error, it prompts you to skip the file, cancel or continue. There are a lot of little things like this (that do not come to mind at the moment), which are simple, but very useful. I can't believe they found time to fix that!
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When I say little things, for example, when you are copying files and it hits one that has an error, it prompts you to skip the file, cancel or continue. There are a lot of little things like this (that do not come to mind at the moment), which are simple, but very useful. I can't believe they found time to fix that!
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Linkify! || Fold With Us! || sighistAnd if you ask Mr Maunder, he probably can't believe they didn't find time to fix that before - seem to remember that was his number one bug-bear with Windows...
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http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx[^] A while back on in the Lounge we were talking about the new licensing. It is offical though, "retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever! I had thought this would only apply to OEM (which would make more sense), but it is not, it is for th retail version. Gamers who update their systems more than most people change socks will get bit hard by this one. One issue we had hoped for is that they would allow the system to power up to five machines as does Apple, but that is not happening either. Additionally, they are forcing periodic revaluations your license which if you do not allow to occur, will cripple your system until you do. This means that you system MUST be connected to internet at some point to validate. Another funny point is that the software is only licensed to use "up to" two processors. Guess you have to run Server if you are going to use a quad core... There are also a few limitations for virtual servers and may only use if using Vista Ultimate. Oh, but the bright side is that they have extended their "warranty" to 1 year.. Oh, doesn't it just give you chills all over... I do not know what the people at Microsoft are smoking, but I small a fall coming if they do not get a clue quickly! :zzz: So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days? ;)
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Windows Vista - My Journey begins!
Who cares? Let me count the number of times in the past this licensing would have caused me problems when upgrading. Zero. (Yup, really did count all the installations and what hardware I used--the computer I'm using right now is, in fact, the only computer with that has had just one OS on it; all my other computers have gone through multiple operating systems.)
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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And if you ask Mr Maunder, he probably can't believe they didn't find time to fix that before - seem to remember that was his number one bug-bear with Windows...
I think I'm the one who has moaned about that the most. :-O
Cheers, Vikram.
"Life isn't fair, and the world is full of unscrupulous characters. There are things worth fighting for, killing for and dying for, but it's a really small list. Chalk it up to experience, let it go, and move on to the next positive experience in your life." - Christopher Duncan.
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http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx[^] A while back on in the Lounge we were talking about the new licensing. It is offical though, "retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever! I had thought this would only apply to OEM (which would make more sense), but it is not, it is for th retail version. Gamers who update their systems more than most people change socks will get bit hard by this one. One issue we had hoped for is that they would allow the system to power up to five machines as does Apple, but that is not happening either. Additionally, they are forcing periodic revaluations your license which if you do not allow to occur, will cripple your system until you do. This means that you system MUST be connected to internet at some point to validate. Another funny point is that the software is only licensed to use "up to" two processors. Guess you have to run Server if you are going to use a quad core... There are also a few limitations for virtual servers and may only use if using Vista Ultimate. Oh, but the bright side is that they have extended their "warranty" to 1 year.. Oh, doesn't it just give you chills all over... I do not know what the people at Microsoft are smoking, but I small a fall coming if they do not get a clue quickly! :zzz: So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days? ;)
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Windows Vista - My Journey begins!
Rocky Moore wrote:
So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days?
Been running 64-bit Ubuntu at home for ages now and it's great. There's no 64-bit RealPlayer for Linux yet but I'm sure it's on its way... Like all OSes its suitability depends on what you want to do on it!
Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
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I think I'm the one who has moaned about that the most. :-O
Cheers, Vikram.
"Life isn't fair, and the world is full of unscrupulous characters. There are things worth fighting for, killing for and dying for, but it's a really small list. Chalk it up to experience, let it go, and move on to the next positive experience in your life." - Christopher Duncan.
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http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx[^] A while back on in the Lounge we were talking about the new licensing. It is offical though, "retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever! I had thought this would only apply to OEM (which would make more sense), but it is not, it is for th retail version. Gamers who update their systems more than most people change socks will get bit hard by this one. One issue we had hoped for is that they would allow the system to power up to five machines as does Apple, but that is not happening either. Additionally, they are forcing periodic revaluations your license which if you do not allow to occur, will cripple your system until you do. This means that you system MUST be connected to internet at some point to validate. Another funny point is that the software is only licensed to use "up to" two processors. Guess you have to run Server if you are going to use a quad core... There are also a few limitations for virtual servers and may only use if using Vista Ultimate. Oh, but the bright side is that they have extended their "warranty" to 1 year.. Oh, doesn't it just give you chills all over... I do not know what the people at Microsoft are smoking, but I small a fall coming if they do not get a clue quickly! :zzz: So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days? ;)
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Windows Vista - My Journey begins!
can someone tell me what constitutes a different device? if i reinstall the OS after putting in a new video card, would it be considered another device? what about the LAN card? if it uses LAN card's mac address or something similar, would it be ok if I carry my LAN card along when I move to a different machine? If this means a total of 2 activations of fresh installations even if the device does not, then Microsoft might as well not release Vista and charge the XP users some money for continuing to use it beyond the support period.
