Shortage of S/W professionals
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Tim Craig wrote:
o just keep taking courses until you get lucky and get a good mark on an exam? Brilliant.
Not exactly, because the situation is either after the degree or your masters you start for a job search so they can ask for the percentage of this. And also it is not the case that if you got a good percentage in your 10th then and there you can get a job because you have a good percentage. And even if you have a good percentage you have to go through technical interviews there also you can be judged. :)
Best Regards, Apurva Kaushal
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Yes that is correct that exams performance are the initial filter but if you are asking for excellent consistentcy in all you exams and one who has just not done very good in one exam(may be or may not be a genuine reason), shouldn't he be entertained?
Best Regards, Apurva Kaushal
Apurva Kaushal wrote:
and one who has just not done very good in one exam
I don't think one exam in 4 years of college is going to affect the overall results that much. You have to have been slacking off more than that.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Apurva Kaushal wrote:
qqite correct..
:)
vijay.
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Ha ha At the end of the day it merit what matters not degrees. ;P
Peter
Peter Bryan wrote:
it merit what matters not degrees
But the degree can open the doors for you. The degree says you took the time and effort to develop the skills. Without it, you have to prove what you have and you'll do it generally from the end of the line.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Most of the times it comes in news that there is shotage of professionals world wide but the ground reality is that 1000's of engineering graduates and post graduates are moving on roads,becouse companies are not giving them chance to work as they do not have good % of marks througt out there academic carrier. is the marks are right way to judge anybodies talent? Is this the way companies are going to sort out this problem?
rahul
rah_sin wrote:
Most of the times it comes in news that there is shotage of professionals world wide
I think it is more a shortage of "good" people rather than a general shortage. Each job that gets advertised always has a lot of candidates. The trouble is that most are pretty poor and lack the skills needed to do a job. A good grade from university doesn't make for a good hire, but it can be an indication of the person's work-ethic.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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I think your last post is a perfect example of your lack of communication skills, at least in English and that's what your job is going to require.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Well, the guy who did do well in all his exams passes the filter, simple as that. If you didn't do well, and now you can't get an interview, try to think of other ways you can impress an interviewer, to prove that you're worth talking to.
Christian Graus wrote:
try to think of other ways you can impress an interviewer, to prove that you're worth talking to.
Which can be, start working in a comparitively smaller firm and then after getting some good knowledge go there. :)
Best Regards, Apurva Kaushal
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i think before making anybody member the CP should take TOEFL for registering member to qualify for becoming member of CP.
rahul
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ohh! was it that bad.. :sigh: I may be still in the learning phase of it. :)
Best Regards, Apurva Kaushal
Apurva Kaushal wrote:
ohh! was it that bad.. I may be still in the learning phase of it.
I've seen worse on here. English isn't easy as nothing is regular. I've been at it for almost 60 years and I have to look up things now and then still.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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i think before making anybody member the CP should take TOEFL for registering member to qualify for becoming member of CP.
rahul
I think before making a posting on the forums, take some time to read what you post. typing errors may be overlooked, but the statements should make sense.
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Apurva Kaushal wrote:
ohh! was it that bad.. I may be still in the learning phase of it.
I've seen worse on here. English isn't easy as nothing is regular. I've been at it for almost 60 years and I have to look up things now and then still.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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rah_sin wrote:
Most of the times it comes in news that there is shotage of professionals world wide
I think it is more a shortage of "good" people rather than a general shortage. Each job that gets advertised always has a lot of candidates. The trouble is that most are pretty poor and lack the skills needed to do a job. A good grade from university doesn't make for a good hire, but it can be an indication of the person's work-ethic.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Michael P Butler wrote:
I think it is more a shortage of "good" people rather than a general shortage.
Here it's a shortage of "cheap" people hence the offshoring and importation using the H1-B system. H1-Bs are also heavily used in companies started by immigrants. They'd rather hire cousin Moe than deal with the locals.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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rah_sin wrote:
Most of the times it comes in news that there is shotage of professionals world wide
I think it is more a shortage of "good" people rather than a general shortage. Each job that gets advertised always has a lot of candidates. The trouble is that most are pretty poor and lack the skills needed to do a job. A good grade from university doesn't make for a good hire, but it can be an indication of the person's work-ethic.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Hear, hear! What would make a standout candidate in my book, were I hiring an entry-level candidate today and staring at a stack of applications, would be someone that has had an internship with some specific accomplishments on it. Frankly, having grown up on the university, spent eight years learning there, and even taught there, I don't put much faith on seeing someone that has all the 'little check-box' course-work done with good grades. Meaningless. Now give me someone with one or more summers of practical experience I can weigh, that's something. Then I'll look at the other candidates. And, were I restricted to evaluating on the basis of course-work and grades, I'd also be looking for a candidate with course-work in other disciplines. A bit of economics, psychology, anthropology or sociology, all have applications in software engineering. Some might be puzzled at the three 'soft-sciences' but they have applications in creating requirements and evaluating software usability. I used anthropological interviewing methods quite a bit in doing my system analyses here for process re-engineering, designing software, and evaluating the final result for improvements. Microsoft and others have engaged anthropologists so I'm not barking mad here, just thirty years ahead of the curve. [Thanks, Mom!] There are other candidates as well if you will be eventually targeting work in a certain industry. Just a few random thoughts. There's quite a few more tips I've picked up over the years.
