Shortage of S/W professionals
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It is Good to be Important but! it is more Important to be Good [My Question]
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rah_sin wrote:
they are simply judging based on marks
So you think you should have worked a little harder on your courses and partied a little less? ;P
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
So you think you should have worked a little harder on your courses and partied a little less? ;P
Cause those Uni projects are so relevant to the real world. (I know you were joking, so settle down) Started a Uni degree 6 years after I became a programmer in the real world. Completed 2/3 before family stuff got in the road. Don't think any of it was relevant or really helped with any of the work I was doing.
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Brian Bartlett wrote:
Microsoft and others have engaged anthropologists so I'm not barking mad
Microsoft does it so it must be good. :laugh:
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
{Rolling eyes} Would you have been happier if I said 'Apple and others' or perhaps 'IBM and others'? Sheesh.
-Bri "The most deadly words for an engineer. 'I have an idea.'"
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
How many of them are actually employable?
Well, this guy[^] seems to have been employable. :omg:
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I can't believe this guy. I know, I'm going to post up that I need somebody to implement the RETE III algorithm for a rules engine. I'm sure to get so much help that I won't need to hire anybody.:-D What are these people thinking?
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Most of the times it comes in news that there is shotage of professionals world wide but the ground reality is that 1000's of engineering graduates and post graduates are moving on roads,becouse companies are not giving them chance to work as they do not have good % of marks througt out there academic carrier. is the marks are right way to judge anybodies talent? Is this the way companies are going to sort out this problem?
rahul
rah_sin wrote:
Is this the way companies are going to sort out this problem?
The way we are combatting it is by sending me and other engineers with "exciting careers" to the elementary, middle, and high schools. Get the kids interested, keep them interested. Get them started on a road to continue my work and other's work. We take the lasers, 3D graphics, remote controlled robots, etc. The kids see you can have fun in a technical career, they may want to take the extra school to do it. :)
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rah_sin wrote:
is the marks are right way to judge anybodies talent?
No. For starters, communication skills are important as well. ;)
rah_sin wrote:
the ground reality is that 1000's of engineering graduates and post graduates
How many of them are actually employable?
Cheers, Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
How many of them are actually employable?
I am not a hard judge - but all my hiring attempts in India were disastrous. So I'd say a very very tiny % of the educated unemployed (s/w category) in India may be hirable - the rest would be misfits. Also, I am now personally reevaluating my skill-set, ability, and knowledge, and each day I realize I know nothing - and that I have miles to go before I become as good as I want to. So, on one side, while we see that the quality of new software devs is going down, we also need to try and step up our own skill-set/knowledge, else in 5 years, we'd be as bad as those we criticize.
Regards, Nish
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Most of the times it comes in news that there is shotage of professionals world wide but the ground reality is that 1000's of engineering graduates and post graduates are moving on roads,becouse companies are not giving them chance to work as they do not have good % of marks througt out there academic carrier. is the marks are right way to judge anybodies talent? Is this the way companies are going to sort out this problem?
rahul
I dunno if I would say there is a shortage of S/W professionals. I would rephrase it to a "Shortage of Good S/W Professionals". There are a ton of software programmers floating around. The problem is how many of them are really worth anything? Hackers, templaters, copy cats? How many of them actually know/understand what they are doing? How many of them really understand the envoirnment they are hired to write code in? Any monkey can hit keys on a keyboard...always remember this is a "thinking man's game". -BC
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rah_sin wrote:
is the marks are right way to judge anybodies talent?
No. For starters, communication skills are important as well. ;)
rah_sin wrote:
the ground reality is that 1000's of engineering graduates and post graduates
How many of them are actually employable?
Cheers, Vikram.
"Life isn't fair, and the world is full of unscrupulous characters. There are things worth fighting for, killing for and dying for, but it's a really small list. Chalk it up to experience, let it go, and move on to the next positive experience in your life." - Christopher Duncan.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
No. For starters, communication skills are important as well.
I know you're (your) having a little fun there (their/they're), but I have to agree regardless. In all too many forums involving programmers I find the need to stop to figure out what they're (their/there) trying to say. Some of this is due (do) to the words not making sense. This can be due to (two/too) using the wrong homophone or just poor (pour) spelling. It isn't always necessary but programmers are often required to document their work outside of in code comments. Even if poor communications doesn't reflect on the coder's ability to produce code it can still produce negative feelings towards him/her. And many companies are concerned about how their employees' skills reflect on the company itself. Lilith
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Most of the times it comes in news that there is shotage of professionals world wide but the ground reality is that 1000's of engineering graduates and post graduates are moving on roads,becouse companies are not giving them chance to work as they do not have good % of marks througt out there academic carrier. is the marks are right way to judge anybodies talent? Is this the way companies are going to sort out this problem?
rahul
No, certifications and degrees only mean certain things. They are not an indication of a good programmer, or the innate abilities that good programmers posess. A degree combined with good performance in school can help, but it shouldn't be a factor in the final decision. Demonstrated programming ability is what I generally look for, and those "Uni projects" which are mostly academic, are good for showing off your skills. I blogged about this employment situation not too long ago. Go to my blog and look in the archive for the article "IT Job Market Sucks"... http://smoothjazzy.blogspot.com/[^]
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
For starters, communication skills are important as well.
I agree, but having good academic records is also not a guarantee for having good communication skills.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
How many of them are actually employable?
That can be checked by recrutment process isn't it.
Best Regards, Apurva Kaushal
Grades may not be a guarantee for a rewarding career but they are not just 'numbers' that you can fling to the air. Those with good records get a good start in the industry. It's up to them to make the best of it. I've learned this the hard way. Nobody wants to believe I'm competent to be industry because my numbers say otherwise. I've learned, one way to push your luck is by doing a smart offense before the company starts flipping your docs("you know, those were hard earned grades"... or "...that's the best grade you would ever have in our class..") And it works. ;) rexlallatajr
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Michael P Butler wrote:
I think it is more a shortage of "good" people rather than a general shortage.
Here it's a shortage of "cheap" people hence the offshoring and importation using the H1-B system. H1-Bs are also heavily used in companies started by immigrants. They'd rather hire cousin Moe than deal with the locals.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
In the past, I was called everything from 'racist' to 'xenophobic' by making that exact argument. Anyone with a clear head, that is not following some strict political agenda, can see that there is a gross distortion in the 'facts' presented by companies. I have a friend that I have worked with in the past. He lost his job to outsourcing, and was unable to find another job for 9 months. In that period, he lost his house, and had to start over. When the gov't tells us that this will help our country, I just don't see it.