Question about melatonin [modified]
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if you want good sleep 1) increase your physical workout 2) if you have stress problems try meditation 3) drink extra water 4) quit coffee / tea 5) try to quit alcohol/cigarettes 6) good sex before sleep will do (only if you are eligible :laugh:) 7) balance you diet its your body and take care of it ,it will pay you back and vice versa :):)
it is good to be important but it is more important to be good
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Josh Gray wrote:
My father suffered from depression for many many years and was treated with Zoloft, its a real illness just like heart disease or anything else. If you want you can email me and Ill tell you a bit about what I learnt through his experiance.
I no longer suffer from depression except maybe a mild down day every now and then. It used to be extremely bad but time and mental effort allowed me to get passed it. My only problem now is slight anxiety at times and sleep problems occasionally. I don't have the money for doctors and such and I don't think I need them any more. I'm interested in 5-HTP because it provides a light mood lift and calming effect(great for those anxious days or in social situations) together with melatonin should provide good sleep which should prevent me from falling back into depression. Oh and Kava looks very interesting, I will try it eventually.
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Captain See Sharpgreat for those anxious days or in social situations)
Again, you need to treat the cause of this and not the symptoms. What if a hot girl asks you out and you dont have any 5-HTP?
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Shog9 wrote:
Yeah... i was trying to be low-key.
Well you know me; me and low-key don't mix. :-D
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Captain See Sharp Zoloft(I dont know the active ingredient) is synthetic, 5-HTP and meletonin are extracted from plants and we all ingest low levels of it at times.
It was a joke. Refer to my other post about how it doesn't mean it's good for you. Also, a lot of naturally occuring things aren't as bad for you in small dosages. Catch the drift? In fact, some things that are good for you in small dosages are very bad for you in large ones (like trace minerals for instance) and this is all natural stuff.
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Captain See Sharpgreat for those anxious days or in social situations)
Again, you need to treat the cause of this and not the symptoms. What if a hot girl asks you out and you dont have any 5-HTP?
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Josh Gray wrote:
What if a hot girl asks you out and you dont have any 5-HTP?
Say yes or whatever sounds good for that situation. However the 5-HTP would be helpful especially in a situation were I have to deal with a lot of customers at work.
Josh Gray wrote:
Again, you need to treat the cause of this and not the symptoms.
I know what the cause of the symptoms are and 5-HTP and good sleep are likely to remove the cause.
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John Cardinal wrote:
When winter came here I went out and bought the brightest compact flourescent lightbulbs I could afford and put them everywhere in the house, it's bright as day inside now and I find it makes a huge difference when you live in a bleak and dreary winter climate with no sunshine.
How's the flicker? I'd like to try something like that, but the flicker of most fluorescent fixtures annoys the heck out of me, and the price of keeping scores of halogen fixtures blazing gives me pause.
---- I just want you to be happy; That's my only little wish...
No flicker that I can see, I know what you mean about flicker it used to give me headaches in junior high school, but I haven't seen a flickery flourescent in many years. They all have little electronic ballasts in them, they probably can't visibly flicker. I could have used other types of lights, but when I calculated it out even with all the lights blazing everywhere in the house and additional new lamps I added it still came to a quarter the electricity that just the basic incandescent lights we used to leave on consumed. I went to Walmart and filled up a shopping basket and changed every one in the house. The bathroom has one of those crazy fixtures over the mirror with 6 light bulbs in it behind a cover, I replaced them all with the brightest whitest flourescents and now when you flick it on it's almost like staring into the sun. The main issue is that the bulbs are physically longer so I had to leave off some of the covers in the ceiling lights, but personally I think they're stupid anyway, why restrict the amount of light coming out? Of course my wife doesn't agree, but I promised to put the covers back on in spring when it get's bright out again (but actually I'm hoping to find bigger fixtures). Halogen is my absolute least favorite light source these days. It's so hot and throws out UV that you need a glass filter over it, badly inefficient, bright but not efficient. The flourescents are ultra bright and if you get the daylight kind, not the kind that mimic the yellowy tones of incandescents then suddenly you see your house in a whole new light so to speak. As if someone just ripped the roof off and the sun is shining in. It's really a weird thing to go from incandescent to nice bright white CF bulbs, you walk around the house like you've never seen it before. But the ultimate would surely be LED based lighting if they could just get their act together and start selling them widely at a reasonable price. That would be the killer lightbulb, a fraction of even the CF bulbs in energy use and bright white.