-Bri "The most deadly words for an engineer. 'I have an idea.'"
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Hear, hear! What would make a standout candidate in my book, were I hiring an entry-level candidate today and staring at a stack of applications, would be someone that has had an internship with some specific accomplishments on it. Frankly, having grown up on the university, spent eight years learning there, and even taught there, I don't put much faith on seeing someone that has all the 'little check-box' course-work done with good grades. Meaningless. Now give me someone with one or more summers of practical experience I can weigh, that's something. Then I'll look at the other candidates. And, were I restricted to evaluating on the basis of course-work and grades, I'd also be looking for a candidate with course-work in other disciplines. A bit of economics, psychology, anthropology or sociology, all have applications in software engineering. Some might be puzzled at the three 'soft-sciences' but they have applications in creating requirements and evaluating software usability. I used anthropological interviewing methods quite a bit in doing my system analyses here for process re-engineering, designing software, and evaluating the final result for improvements. Microsoft and others have engaged anthropologists so I'm not barking mad here, just thirty years ahead of the curve. [Thanks, Mom!] There are other candidates as well if you will be eventually targeting work in a certain industry. Just a few random thoughts. There's quite a few more tips I've picked up over the years.
-Bri "The most deadly words for an engineer. 'I have an idea.'"
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Most of the times it comes in news that there is shotage of professionals world wide but the ground reality is that 1000's of engineering graduates and post graduates are moving on roads,becouse companies are not giving them chance to work as they do not have good % of marks througt out there academic carrier. is the marks are right way to judge anybodies talent? Is this the way companies are going to sort out this problem?
rahul
rah_sin wrote:
Most of the times it comes in news that there is shotage of professionals world wide but the ground reality is that 1000's of engineering graduates and post graduates are moving on roads,becouse companies are not giving them chance to work as they do not have good % of marks througt out there academic carrier.
It still makes me laugh that a company is more interested in that I got a 2:1 at Uni over the quality of my work over the past 10 years!
Never argue with an imbecile; they bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
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I too agree with the concept that employer should not ask for the consistent academic record. They can ask for the good percentage in the last exam passed. Because if someone has not done good in any of the past exam due to some reason then he/she should not be prohibited from appearing in the interviews. BTW this can be my personal opinion. :)
Best Regards, Apurva Kaushal
Apurva Kaushal wrote:
I too agree with the concept that employer should not ask for the consistent academic record. They can ask for the good percentage in the last exam passed. Because if someone has not done good in any of the past exam due to some reason then he/she should not be prohibited from appearing in the interviews. BTW this can be my personal opinion.
I would imagine that job adverts get quite a lot of replies. Filtering CV's based on poor grades is probably just one of many ways of whittling the pile down to a few that the manager can be bothered to read. I admit that many a good candidate could get missed, but that's life unfortunately.
Never argue with an imbecile; they bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
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Apurva Kaushal wrote:
I too agree with the concept that employer should not ask for the consistent academic record. They can ask for the good percentage in the last exam passed. Because if someone has not done good in any of the past exam due to some reason then he/she should not be prohibited from appearing in the interviews. BTW this can be my personal opinion.
I would imagine that job adverts get quite a lot of replies. Filtering CV's based on poor grades is probably just one of many ways of whittling the pile down to a few that the manager can be bothered to read. I admit that many a good candidate could get missed, but that's life unfortunately.
Never argue with an imbecile; they bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
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rah_sin wrote:
is the marks are right way to judge anybodies talent?
No. For starters, communication skills are important as well. ;)
rah_sin wrote:
the ground reality is that 1000's of engineering graduates and post graduates
How many of them are actually employable?
Cheers, Vikram.
"Life isn't fair, and the world is full of unscrupulous characters. There are things worth fighting for, killing for and dying for, but it's a really small list. Chalk it up to experience, let it go, and move on to the next positive experience in your life." - Christopher Duncan.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
How many of them are actually employable?
Well, this guy[^] seems to have been employable. :omg:
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
How many of them are actually employable?
Well, this guy[^] seems to have been employable. :omg:
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i think before making anybody member the CP should take TOEFL for registering member to qualify for becoming member of CP.
rahul
Chill, mate. :) I admit I couldn't resist taking that shot, but I don't go around hurling insults. OT: I counted three 'member's in your post. Austin Powers comes to mind.... :-D
Cheers, Vikram.
"Life isn't fair, and the world is full of unscrupulous characters. There are things worth fighting for, killing for and dying for, but it's a really small list. Chalk it up to experience, let it go, and move on to the next positive experience in your life." - Christopher Duncan.