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...so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago and have been doing bits and pieces to keep some money coming in to feed the family. I need to start that whole piece of crap where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice. It been a few years since I have been out of the computer scene proper and was thinkning I really should pull the finger out and have a go at getting back in. So lets say I need to learn about the .NET framework, C# and web based stuff. Where should I start? (So maybe I'm looking for book and or article recommendations) Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up. (No work for me)
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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...so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago and have been doing bits and pieces to keep some money coming in to feed the family. I need to start that whole piece of crap where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice. It been a few years since I have been out of the computer scene proper and was thinkning I really should pull the finger out and have a go at getting back in. So lets say I need to learn about the .NET framework, C# and web based stuff. Where should I start? (So maybe I'm looking for book and or article recommendations) Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up. (No work for me)
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
If you are used to OO programming, these two books are great: - Pro C# 2005 and the .NET 2.0 Platform[^] - Pro ASP.NET 2.0 in C# 2005[^]
Michael Martin wrote:
Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far?
No, you don't. You just need Windows XP Professional. If you use ASP.NET 2.0 with Visual Studio, it has its own integrated server (it's very slow compared to IIS, but it works). You can grab, for a start, the Express Editions of Visual Studio here[^].
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...so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago and have been doing bits and pieces to keep some money coming in to feed the family. I need to start that whole piece of crap where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice. It been a few years since I have been out of the computer scene proper and was thinkning I really should pull the finger out and have a go at getting back in. So lets say I need to learn about the .NET framework, C# and web based stuff. Where should I start? (So maybe I'm looking for book and or article recommendations) Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up. (No work for me)
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Depends on your background but I found these usefull: http://www.amazon.com/Programmers-Introduction-C-Eric-Gunnerson/dp/1893115860[^] http://www.amazon.com/NET-2-0-Wrox-Box-Professional/dp/0470048409[^] Hope you find some work you like soon
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...so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago and have been doing bits and pieces to keep some money coming in to feed the family. I need to start that whole piece of crap where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice. It been a few years since I have been out of the computer scene proper and was thinkning I really should pull the finger out and have a go at getting back in. So lets say I need to learn about the .NET framework, C# and web based stuff. Where should I start? (So maybe I'm looking for book and or article recommendations) Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up. (No work for me)
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
I just downloaded C# express, found the cheapest C# book I could find (I was unemployed too, at the time) and found I picked it up really easily If you've got a background in C++ / MFC, it'll just "snap" since all the .NET stuff is far more logical than MFC (e.g. 9/10 it'll just work the way you think it should, rather than making you jump through hoops!)
-- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
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...so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago and have been doing bits and pieces to keep some money coming in to feed the family. I need to start that whole piece of crap where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice. It been a few years since I have been out of the computer scene proper and was thinkning I really should pull the finger out and have a go at getting back in. So lets say I need to learn about the .NET framework, C# and web based stuff. Where should I start? (So maybe I'm looking for book and or article recommendations) Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up. (No work for me)
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago
So what happened? I thought you were in line to be managing the place?
Michael Martin wrote:
where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice
Professional prostitution, by any other name. ;P
Michael Martin wrote:
Where should I start?
Me, personally, I start by doing. Forget the books. The MSDN documentation is sufficient, there's lots of articles here on CP, and google is a great tool for researching stuff.
Michael Martin wrote:
How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up.
