Bad Sentences
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It is you who have change the issue. The original poster questioned the professionalism of sysinternals based on a single sentence. My objection is that such charge is extreme if not boderline hysterical. The issue that you are raising now is that PRECISELY because of the high level of professionalism (which the original poster questioned), the guys at sysinternals cannot afford a single mistake on a non-technical matter. I say we all make mistakes, some big some small, and so what? The bottom line is: Should it be fixed? Sure. Does it really matter or say anything whatsoever about sysinternals professionalism? Not in the least.
I did not question the professionalism of Sysinternals - rather, I pointed out a mistake of the editor or whoever wrote the sentence, which I highly doubt was Mark himself. I have nothing but the deepest respect for Mark and Bryce. Their utilities are absolutely amazing, and their books are also amazing. Even if one of the Sysinternals guys wrote that sentence, it is just a human mistake. Understandable. In any case, it is jsut a bit humorous since everything I have ever seen from Sysinternals is always of the highest quality. It just shows we all make mistakes. Mike
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DaTxomin wrote:
anal-retentive snobbery
If you don't value correctness, you are part of the problem.
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I think the point wasn't to dismiss mistakes, but rather to realize that people make them.
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I did not question the professionalism of Sysinternals - rather, I pointed out a mistake of the editor or whoever wrote the sentence, which I highly doubt was Mark himself. I have nothing but the deepest respect for Mark and Bryce. Their utilities are absolutely amazing, and their books are also amazing. Even if one of the Sysinternals guys wrote that sentence, it is just a human mistake. Understandable. In any case, it is jsut a bit humorous since everything I have ever seen from Sysinternals is always of the highest quality. It just shows we all make mistakes. Mike
Mike_V wrote:
I pointed out a mistake
Why did you point it out here instead of sending an email to them?
Mike_V wrote:
In any case, it is jsut a bit humorous
Really? How so?
Mike_V wrote:
I have nothing but the deepest respect for Mark and Bryce
In my opinion you just made fun of Mark and Bryce and by doing so you showed them the disrespect.
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Mike_V wrote:
I pointed out a mistake
Why did you point it out here instead of sending an email to them?
Mike_V wrote:
In any case, it is jsut a bit humorous
Really? How so?
Mike_V wrote:
I have nothing but the deepest respect for Mark and Bryce
In my opinion you just made fun of Mark and Bryce and by doing so you showed them the disrespect.
I guess humorous was probably the wrong word. What I meant was that everything they do is of soch high quality that even the slightest mistake, however minor, stands out. Again, it is just a mistake. And my original post was good-natured. I didn't make fun of them. (If I had wanted to criticize them, the OP would have been worded much differently.) Or if you didn't see that, maybe a smiley would have helped.
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JimmyRopes wrote:
You have to be from Az or have friends from Az to understand it.
Okay, it was just really eye-popping to see that message :laugh:
Actually, I should have said "f@ck me dead, mate". :omg: You would have to hear my friend's wife Nit (Nittaya, a Thai national) use it to understand all the implications. :rolleyes: Actually, Gary, her husband (originally from Sydney) had to hush her a few times when they went to Az to visit with his family a few months back. She didn't know when it was appropriate to say it and when it wasn't. :wtf: Apparently, if you are male it is appropriate anytime but if you are female it isn't. As with any other cultural convention, that you didn't grow up using, I am still learning. :laugh:
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Actually, I should have said "f@ck me dead, mate". :omg: You would have to hear my friend's wife Nit (Nittaya, a Thai national) use it to understand all the implications. :rolleyes: Actually, Gary, her husband (originally from Sydney) had to hush her a few times when they went to Az to visit with his family a few months back. She didn't know when it was appropriate to say it and when it wasn't. :wtf: Apparently, if you are male it is appropriate anytime but if you are female it isn't. As with any other cultural convention, that you didn't grow up using, I am still learning. :laugh:
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
JimmyRopes wrote:
She didn't know when it was appropriate to say it and when it wasn't.
:wtf: here too :)
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Well, make sure you don't miss a SINGLE coma or you are doomed. There are those that would consider you stupid and unprofessional. What's more important, whatever the quality of your work, it will be dismissed right off. If you don't value common sense, the problem will be yours.
DaTxomin wrote:
Well, make sure you don't miss a SINGLE coma or you are doomed.