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Josh Gray wrote:
What if a hot girl asks you out and you dont have any 5-HTP?
Say yes or whatever sounds good for that situation. However the 5-HTP would be helpful especially in a situation were I have to deal with a lot of customers at work.
Josh Gray wrote:
Again, you need to treat the cause of this and not the symptoms.
I know what the cause of the symptoms are and 5-HTP and good sleep are likely to remove the cause.
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Captain See SharpI know what the cause of the symptoms are and 5-HTP and good sleep are likely to remove the cause.
I disagree but you seem to have convinced yourself dispite what pretty much everyone here is telling you. Remember what The Verve said "And the drugs dont work they just make you worse..."
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remember MASK was related to loki :laugh:
it is good to be important but it is more important to be good
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You'd be much better off finding the reason you cant sleep and addressing it. Excersize more, find new ways to cope with the source of stress etc etc etc
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For some of us, we've spent years trying to find the cause; changing diet, where we sleep, caffeine intake...for me I can't find the cause. Sometimes I can fall asleep no problem but then wake up constantly. Last night I would fall asleep, go right into dream world, wake up after 3 minutes and be awake for 10. Did that until about 11 am (yes I called into work since I had such little sleep).
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Josh Gray wrote:
Go see a doctor and ask for a referal to a counsellor.
I have and was prescribed Zoloft X| I did not enjoy quarter sized pupils and a spaced out feeling all day everyday. I quickly stopped taking it and never seen another doctor again.
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I personally went on Zoloft about 8 years ago after my dad died. The side effect? ADD. Then they gave me something for the ADD which I didn't like. So I live with--hey something shiny! My husband calls me Tangent Girl. Anyhow, it doesn't make me sleepy and I've had sleeping problems for years. The doctor perscribed something that is sometimes used as a mild anti-depressant (not one of those being advertised on tv). He said, 'you might have dry mouth.' I started having dreams where I was so thirsty, trying to drink from glasses only to have the water not come out--as if saran wrap was on the top of the glass. That was enough for me to quit. Sometimes I use benedryl, but more often I use alchohol. Bad, i know.
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John Cardinal wrote:
I wanted to say that but I felt like it would probably be ignored or had already been tried. I personally think people take way too much medication without addressing problems that are the root of their need to take it, but it's like yelling "soylent green is people" no one's going to listen in this day and age.
Exercise never seemed to help me much. Melatonin is a natural hormone produced by the penil gland in the center of your brain and it secretes th hormone at night and puts you to sleep. It is nothing like Xanax or Ambien.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Melatonin is a natural hormone produced by the penil gland in the center of your brain
That's pineal gland. :-> A friend of mine had some good results a while ago, but I'm not in regular contact any more.
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Captain See SharpIt is nothing like Xanax or Ambien.
Complete rubbish, the fact that it appears in the body naturally does not change the fact it is a drug. Remember the people selling and promoting this stuff are out to make a profit, that is their only aim and that why they keep telling you its natural. It might be natural but its not natural to supliment what the body produces. Guess what? all drugs are made from or derived from naturally occuring substances. See a doctor
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Josh Gray wrote:
Captain See Sharp It is nothing like Xanax or Ambien. Complete rubbish,
The people criticizing this 'drug' appear to know very little about it. It is nothing like Xanax or Ambien, addictive benzodiazepines. It is naturally occurring hormone of which levels in the body can be artificially increased by less than natural supplements. Of course knowledge and caution are always important, but this isn't just some fad diet medicine.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Captain See Sharp It is nothing like Xanax or Ambien. Complete rubbish,
The people criticizing this 'drug' appear to know very little about it. It is nothing like Xanax or Ambien, addictive benzodiazepines. It is naturally occurring hormone of which levels in the body can be artificially increased by less than natural supplements. Of course knowledge and caution are always important, but this isn't just some fad diet medicine.
Brady Kelly wrote:
The people criticizing this 'drug' appear to know very little about it. It is nothing like Xanax or Ambien, addictive benzodiazepines. It is naturally occurring hormone of which levels in the body can be artificially increased by less than natural supplements. Of course knowledge and caution are always important, but this isn't just some fad diet medicine.