I decided to learn C# by writing about the C# keywords. Of course, I never finished series! Shame on me. :sigh: Then I picked an interesting subject (but chewable) and learned a bit about it, and popped out another article (I think the one on emitting IL to inject a break). In the process, I learn about stuff, I learn it deeper by writing about stuff, and I learn what an idiot I am (for example, that IL break was totally unecessary, as there's a System.Diagnostics.Debugger.Break method!). Another foray was into ASP.NET. There were a few articles on attempting to unify web and winform development. That stopped when I hit events and realized there were going to be major problems in that area. And so forth. But it's also great for the resume, to have articles out there. And along that thought, I'm about to publish "The Enumerable Enumerator" but got distracted by your post. :) Article here[^] :-D Marc -- modified at 9:25 Thursday 2nd November, 2006
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
...so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago and have been doing bits and pieces to keep some money coming in to feed the family. I need to start that whole piece of crap where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice. It been a few years since I have been out of the computer scene proper and was thinkning I really should pull the finger out and have a go at getting back in. So lets say I need to learn about the .NET framework, C# and web based stuff. Where should I start? (So maybe I'm looking for book and or article recommendations) Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up. (No work for me)
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago
Dare I say it, what happened ?
Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch
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...so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago and have been doing bits and pieces to keep some money coming in to feed the family. I need to start that whole piece of crap where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice. It been a few years since I have been out of the computer scene proper and was thinkning I really should pull the finger out and have a go at getting back in. So lets say I need to learn about the .NET framework, C# and web based stuff. Where should I start? (So maybe I'm looking for book and or article recommendations) Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up. (No work for me)
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
XP Pro will be fine for web development. So that means no free beer when I come down, eh?
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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...so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago and have been doing bits and pieces to keep some money coming in to feed the family. I need to start that whole piece of crap where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice. It been a few years since I have been out of the computer scene proper and was thinkning I really should pull the finger out and have a go at getting back in. So lets say I need to learn about the .NET framework, C# and web based stuff. Where should I start? (So maybe I'm looking for book and or article recommendations) Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up. (No work for me)
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? You already have got the answer about .NET Framework 2.0 (cannot confirm though) If you use .NET Framework 1.2, Win XP Prof is enough. difference between XP prof. and Windows Server 2003 is that XP prof. can support only up to 10 simultaneous connections :)
"Absolution requires sacrifice" -- Dan Brown 'The Da Vinci code'
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Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? You already have got the answer about .NET Framework 2.0 (cannot confirm though) If you use .NET Framework 1.2, Win XP Prof is enough. difference between XP prof. and Windows Server 2003 is that XP prof. can support only up to 10 simultaneous connections :)
"Absolution requires sacrifice" -- Dan Brown 'The Da Vinci code'
WiB wrote:
.NET Framework 1.2
Eh? Is there such a beast? I'm only aware of 1.0, 1.1, 2.0 & lately 3.0. All the different versions are a PITA.
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...so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago and have been doing bits and pieces to keep some money coming in to feed the family. I need to start that whole piece of crap where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice. It been a few years since I have been out of the computer scene proper and was thinkning I really should pull the finger out and have a go at getting back in. So lets say I need to learn about the .NET framework, C# and web based stuff. Where should I start? (So maybe I'm looking for book and or article recommendations) Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up. (No work for me)
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
yeah a book would be best, then try out some examples (if you need help ==> MSDN and CP). For web based stuff you could use ISS which is delivered with 2000, XP and 2003. good luck !!
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...so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago and have been doing bits and pieces to keep some money coming in to feed the family. I need to start that whole piece of crap where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice. It been a few years since I have been out of the computer scene proper and was thinkning I really should pull the finger out and have a go at getting back in. So lets say I need to learn about the .NET framework, C# and web based stuff. Where should I start? (So maybe I'm looking for book and or article recommendations) Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far? How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up. (No work for me)
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
As others have said, WinXP Pro with IIS running is OK. Yes visit Microsoft, get their free Express editions. Their downloads are large so you would benefit from a Broadband link * . After you have got them and installed them make sure you visit Microsoft Update to get the updates for the .Net framework. Register these installs with Microsoft and that will enable you to access their free tutorial PDF's. And if you want Video tutorials, I can send you links to downloadable resources. As .net is object oriented, are you up-to-speed with that and also modelling technologies such as UML. If not, I can give you some web links for tutorials and UML tools. Also consider learning about Design Patterns. * don't even consider downloading if you use a 56k dial-up modem - you will be there downloading all week long. Some computer magazines did put Express editions on their cover mounted CD/DVD's and may still be available from their respective publishers.