Personally, I like to side step every coma that appears in front of me.
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Mike_V wrote:
Did somebody not proofread the FIRST SENTENCE on the website?!
Yes. Unfortunately, that somebody was a 7yr-old girl, and thus didn't see a problem...
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Run-on sentences are bad and run-ons make a website or any document look unprofessional and they are easy to avoid, an example of a run-on sentence can be found at http://www.sysinternals.com[^] "The Sysinternals web site was created in 1996 by Mark Russinovich and Bryce Cogswell to host their advanced system utilities and technical information and Microsoft acquired Sysinternals in July, 2006." Seriously! Did somebody not proofread the FIRST SENTENCE on the website?! My first post from Vista! Mike
Mike_V wrote:
Run-on sentences are bad and run-ons make a website or any document look unprofessional and they are easy to avoid, an example of a run-on sentence can be found at http://www.sysinternals.com[^]
There's another good example...
Todd Smith
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It is you who have change the issue. The original poster questioned the professionalism of sysinternals based on a single sentence. My objection is that such charge is extreme if not boderline hysterical. The issue that you are raising now is that PRECISELY because of the high level of professionalism (which the original poster questioned), the guys at sysinternals cannot afford a single mistake on a non-technical matter. I say we all make mistakes, some big some small, and so what? The bottom line is: Should it be fixed? Sure. Does it really matter or say anything whatsoever about sysinternals professionalism? Not in the least.
How you have the nerve to call people anal retentive when you read your own contribution to this thread is amazing.
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I understand what you are saying and it applies when it applies. We all develop software, design sites, write logs/articles, etc. We also receive feedback. When it comes down to the language we use, there are two kinds of emails we get. Type one: "Take a look at the options dialog. I found a typo." Type two: "There is a comma missing on page 28 of the documentation. Do you guys have college degrees? Are you able to spell your own name? It is an insult to the English language that people like you are allow to..." In short, if you find a typo, let the guys know. they will appreciate it. If, on the other hand, you go catastrophic, prepare to be mocked for your anal-retentive snobbery.
Oh, but anal retention can be so much fun:-D
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The syntax police attacks again. What else is new. A crazy guess. Sysinternals will survive the onslaught on account of the content of the site not a freaking single run-on sentence.
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Run-on sentences are bad and run-ons make a website or any document look unprofessional and they are easy to avoid, an example of a run-on sentence can be found at http://www.sysinternals.com[^] "The Sysinternals web site was created in 1996 by Mark Russinovich and Bryce Cogswell to host their advanced system utilities and technical information and Microsoft acquired Sysinternals in July, 2006." Seriously! Did somebody not proofread the FIRST SENTENCE on the website?! My first post from Vista! Mike
Seriously, don't you have better things to do than calling people on minor mistakes like that? I'm suprised you even caught it. It's no where near as bad as some of the stuff out there. You can find an error like that on almost any web site you look at. Of course, I'm sure your web site is perfect, right?
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Run-on sentences are bad and run-ons make a website or any document look unprofessional and they are easy to avoid, an example of a run-on sentence can be found at http://www.sysinternals.com[^] "The Sysinternals web site was created in 1996 by Mark Russinovich and Bryce Cogswell to host their advanced system utilities and technical information and Microsoft acquired Sysinternals in July, 2006." Seriously! Did somebody not proofread the FIRST SENTENCE on the website?! My first post from Vista! Mike
Mike_V wrote:
Run-on sentences are bad and run-ons make a website or any document look unprofessional and they are easy to avoid, an example of a run-on sentence can be found at http://www.sysinternals.com[^]
Gee, Mike, how about your own run-on sentence! That's really two sentences. The first sentence should end at "easy to avoid" (after which should appear a period) and the second begins at "an example of" (which should begin with a capital A). Couldn't help but notice, dude. ;P
Thorn
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Mike_V wrote:
Run-on sentences are bad and run-ons make a website or any document look unprofessional and they are easy to avoid, an example of a run-on sentence can be found at http://www.sysinternals.com[^]
Gee, Mike, how about your own run-on sentence! That's really two sentences. The first sentence should end at "easy to avoid" (after which should appear a period) and the second begins at "an example of" (which should begin with a capital A). Couldn't help but notice, dude. ;P
Thorn
Ooops, someone already said that. Never mind. :doh:
Thorn
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Ooops, someone already said that. Never mind. :doh:
Thorn
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depending on where you are - lets say you're in the States (USA I mean) - you could be 18 to 22 hours behind us, so yes, Saturday for you IS Sunday for us .... we are GMT + 11 - you're likely to be GMT -(some factor) 'g'
Garth J Lancaster wrote:
lets say you're in the States (USA I mean) - you could be 18 to 22 hours behind us, so yes, Saturday for you IS Sunday for us ....
