Windows Vista Notepad
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List view is useful for large directories of files - it fits the absolute maximum number on screen at once. I have used it as my default view for the last 7 or 8 years now. But then, you already knew I would be saying that. :)
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Sleep deprivation does not cause physical harm. Humans can only survive about a week without sleep before flat out dying. - Espeir Logic Prism.How is it useful though to list all those files without any info except their name and an icon?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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How is it useful though to list all those files without any info except their name and an icon?
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Why do you go in to a directory? You go in to find a file or group of files. The more you can see at once, the less time it will take to find the one/s you want. Files are identified by their name, what use is other information 99% of the time? I was not aware that the list view was at all unpopular, especially amojng devs. All of the devs I work with use list view 100% the time like myself. The only exception is when I actually need to see a modified date and sorting alone isn't enough, in which case I'll swap to detailed view temporarily. It is also significantly faster to use the list and/or detailed view than using the icon or tile views, particularly when you are navigating directories containing many hundreds of file or over a network.
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But did OS/2 have Purble Palace[^]? (If you buy the Ultimate edition you get an extra game type too.)
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Why do you go in to a directory? You go in to find a file or group of files. The more you can see at once, the less time it will take to find the one/s you want. Files are identified by their name, what use is other information 99% of the time? I was not aware that the list view was at all unpopular, especially amojng devs. All of the devs I work with use list view 100% the time like myself. The only exception is when I actually need to see a modified date and sorting alone isn't enough, in which case I'll swap to detailed view temporarily. It is also significantly faster to use the list and/or detailed view than using the icon or tile views, particularly when you are navigating directories containing many hundreds of file or over a network.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music to programmers listen to?
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Sleep deprivation does not cause physical harm. Humans can only survive about a week without sleep before flat out dying. - Espeir Logic Prism.I don't go into directories just for large groups of files. I'd say it is a 50/50 split between big groups and individual files. I find it faster to scan a single column list too, rather than side by side columns. Dates are important as I often know when I edited a file. It is easy to scan date lists for the right day or time block and then start reading filenames. Size is also important. I found my vista download in my downloads directory by going for size. I guess it is just different ways of finding things. Good thing they left the List view in then, for odd types like you ;) (never met a dev who liked List view, till you.)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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List view is useful for large directories of files - it fits the absolute maximum number on screen at once. I have used it as my default view for the last 7 or 8 years now. But then, you already knew I would be saying that. :)
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music to programmers listen to?
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Sleep deprivation does not cause physical harm. Humans can only survive about a week without sleep before flat out dying. - Espeir Logic Prism.David Wulff wrote:
List view is useful for large directories of files - it fits the absolute maximum number on screen at once.
Last i checked, it makes every column as wide as would be necessary for the longest filename in the directory. This wastes a lot of space. So yeah, it shows more files than the other view options, but it could do more. And, you don't get the date and size. Also, i hate horizontal scrolling.
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David Wulff wrote:
List view is useful for large directories of files - it fits the absolute maximum number on screen at once.
Last i checked, it makes every column as wide as would be necessary for the longest filename in the directory. This wastes a lot of space. So yeah, it shows more files than the other view options, but it could do more. And, you don't get the date and size. Also, i hate horizontal scrolling.
If you have the list view set as default, all columns will be the same size regardless of the file name length when you first enter a directory. Only if you then hit F5 will it resize the columns (and even then, it has limits).
Shog9 wrote:
Also, i hate horizontal scrolling
That is what mouse wheels are for. Just scroll down, and it will move down the list, even if that means moving the window to the left.
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If you have the list view set as default, all columns will be the same size regardless of the file name length when you first enter a directory. Only if you then hit F5 will it resize the columns (and even then, it has limits).
Shog9 wrote:
Also, i hate horizontal scrolling
That is what mouse wheels are for. Just scroll down, and it will move down the list, even if that means moving the window to the left.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music to programmers listen to?
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Sleep deprivation does not cause physical harm. Humans can only survive about a week without sleep before flat out dying. - Espeir Logic Prism.David Wulff wrote:
If you have the list view set as default, all columns will be the same size regardless of the file name length when you first enter a directory.
I know they're the same size. That was my point - that all columns are the same width, regardless of whether that much width is actually needed to display the files in that column.
David Wulff wrote:
That is what mouse wheels are for. Just scroll down, and it will move down the list, even if that means moving the window to the left.