Spoken like a true disciple
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I personally went on Zoloft about 8 years ago after my dad died. The side effect? ADD. Then they gave me something for the ADD which I didn't like. So I live with--hey something shiny! My husband calls me Tangent Girl. Anyhow, it doesn't make me sleepy and I've had sleeping problems for years. The doctor perscribed something that is sometimes used as a mild anti-depressant (not one of those being advertised on tv). He said, 'you might have dry mouth.' I started having dreams where I was so thirsty, trying to drink from glasses only to have the water not come out--as if saran wrap was on the top of the glass. That was enough for me to quit. Sometimes I use benedryl, but more often I use alchohol. Bad, i know.
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SSRI's have a lot of side effects and strange mental changes that I would rather not go through. Its one thing to take a drug once or twice but a constant supply of the drug in your blood stream is very bad for your mind, even if the doctors say its OK.
leckey wrote:
Sometimes I use benedryl, but more often I use alchohol. Bad, i know.
Kava has some interestingly similar effects as alcohol and considerably less harmful from what I read. From my research melatonin, 5-HTP, and Kava are recipes for sleep and the most vivid dreams you can have. One site that contains interesting information on just about any drug you can imagine is erowid.org[^] The most interesting reading at erowid is the experiences that people post on the specific drug they are taking.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
The people criticizing this 'drug' appear to know very little about it. It is nothing like Xanax or Ambien, addictive benzodiazepines. It is naturally occurring hormone of which levels in the body can be artificially increased by less than natural supplements. Of course knowledge and caution are always important, but this isn't just some fad diet medicine.
Spoken like a true disciple
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I've never even seen melatonin advertised, nor used it, but I am interested in trying it because of what I have heard from friends with first hand experience. You will seldom find me being a disciple of anything.
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
but you and Loki[^] might!
Oh yeah, he's the man. Just check out his beard. :laugh:
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Catch the drift?
Yeah, but Its worth a try.
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Captain See SharpYeah, but Its worth a try.
Well, best of luck to you. Just know there are better ways yo.
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For some of us, we've spent years trying to find the cause; changing diet, where we sleep, caffeine intake...for me I can't find the cause. Sometimes I can fall asleep no problem but then wake up constantly. Last night I would fall asleep, go right into dream world, wake up after 3 minutes and be awake for 10. Did that until about 11 am (yes I called into work since I had such little sleep).
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leckey wrote:
we've spent years trying to find the cause; changing diet, where we sleep, caffeine intake...for me I can't find the cause.
Well, the typical factors in not sleeping well are an irregular sleeping schedule, not routinely exercising, poor nutrition (low carb, low fad, etc. diets aren't the way to go), and stress. I don't know the diet change you went through and if it wasn't better just different (don't trust TV for that advice that's for sure), but while that helps it alone won't cut it when it comes time to pass out. Changing the location you sleep it a lot will actually worsen your chances of getting to sleep. To make a long story short, the brain gets used to where it passes out each night. Oh, and caffeine intake will never help you get to sleep. If stress if your reason, try meditation (yoga, hypnosis, etc.). This stuff works pretty well if you're really stressed. And, if not of this fits the bill then you very well may have a sleeping condition. I do find however that people like to kid themselves when it comes to exhausting all the possibilities (diet still sucks, don't want to exercise, still stressed, etc.).
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Captain See SharpI know what the cause of the symptoms are and 5-HTP and good sleep are likely to remove the cause.
I disagree but you seem to have convinced yourself dispite what pretty much everyone here is telling you. Remember what The Verve said "And the drugs dont work they just make you worse..."
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Josh Gray wrote:
I disagree but you seem to have convinced yourself dispite what pretty much everyone here is telling you.
Yeah, I got the same vibe. It's kinda sad when people are willing to turn every-which-way but inward.
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Josh Gray wrote:
My father suffered from depression for many many years and was treated with Zoloft, its a real illness just like heart disease or anything else. If you want you can email me and Ill tell you a bit about what I learnt through his experiance.
I no longer suffer from depression except maybe a mild down day every now and then. It used to be extremely bad but time and mental effort allowed me to get passed it. My only problem now is slight anxiety at times and sleep problems occasionally. I don't have the money for doctors and such and I don't think I need them any more. I'm interested in 5-HTP because it provides a light mood lift and calming effect(great for those anxious days or in social situations) together with melatonin should provide good sleep which should prevent me from falling back into depression. Oh and Kava looks very interesting, I will try it eventually.
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Captain See SharpIt used to be extremely bad but time and mental effort allowed me to get passed it. My only problem now is slight anxiety at times and sleep problems occasionally.
And I'm sure the two are related.
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