I don't get this, are you serious? :confused: There is no where on the planet that far behind the States. In fact, the States is behind most other places.
Garth J Lancaster wrote:
we are GMT + 11 - you're likely to be GMT -(some factor)
The US is GMT -(some factor) ;P In fact, the US is about dead last (depending on which part of the US you are in of course).
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Garth J Lancaster wrote:
lets say you're in the States (USA I mean) - you could be 18 to 22 hours behind us, so yes, Saturday for you IS Sunday for us ....
I don't get this, are you serious? :confused: There is no where on the planet that far behind the States. In fact, the States is behind most other places.
Garth J Lancaster wrote:
we are GMT + 11 - you're likely to be GMT -(some factor)
The US is GMT -(some factor) ;P In fact, the US is about dead last (depending on which part of the US you are in of course).
RenHoek1981 wrote:
I don't get this, are you serious?
yes.. but your disbeleif is almost as if I had suggested to you that the world was round and not flat (ref : history & one C. Columbus) you really need to look at something like http://www.worldtimezone.com/[^] or http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/[^] to get a feel for whats happening .. this site starts explaining GMT etc http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/index.htm[^] so to try and illustrate for you, The Greenwich Meridian in London, UK is 'GMT 0' : Timezones are divided into + (East of the Meridian), and '-', West of The Meridian, there are 24 time-zones around the globe in Sydney, east of the Greenwich Meridian, is 'GMT+10' its 12:05 - ie 5 minutes after midday, Tuesday 21/11 in Los Angeles, west of the Greenwich Meridian, 'GMT-8' its 17:05, Monday Night 20/11 in New York, west of the Greenwich Meridian but being further East of LA, 'GMT-5' its 20:05, Monday Night 20/11 if you look at LA and Sydney, and count from '-8' LA to '+10' Sydney, its 18 hours and that is the actual difference in time, and where you cross Greenwich Meridian or '0', heading from West to East the date advances by one day (I think Ive explained that correctly) Which is why if you call me at 8:00am Wednesday your time I wont be a happy camper, it will be 3am Thursday here ! 'g'
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RenHoek1981 wrote:
I don't get this, are you serious?
yes.. but your disbeleif is almost as if I had suggested to you that the world was round and not flat (ref : history & one C. Columbus) you really need to look at something like http://www.worldtimezone.com/[^] or http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/[^] to get a feel for whats happening .. this site starts explaining GMT etc http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/index.htm[^] so to try and illustrate for you, The Greenwich Meridian in London, UK is 'GMT 0' : Timezones are divided into + (East of the Meridian), and '-', West of The Meridian, there are 24 time-zones around the globe in Sydney, east of the Greenwich Meridian, is 'GMT+10' its 12:05 - ie 5 minutes after midday, Tuesday 21/11 in Los Angeles, west of the Greenwich Meridian, 'GMT-8' its 17:05, Monday Night 20/11 in New York, west of the Greenwich Meridian but being further East of LA, 'GMT-5' its 20:05, Monday Night 20/11 if you look at LA and Sydney, and count from '-8' LA to '+10' Sydney, its 18 hours and that is the actual difference in time, and where you cross Greenwich Meridian or '0', heading from West to East the date advances by one day (I think Ive explained that correctly) Which is why if you call me at 8:00am Wednesday your time I wont be a happy camper, it will be 3am Thursday here ! 'g'
Sorry if my reply came on a little strong (I rarely post anything on forums and that was actually my first post on this site) (Plus I didn't get much sleep last night and I'm grumpy when I'm tired, so my reply may have seemed rude :zzz:). What I meant was that the US is behind other places. You are saying that the US is ahead of other places. If you look at the times you pasted in yourself from the time zone website, you can see that isn't the case. P.S. Sydney will have an extra hour because it's daylight savings time now.