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http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx[^] A while back on in the Lounge we were talking about the new licensing. It is offical though, "retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever! I had thought this would only apply to OEM (which would make more sense), but it is not, it is for th retail version. Gamers who update their systems more than most people change socks will get bit hard by this one. One issue we had hoped for is that they would allow the system to power up to five machines as does Apple, but that is not happening either. Additionally, they are forcing periodic revaluations your license which if you do not allow to occur, will cripple your system until you do. This means that you system MUST be connected to internet at some point to validate. Another funny point is that the software is only licensed to use "up to" two processors. Guess you have to run Server if you are going to use a quad core... There are also a few limitations for virtual servers and may only use if using Vista Ultimate. Oh, but the bright side is that they have extended their "warranty" to 1 year.. Oh, doesn't it just give you chills all over... I do not know what the people at Microsoft are smoking, but I small a fall coming if they do not get a clue quickly! :zzz: So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days? ;)
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Windows Vista - My Journey begins!
Microsoft's licenses are simply illegal. You give money for a product therefor you own your exemplar. You can do with it whatever you want to do. You did not rent it, you bought it. It's yours. Compare it with a car: You can do some modding with it, you can change this and that as long as all parts used are allowed by law. I hope EU will charge MS with some billions for such licenses because the break almost every european law with it.
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Rocky Moore wrote:
So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days?
Been running 64-bit Ubuntu at home for ages now and it's great. There's no 64-bit RealPlayer for Linux yet but I'm sure it's on its way... Like all OSes its suitability depends on what you want to do on it!
Asynes yw brassa ages kwilkynyow.
Steve_Harris wrote:
no 64-bit RealPlayer for Linux
I don't have a 64 bit machine, but does mplayer not work well? I have kmplayer will lots of codecs which plays some real media as well. BTW I am not sure of the licensing of the codecs.
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Microsoft's licenses are simply illegal. You give money for a product therefor you own your exemplar. You can do with it whatever you want to do. You did not rent it, you bought it. It's yours. Compare it with a car: You can do some modding with it, you can change this and that as long as all parts used are allowed by law. I hope EU will charge MS with some billions for such licenses because the break almost every european law with it.
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http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx[^] A while back on in the Lounge we were talking about the new licensing. It is offical though, "retail" versions of Vista may only be transferred to one future box forever! I had thought this would only apply to OEM (which would make more sense), but it is not, it is for th retail version. Gamers who update their systems more than most people change socks will get bit hard by this one. One issue we had hoped for is that they would allow the system to power up to five machines as does Apple, but that is not happening either. Additionally, they are forcing periodic revaluations your license which if you do not allow to occur, will cripple your system until you do. This means that you system MUST be connected to internet at some point to validate. Another funny point is that the software is only licensed to use "up to" two processors. Guess you have to run Server if you are going to use a quad core... There are also a few limitations for virtual servers and may only use if using Vista Ultimate. Oh, but the bright side is that they have extended their "warranty" to 1 year.. Oh, doesn't it just give you chills all over... I do not know what the people at Microsoft are smoking, but I small a fall coming if they do not get a clue quickly! :zzz: So, how is the 64 bit versions of Linux going these days? ;)
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Windows Vista - My Journey begins!
All they had to do was not alienate people (apologies to :bob: )
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Microsoft's licenses are simply illegal. You give money for a product therefor you own your exemplar. You can do with it whatever you want to do. You did not rent it, you bought it. It's yours. Compare it with a car: You can do some modding with it, you can change this and that as long as all parts used are allowed by law. I hope EU will charge MS with some billions for such licenses because the break almost every european law with it.
You don't pay for a product. You pay for the right to use a copy of a product on a PC.
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Or was it me?
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eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Or was it me?
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diriproject wrote:
such licenses because the break almost every european law with it.
Which ones, exactly?
Every law related to ownership. You buy a car, a building, a book, a computer, software, ... Renting something needs a special contract. This must be signed before you open the box. -- modified at 6:25 Monday 16th October, 2006 To give you a better impression: You buy a car and afterwards you are told to not to be allowed to drive left at any crossing. Microsoft tries the very same in relation to their software.