Yeah, i guess that gripe was a big vague. It's not that i have trouble scrolling when i need to, it's that i dislike it scrolling when i don't. I can't begin to count the number of times i've selected the wrong file in a List mode listview by Ctrl+clicking a partially-obscured name in the right column, only to have it scroll into view, causing my next click to select a file from the new right column. And yes, this just gets worse when you have one long filename amongst many short ones, resulting in big gobs of whitespace between columns.
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David Wulff wrote:
If you have the list view set as default, all columns will be the same size regardless of the file name length when you first enter a directory.
I know they're the same size. That was my point - that all columns are the same width, regardless of whether that much width is actually needed to display the files in that column.
David Wulff wrote:
That is what mouse wheels are for. Just scroll down, and it will move down the list, even if that means moving the window to the left.
Yeah, i guess that gripe was a big vague. It's not that i have trouble scrolling when i need to, it's that i dislike it scrolling when i don't. I can't begin to count the number of times i've selected the wrong file in a List mode listview by Ctrl+clicking a partially-obscured name in the right column, only to have it scroll into view, causing my next click to select a file from the new right column. And yes, this just gets worse when you have one long filename amongst many short ones, resulting in big gobs of whitespace between columns.
Shog9 wrote:
all columns are the same width, regardless of whether that much width is actually needed to display the files in that column
What I meant was that the columns are the same size for filenames 10 characters long as those 255 characters long by default. It only increases if you refresh the list after it loads. By default, long filesname are shown with '...' after the first 30 odd characters. (I've just checked, but can't be bothered to count them.) Interestingly, I just checked this on Windows XP x64 (where it does what I've just said) and Windows Server 2003 (where it doesn't do what I've just said). I'm not in front of Vista right now to check but it would be interesting to see which one it follows. I'm guessing Vista follows on from XP so it should copy that behaviour, but I don't know yet.
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Shog9 wrote:
all columns are the same width, regardless of whether that much width is actually needed to display the files in that column
What I meant was that the columns are the same size for filenames 10 characters long as those 255 characters long by default. It only increases if you refresh the list after it loads. By default, long filesname are shown with '...' after the first 30 odd characters. (I've just checked, but can't be bothered to count them.) Interestingly, I just checked this on Windows XP x64 (where it does what I've just said) and Windows Server 2003 (where it doesn't do what I've just said). I'm not in front of Vista right now to check but it would be interesting to see which one it follows. I'm guessing Vista follows on from XP so it should copy that behaviour, but I don't know yet.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music to programmers listen to?
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Sleep deprivation does not cause physical harm. Humans can only survive about a week without sleep before flat out dying. - Espeir Logic Prism.Huh... I'm using XP, and don't think i've ever seen the behavior you describe. Perhaps it is something to do with defaults though - i've certainly run into other odd/annoying things related to defaults on XP. I'll have to reboot into Vista later, and see how that acts.
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(This is not a "Mac OS X had that years ago" post at all.)
David Wulff wrote:
I even like the new control panel now I've discovered how great the search feature is.
I was so glad to see that in Vista since it has become indespensible to me from having used it in Mac OS X. All interfaces that list options should have that top-right filter/search feature. Bloody marvelous. As for harder I am finding the new Explorer to be a bit finicky. Especially trying to just type stuff into the address bar. Microsoft should copy the column feature from Mac OS X Finder. That works wonderfully well.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
Paul Watson wrote:
Microsoft should copy the column feature
Is this the one that keeps expanding out columns to the left when you select something a column? If so, that is one of the features of Mac that makes me stay away, I would rather have a tree view with folders.
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Shog9 wrote:
But yeah, OS/2 still shipped with a better text editor.
And you know the difference between Elvis and OS/2...?
Kevin
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Yes or, alternatively: "OS/2 is really dead." :)
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
"OS/2 is really dead."
No it's not, OS2 workstations are just now starting to get replaced and that's mostly because of hardware failures. The banking industry was OS2’s biggest adopter, and they hold on to technology for dear life.
