XML....so what?
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Another way to define XML is that XML is the way to describe a data, as opposed to HTML designed to present a data. And because of that XML is the best thing since the sliced bread.:) Igor.
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i think you've hit all the major points. as i see it, XML is just a easy-to-understand way of moving data from one place to another, or to transform that data from one form to another. someday people will stop trying to use it to solve every problem. -c
Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities. Mark Twain
:-D Yes, there's a bit of a recurring joke now where I work where when anybody states a problem that they're having difficulty with they get the same response from many directions: Ah, you'll need to use XML for that then. Q: I need a data transfer protocol? A: Ah, you'll want XML for that. Q: I want to log a bunch of simple data to a text file. A: Why don't you use XML! Q: I need a hedgehog! A: I can define one of those in XML if you'd like. Try it, it's the answer to all of your coding problems. I think if I see one more pointless use of XML I'll scream. Yes, you can do clever stuff with it and it has its uses. No, it's not the messiah - it's a very naughty boy. -- Simon Steele Programmers Notepad - http://www.pnotepad.org/
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Tim Smith wrote: However, I can see them playing fast and loose with standards such as SOAP You've got to be careful when you reach for the SOAP... :wtf: "There is a fine line between lunacy and genius; it is my goal in life to keep them guessing just where the line lies..." -- Unknown
Daniel Ferguson wrote: You've got to be careful when you reach for the SOAP... ...Cause you might drop it and have to bend over... :)
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Igor Vigdorchik wrote: XML is the best thing since the sliced bread What was the best thing before sliced bread? :) Thomas
Sliced bread is the first best thing. Igor.
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that's the part that i don't buy. it's not enough that they are all using the same language; "they" also have to be using that language to encode the same kind of data. if two similar programs X and Y encode their data in XML but they store different data, then where's the benefit? XML does no good unless all parties involved agree on what they're storing, the schema to use and the kinds of things you can do with the data. all XML does is establish a mid-level communications protocol. people still have to agree on the high and low level details. -c
Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities. Mark Twain
Chris Losinger wrote: XML does no good unless all parties involved agree on what they're storing, the schema to use and the kinds of things you can do with the data. That is the job of W3, who oversees SOAP standardization // Fazlul
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That's another thing, whats so good about sliced bread!? People are just to damned lazy, or did they use to cut their fingers off? :) :-D ;P /:wtf:
I'm lazy and I'm afraid to cut my fingers off. Igor.
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: This would let other web developers to access your data though standard protocol such as SOAP (Simple Object Access Protocol). Thus in short, XML is quickly becoming the de facto language of the web, letting web applications talking to each other This is going to be worse than ActiveX controls, and Outlook. I'm not going to trust Microsoft, and expose all my critical data on the internet to be hacked and exploited. When they fix IIS, and the basic fundemental problems plauging Windows and Office, maybe I'll reconsider...But even that looks like a long way off. I see a potential security nightmare that may even destroy MS's great success. .NET is a big uncertainty in my book becuase MS has failed in securing the basics.
Martin Marvinski wrote: I'm not going to trust Microsoft, and expose all my critical data on the internet to be hacked and exploited. Remeber, XML is only a data format spec, the real brain to use XML formatted data lies the SOAP protocals used by web services. There are some very complex and restrictive security features already built into SOAP / XML web services. // Fazlul
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Martin Marvinski wrote: I'm not going to trust Microsoft, and expose all my critical data on the internet to be hacked and exploited. Remeber, XML is only a data format spec, the real brain to use XML formatted data lies the SOAP protocals used by web services. There are some very complex and restrictive security features already built into SOAP / XML web services. // Fazlul
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Fazlul Kabir wrote: Remeber, XML is only a data format spec, the real brain to use XML formatted data lies the SOAP protocals used by web services I meant SOAP. Those security features most likely will have as many holes as swiss cheese. I would bet my life on the fact that MS's implementation will have serious flaws. Look at XP, it was supposed to be the "most secure". The same was said for Windows 2000. I don't believe the Bullsh*t MS says about it's security. Windows is good for the client side, and for home/consumer use such as games. I would fire any IT professional who used XML and SOAP from MS if I ran a Mission critical enterprise. Once it comes out, there will be attacks, and other such mishaps that will ruin MS's reputation. Once I see Outlook and Windows as secure, I may reconsider my opinion, but once again, I don't see that happening. MS needs to change their culture and stop hiring kids to write enterprise level sh*t.
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Chris Losinger wrote: XML does no good unless all parties involved agree on what they're storing, the schema to use and the kinds of things you can do with the data. That is the job of W3, who oversees SOAP standardization // Fazlul
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i'm not convinced. there's no way they're going to hit every problem domain, and even if they did, some company would come along and say "hmm.. This w3 standard is crimping our ability to Innovate. we can do X or Y better if we transmit our data this way." -c
Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities. Mark Twain
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Igor Vigdorchik wrote: XML is the best thing since the sliced bread What was the best thing before sliced bread? :) Thomas
living past 35 -c
Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities. Mark Twain
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i think you've hit all the major points. as i see it, XML is just a easy-to-understand way of moving data from one place to another, or to transform that data from one form to another. someday people will stop trying to use it to solve every problem. -c
Civilization is the limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities. Mark Twain
Chris Losinger wrote: someday people will stop trying to use it to solve every problem. I'm surprised you're so cynical - I can't tell you how my graphics filters improved when I started storing the images as XML. jpeg FF FF AA AA DD DD Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. And you don't spend much time with the opposite sex working day and night, unless the pizza delivery person happens to be young, cute, single and female. I can assure you, I've consumed more than a programmer's allotment of pizza, and these conditions have never aligned. - Christopher Duncan - 18/04/2002
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:-D Yes, there's a bit of a recurring joke now where I work where when anybody states a problem that they're having difficulty with they get the same response from many directions: Ah, you'll need to use XML for that then. Q: I need a data transfer protocol? A: Ah, you'll want XML for that. Q: I want to log a bunch of simple data to a text file. A: Why don't you use XML! Q: I need a hedgehog! A: I can define one of those in XML if you'd like. Try it, it's the answer to all of your coding problems. I think if I see one more pointless use of XML I'll scream. Yes, you can do clever stuff with it and it has its uses. No, it's not the messiah - it's a very naughty boy. -- Simon Steele Programmers Notepad - http://www.pnotepad.org/
Simon Steele wrote: I think if I see one more pointless use of XML I'll scream. You should express your anger in an XML file :) -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman
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Igor Vigdorchik wrote: XML is the best thing since the sliced bread What was the best thing before sliced bread? :) Thomas
Thomas George wrote: What was the best thing before sliced bread? Presumably, unsliced bread. ;P ____________________ David Wulff There was a young man called Dave, Who dug up a prositutes grave, She was mouldy as shìt, And missing a tit, But look at the money he saved. Dave's Code Project Screensaver and Wallpaper page.