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As others have said, WinXP Pro with IIS running is OK. Yes visit Microsoft, get their free Express editions. Their downloads are large so you would benefit from a Broadband link * . After you have got them and installed them make sure you visit Microsoft Update to get the updates for the .Net framework. Register these installs with Microsoft and that will enable you to access their free tutorial PDF's. And if you want Video tutorials, I can send you links to downloadable resources. As .net is object oriented, are you up-to-speed with that and also modelling technologies such as UML. If not, I can give you some web links for tutorials and UML tools. Also consider learning about Design Patterns. * don't even consider downloading if you use a 56k dial-up modem - you will be there downloading all week long. Some computer magazines did put Express editions on their cover mounted CD/DVD's and may still be available from their respective publishers.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
* don't even consider downloading if you use a 56k dial-up modem - you will be there downloading all week long. Some computer magazines did put Express editions on their cover mounted CD/DVD's and may still be available from their respective publishers.
Each EE is small enough to fit on a single CD. You can download that much in ~24hrs over dialup. Downloading all of them would take a while, but you only really need webdev and either c# or vb.net.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
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If you are used to OO programming, these two books are great: - Pro C# 2005 and the .NET 2.0 Platform[^] - Pro ASP.NET 2.0 in C# 2005[^]
Michael Martin wrote:
Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far?
No, you don't. You just need Windows XP Professional. If you use ASP.NET 2.0 with Visual Studio, it has its own integrated server (it's very slow compared to IIS, but it works). You can grab, for a start, the Express Editions of Visual Studio here[^].
________________________________________________ Personal Blog [ITA] - Tech Blog [ENG] Developing ScrewTurn Wiki 1.1 (1.0.7 is out)
Dario Solera wrote:
If you are used to OO programming, these two books are great: - Pro C# 2005 and the .NET 2.0 Platform[^] - Pro ASP.NET 2.0 in C# 2005[^]
I second that, I've found both of these books highly useful.
Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beierhund das oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
* don't even consider downloading if you use a 56k dial-up modem - you will be there downloading all week long. Some computer magazines did put Express editions on their cover mounted CD/DVD's and may still be available from their respective publishers.
Each EE is small enough to fit on a single CD. You can download that much in ~24hrs over dialup. Downloading all of them would take a while, but you only really need webdev and either c# or vb.net.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
What you said is common knowledge. I was trying to show the futility of trying to download something so big with a little 56k modem, knowing how reliable or not the public telephone system is and how often a download using a 56k modem fails to complete.
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What you said is common knowledge. I was trying to show the futility of trying to download something so big with a little 56k modem, knowing how reliable or not the public telephone system is and how often a download using a 56k modem fails to complete.
I downloaded an average of a gig/week on a 56k connection at one point, and know someone who hit >90% of the theoretical bandwidth limit for over a year. Then his neighborhood finally got broadband and there was much rejoicing.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
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WiB wrote:
.NET Framework 1.2
Eh? Is there such a beast? I'm only aware of 1.0, 1.1, 2.0 & lately 3.0. All the different versions are a PITA.
my mistake :cool:
"Absolution requires sacrifice" -- Dan Brown 'The Da Vinci code'
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If you are used to OO programming, these two books are great: - Pro C# 2005 and the .NET 2.0 Platform[^] - Pro ASP.NET 2.0 in C# 2005[^]
Michael Martin wrote:
Do I need a Windows Server 2003 machine running IIS to test said Web based appy things when I get that far?
No, you don't. You just need Windows XP Professional. If you use ASP.NET 2.0 with Visual Studio, it has its own integrated server (it's very slow compared to IIS, but it works). You can grab, for a start, the Express Editions of Visual Studio here[^].