I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:
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No, not the name of a new Windows Vista edition, but a comment about the Notepad application on Vista: Microsoft have finally updated Notepad so double clicking to select is aware of non-whitespace word breaks. It makes editing config files, xml, etc, 100 times easier. Characters like "'=-,. etc now break selections by default. It is just one more of those little changes in Windows - like file copying - that makes it a more pleasant tool to work with. All the more so when you don't even notice it was changed until you switch back to a Windows XP machine and find you can't do it. I've been using Vista for over a week now and since the somewhat trying installation fiasco my impression has been quite a positive one. I even like the new control panel now I've discovered how great the search feature is. I had turned UAC off while I set up the machine, but turned it over the weekend and so far haven't found it too intrusive. Time will tell just how useful it really is. For those of you that are evaluating the final build of Vista, what other changes (big or little) do you find make your day easier? Or harder?
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Why do you go in to a directory? You go in to find a file or group of files. The more you can see at once, the less time it will take to find the one/s you want. Files are identified by their name, what use is other information 99% of the time? I was not aware that the list view was at all unpopular, especially amojng devs. All of the devs I work with use list view 100% the time like myself. The only exception is when I actually need to see a modified date and sorting alone isn't enough, in which case I'll swap to detailed view temporarily. It is also significantly faster to use the list and/or detailed view than using the icon or tile views, particularly when you are navigating directories containing many hundreds of file or over a network.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music to programmers listen to?
Join the Code Project Last.fm group | dwulff
Sleep deprivation does not cause physical harm. Humans can only survive about a week without sleep before flat out dying. - Espeir Logic Prism.I always use details view, I have almost always used details view - not least because it enables one to rapidly change the sort order. Don't use list because its neither fish nor fowl...
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Paul Watson wrote:
Microsoft should copy the column feature
Is this the one that keeps expanding out columns to the left when you select something a column? If so, that is one of the features of Mac that makes me stay away, I would rather have a tree view with folders.
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: ASP.NET HttpException - Cannot use leading "..".. Latest Tech Blog Post: Blog changed to Subtext!
It expands it out to the right (maybe left if you have an Arabic OS?) but essentially yes. There is a tree option in Mac OS X Finder. It is often the default choice.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
I don't see it happening, at least not until it becomes pointless.
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Huh... I'm using XP, and don't think i've ever seen the behavior you describe. Perhaps it is something to do with defaults though - i've certainly run into other odd/annoying things related to defaults on XP. I'll have to reboot into Vista later, and see how that acts.
I'm on Vista (64 bit) now and it doesn't do it. I completely forgot to check on my work machine, but I can definately confirm it does it as described on Windows XP Pro x64. AFAIK all I've done is set it as the default view from the My computer window then applied it to all folders.
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I'm on Vista (64 bit) now and it doesn't do it. I completely forgot to check on my work machine, but I can definately confirm it does it as described on Windows XP Pro x64. AFAIK all I've done is set it as the default view from the My computer window then applied it to all folders.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music to programmers listen to?
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Sleep deprivation does not cause physical harm. Humans can only survive about a week without sleep before flat out dying. - Espeir Logic Prism.David Wulff wrote:
AFAIK all I've done is set it as the default view from the My computer window then applied it to all folders.
Well, if i do that i'll be kicking myself for the next year as i try to get my folders customized back the way i like 'em, so i'll take your word for it.
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
"OS/2 is really dead."
No it's not, OS2 workstations are just now starting to get replaced and that's mostly because of hardware failures. The banking industry was OS2’s biggest adopter, and they hold on to technology for dear life.
I'd love to help, but unfortunatley I have prior commitments monitoring the length of my grass. :Andrew Bleakley:
It was a joke - you take it too seriously. Actually, in the UK, I'd read that OS/2 had been dumped some years ago.
Kevin
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If you have the list view set as default, all columns will be the same size regardless of the file name length when you first enter a directory. Only if you then hit F5 will it resize the columns (and even then, it has limits).
Shog9 wrote:
Also, i hate horizontal scrolling
That is what mouse wheels are for. Just scroll down, and it will move down the list, even if that means moving the window to the left.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music to programmers listen to?
Join the Code Project Last.fm group | dwulff
Sleep deprivation does not cause physical harm. Humans can only survive about a week without sleep before flat out dying. - Espeir Logic Prism.David Wulff wrote:
Shog9 wrote: Also, i hate horizontal scrolling That is what mouse wheels are for. Just scroll down, and it will move down the list, even if that means moving the window to the left.
I had to smile.. I think Shog meant side to side scrolling when he said "horizontal".:laugh: I use list view at work 90% of the time and only use details when I need to sort by some factor of file type or date or file name. Thumbnails I use only on my local machine and basically when I'm needing to view the graphic files I deal with,
