UML Modeller
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Hopefully not considered a programming question.... Which UML Modeller do you generally use, I am stuck with Microsoft's old Visual Modeller and was trying to find a better one. Any suggestions ?
Darka [Xanya] "I am not a slave to a god that doesn't exist."
I tested out a variety of UML modellers and frankly, they all have their strengths and weaknesses. I ended up using Enterprise Architect as it was the most well rounded package in terms of features, usability, and cost. Marc
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Hopefully not considered a programming question.... Which UML Modeller do you generally use, I am stuck with Microsoft's old Visual Modeller and was trying to find a better one. Any suggestions ?
Darka [Xanya] "I am not a slave to a god that doesn't exist."
There is Poseidon for UML[^], but it's damn slow (Java :rolleyes:). Commercial licenses start at $249/€199.
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thanks toxcct, damn that's expensive though, any cheaper ones (company will not pay for rose) or open source solutions ?
Darka [Xanya] "I am not a slave to a god that doesn't exist."
Jonathan [Darka] wrote:
damn that's expensive though
yes, i know that, i don't use it at home, only at work ;) but i don't know any others... sorry
You don't know where to start ? ask a good friend
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Hopefully not considered a programming question.... Which UML Modeller do you generally use, I am stuck with Microsoft's old Visual Modeller and was trying to find a better one. Any suggestions ?
Darka [Xanya] "I am not a slave to a god that doesn't exist."
I've been programming for almost 30 years, and have never needed a UML tool, and it certainly isn't because I've never worked on huge or complex projects. As far as I'm concerned, UML is a waste of money and resources.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Hopefully not considered a programming question.... Which UML Modeller do you generally use, I am stuck with Microsoft's old Visual Modeller and was trying to find a better one. Any suggestions ?
Darka [Xanya] "I am not a slave to a god that doesn't exist."
I just use Visio - It is fine for most things.
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I've been programming for almost 30 years, and have never needed a UML tool, and it certainly isn't because I've never worked on huge or complex projects. As far as I'm concerned, UML is a waste of money and resources.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001As far as I'm concerned, UML is a waste of money and resources. I tend to agree but office politics.... :)
Darka [Xanya] "I am not a slave to a god that doesn't exist."
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I just use Visio - It is fine for most things.
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I like visio too but again licenses are required and other developers here prefer UML.
Darka [Xanya] "I am not a slave to a god that doesn't exist."
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Hopefully not considered a programming question.... Which UML Modeller do you generally use, I am stuck with Microsoft's old Visual Modeller and was trying to find a better one. Any suggestions ?
Darka [Xanya] "I am not a slave to a god that doesn't exist."
Enterprise Architect (not to be confused with Visual Studio IDE). This is as good a Rational Rose (IMO, of course), and it is CHEAP. http://www.sparxsystems.com.au/[^]
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I've been programming for almost 30 years, and have never needed a UML tool, and it certainly isn't because I've never worked on huge or complex projects. As far as I'm concerned, UML is a waste of money and resources.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Hence the Tag Outlaw Programmer :-) There is a time and place for UML, I have and Have not used it in the past. I have traditionally used it to Model Specifications before I send them to India and they come back in a solution I didn't model. So UML can be labeled as a waste of time in that sense, but sometimes they do work when the developer knows about them :-) The best UML modeler I can think of is the "White Board" but it makes hard work for Filing!! :-)
"a fool will not learn from a wise man, but a wise man will learn from a fool" "It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed." - Theodore Roosevelt "Success is going from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
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I like visio too but again licenses are required and other developers here prefer UML.
Darka [Xanya] "I am not a slave to a god that doesn't exist."
Jonathan [Darka] wrote:
other developers here prefer UML.
You can do UML in Visio.
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Hopefully not considered a programming question.... Which UML Modeller do you generally use, I am stuck with Microsoft's old Visual Modeller and was trying to find a better one. Any suggestions ?