________________________________________________ Personal Blog [ITA] - Tech Blog [ENG] Developing ScrewTurn Wiki 1.1 (1.0.7 is out)
Thanks for the help Dario, I will see if I can get these books from one of my local bookshops.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Depends on your background but I found these usefull: http://www.amazon.com/Programmers-Introduction-C-Eric-Gunnerson/dp/1893115860[^] http://www.amazon.com/NET-2-0-Wrox-Box-Professional/dp/0470048409[^] Hope you find some work you like soon
Thanks, I will look into them a bit later today.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote:
so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago
So what happened? I thought you were in line to be managing the place?
Michael Martin wrote:
where I have to sell myself to some twat while being all nice
Professional prostitution, by any other name. ;P
Michael Martin wrote:
Where should I start?
Me, personally, I start by doing. Forget the books. The MSDN documentation is sufficient, there's lots of articles here on CP, and google is a great tool for researching stuff.
Michael Martin wrote:
How about some rambling stories of other peoples experiences to give me something to readd tomorrow when I get up.
I decided to learn C# by writing about the C# keywords. Of course, I never finished series! Shame on me. :sigh: Then I picked an interesting subject (but chewable) and learned a bit about it, and popped out another article (I think the one on emitting IL to inject a break). In the process, I learn about stuff, I learn it deeper by writing about stuff, and I learn what an idiot I am (for example, that IL break was totally unecessary, as there's a System.Diagnostics.Debugger.Break method!). Another foray was into ASP.NET. There were a few articles on attempting to unify web and winform development. That stopped when I hit events and realized there were going to be major problems in that area. And so forth. But it's also great for the resume, to have articles out there. And along that thought, I'm about to publish "The Enumerable Enumerator" but got distracted by your post. :) Article here[^] :-D Marc -- modified at 9:25 Thursday 2nd November, 2006
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithThanks Mark, that was the type of rambling post I was looking for to read (late by the time I got up) Friday morning.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote:
so I was relieved of my position at the pub almost 2 weeks ago
Dare I say it, what happened ?
Regards Ray "Je Suis Mort De Rire" Blogging @ Keratoconus Watch
Ray Kinsella wrote:
Dare I say it, what happened ?
Been coming for a while, which is why I had started looking for pub work elsewhere but everyone else is offering considerably lower money. A new licensee started back in late March. A complete twat who can't complete a sentence without talking about something he has done. So that means someone that I don't get on with. I have had to work with many twats in my time and it's always a case of focus on the job, deal with the twat as little as possible and you both get on with your lives. Slanty Man (said twat) couldn't do this, so he steals money (I have started getting information from other pubs he has worked where he has previously done this. The last pub before ours he lasted less than 3 months as the owners backed the other bloke and not him. Unfortunately our owners believe everything Slanty says) and blames staff members he wants to get rid of. Did this to a Welsh fella we have working there. In fact did it twice in the week before he went back to Wales to visit his family before returning. Now said Welshman is his "best" friend. The strangest thing was I was told I was being fired but was left in charge of the pub and the $75,000.00 float (obviously I untrustworthy). I tolg the General Manager (son of the owners) that money would o missing and I would be blames. I also said when this happened I would drag Slanty by the throat down into the main bar and punch the absolute fuck out of him. GM asked me not to touch him and any missing $ would be looked at from the point that Slanty took it as he trusted me and not the Licensee (WTF, so why isn't he gone and me running the place). So a couple of days later money goes missing, the whole thing comes nowhere near me (I had told the GM that if I was blamed and they had no photo eveidence (16 cameras watching everything and everywhere in the pub) I would FUBAR Slanty and no one would stop me) so that blew over. A week and a bit later I'm gone. Short version, they have hired Slanty on reputation (no one I speak to, seems to know him) and will run the pub into the ground before admitting they have fucked up. I have been back to the pub once since I was given the arse. Every staff member is morbid, and all told how fucked it has been since I was gone. All the locals mobbed me, tried to buy me a million beers and complained how fucked it is that I was given the arse and how shithouse the new bloke is.
Michael Ma