Darka [Xanya] "I am not a slave to a god that doesn't exist."
Check StarUML. OpenSource, only for Windows, good :)
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Check StarUML. OpenSource, only for Windows, good :)
dentharg wrote:
StarUML
I was just about to mention StarUML :) Seems to be pretty good.
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I've been programming for almost 30 years, and have never needed a UML tool, and it certainly isn't because I've never worked on huge or complex projects. As far as I'm concerned, UML is a waste of money and resources.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
UML is a waste of money and resources.
Do you also believe getting requirements defined and understood to be a waste of money and resources? Documenting the use cases and senarios and getting customer concurance that you understand and support their business process is not a waste.
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Jonathan [Darka] wrote:
other developers here prefer UML.
You can do UML in Visio.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
You can do UML in Visio.
You can make diagrams in Visio, that is just a subset of what is UML. If diagrams is all you want then a napkin is fine.
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Hopefully not considered a programming question.... Which UML Modeller do you generally use, I am stuck with Microsoft's old Visual Modeller and was trying to find a better one. Any suggestions ?
Darka [Xanya] "I am not a slave to a god that doesn't exist."
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
You can do UML in Visio.
You can make diagrams in Visio, that is just a subset of what is UML. If diagrams is all you want then a napkin is fine.
Sorry, I don't have a napkin, would a serviette do?
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Enterprise Architect is a good choice. However, also consider StarUML and ArgoUML. As far a SmartDraw is concerned, it is also useful.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
ArgoUML
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
SmartDraw
Argo isn't too bad, and SmartDraw is another good one. I pretty much have Posideon, Argo, SmartDraw, and StarUML all on this machine.
Marc Clifton wrote:
I tested out a variety of UML modellers and frankly, they all have their strengths and weaknesses
I agree with him and that is pretty much why I use the four different programs for UML.
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Hence the Tag Outlaw Programmer :-) There is a time and place for UML, I have and Have not used it in the past. I have traditionally used it to Model Specifications before I send them to India and they come back in a solution I didn't model. So UML can be labeled as a waste of time in that sense, but sometimes they do work when the developer knows about them :-) The best UML modeler I can think of is the "White Board" but it makes hard work for Filing!! :-)
"a fool will not learn from a wise man, but a wise man will learn from a fool" "It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed." - Theodore Roosevelt "Success is going from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
cykophysh39 wrote:
The best UML modeler I can think of is the "White Board" but it makes hard work for Filing!!
You always could use a digital camera and take a picture of the UML diagram on the whiteboard.
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Hence the Tag Outlaw Programmer :-) There is a time and place for UML, I have and Have not used it in the past. I have traditionally used it to Model Specifications before I send them to India and they come back in a solution I didn't model. So UML can be labeled as a waste of time in that sense, but sometimes they do work when the developer knows about them :-) The best UML modeler I can think of is the "White Board" but it makes hard work for Filing!! :-)
"a fool will not learn from a wise man, but a wise man will learn from a fool" "It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed." - Theodore Roosevelt "Success is going from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
cykophysh39 wrote:
The best UML modeler I can think of is the "White Board" but it makes hard work for Filing!!
Then get a digital white board! http://www2.smarttech.com/st/en-US/Products/SMART+Boards/Front+Projection/600+Series/[^] http://www.electronicwhiteboardswarehouse.com/[^] it's only as expensive as a couple of copies of rational rose.... or you can use a 12mp digital camera and just photograph a real white board. ;P
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cykophysh39 wrote:
The best UML modeler I can think of is the "White Board" but it makes hard work for Filing!!
You always could use a digital camera and take a picture of the UML diagram on the whiteboard.
LOL Spoken like a man with experience, now one realises why Mobile phones have camera's attached to them now :-)
"a fool will not learn from a wise man, but a wise man will learn from a fool" "It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed." - Theodore Roosevelt "Success is going from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill