Borat
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Yes, assuming that taste has something to do with being politically correct.
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My girlfriend and I saw the movie 'Borat' last night. It was hilarious! If you aren't offended by completely vulgar/vile/disgusting/racist/sexist/un-PC remarks, but find them funny, then that movie is for you. If you are offended by them, sucks to be you! ;P
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What I find offensive is the deliberate and intentional deceit they used to entrap those being filmed. It really shows no character or ethics on the actors or producers part. I will not support it.
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I see "political correctness" as a futile attempt of people with no taste to understand taste.
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I see "political correctness" as a futile attempt of people with no taste to understand taste.
It's that, and a productive way of avoiding litigation! :laugh:
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What I find offensive is the deliberate and intentional deceit they used to entrap those being filmed. It really shows no character or ethics on the actors or producers part. I will not support it.
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peterchen wrote:
So "funny, but tasteless" is right?
Brussel sprouts are tasteless. The movie is just making fun of modern society and rural society - but totally exagerated of course :)
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Ashley van Gerven wrote:
Brussel sprouts are tasteless.
Oh, I beg to differ. They have plenty of taste, it just not good taste.
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My girlfriend and I saw the movie 'Borat' last night. It was hilarious! If you aren't offended by completely vulgar/vile/disgusting/racist/sexist/un-PC remarks, but find them funny, then that movie is for you. If you are offended by them, sucks to be you! ;P
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Some friends of mine are going tomorrow night. Still on the fence with this one. Just doesn't seem like there's enough there for 2 hours. It didn't get old after 30-45 minutes?
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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What I find offensive is the deliberate and intentional deceit they used to entrap those being filmed. It really shows no character or ethics on the actors or producers part. I will not support it.
Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
I will not support it.
I don't know anything about this movie, so as it stands currently I'm pretty neutral on this. But, I voted you a 5 to try and counter balance the idiots abusing the voting system when all you did was express your opinion on the matter. [edit] Looks like I upset one of them "idiots" I reckon. Man, I just can't live with the guilt. :rolleyes: [/edit]
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
I will not support it.
I don't know anything about this movie, so as it stands currently I'm pretty neutral on this. But, I voted you a 5 to try and counter balance the idiots abusing the voting system when all you did was express your opinion on the matter. [edit] Looks like I upset one of them "idiots" I reckon. Man, I just can't live with the guilt. :rolleyes: [/edit]
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
yet more counter balance :-D
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What I find offensive is the deliberate and intentional deceit they used to entrap those being filmed. It really shows no character or ethics on the actors or producers part. I will not support it.
I agree wholeheartedly. I dont have any big problem with pushing the boundaries of political correctness. In general I think people need to get a thicker skin. However deliberate and intentional deceipt (as you described it) which ridicules well intending people (even if they aren't the sharpest tools in the shed) is classless exploitation. Candid camera is similar in some ways except that the intent is jest whereas what I have seen on clips, and what I've heard, is that Borat exploits these individuals wih a degree of cruelty. David
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yet more counter balance :-D
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
yet more counter balance
Thanks. I just irks me when people want to whine just because someone doesn't agree with them. Talk about babies. His post wasn't annoying or tasteless, and yet they do that.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
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I agree wholeheartedly. I dont have any big problem with pushing the boundaries of political correctness. In general I think people need to get a thicker skin. However deliberate and intentional deceipt (as you described it) which ridicules well intending people (even if they aren't the sharpest tools in the shed) is classless exploitation. Candid camera is similar in some ways except that the intent is jest whereas what I have seen on clips, and what I've heard, is that Borat exploits these individuals wih a degree of cruelty. David
Orcrist wrote:
the intent is jest
Agree and with Candid Camera or shows like COPS, the filmed individual knows what the filming is for. They are not being told this is a documentary on American Culture. If you like satirical humor then fine, people need to laugh at themselves more often. Just be honest about the motives, is my point.
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I see "political correctness" as a futile attempt of people with no taste to understand taste.
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What I find offensive is the deliberate and intentional deceit they used to entrap those being filmed. It really shows no character or ethics on the actors or producers part. I will not support it.
I wouldn't say "entrap" as most of the situations are so extreme that most rational people would think something fishy is going on. And the fact that "Borat", in the movie, then proceeds to show the "entrapped" people's bias or behavior so clearly makes it fine in my book. For instance how the crowd cheers on when he "salutes" the American effort in Iraq but then turns on him when he butchers the American national anthem and sings that Kazakhstan is the most superior nation on earth.... fun for the family. Or the upper class dinner party which throws him out when his "friend" (fat black prostitute) appears, but not when he hands the hostess his "left overs" because he does not know how to use the toilet. It's merely candid camera with bias and prejudiced instead of slapstick comedy in my opinion.
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Some friends of mine are going tomorrow night. Still on the fence with this one. Just doesn't seem like there's enough there for 2 hours. It didn't get old after 30-45 minutes?
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wright -
I wouldn't say "entrap" as most of the situations are so extreme that most rational people would think something fishy is going on. And the fact that "Borat", in the movie, then proceeds to show the "entrapped" people's bias or behavior so clearly makes it fine in my book. For instance how the crowd cheers on when he "salutes" the American effort in Iraq but then turns on him when he butchers the American national anthem and sings that Kazakhstan is the most superior nation on earth.... fun for the family. Or the upper class dinner party which throws him out when his "friend" (fat black prostitute) appears, but not when he hands the hostess his "left overs" because he does not know how to use the toilet. It's merely candid camera with bias and prejudiced instead of slapstick comedy in my opinion.
Alsvha wrote:
I wouldn't say "entrap"
I would. They came in claiming to be doing a documentary on American Culture and got the film releases prior to the filming. Of course people immediately realized it was fishy, but by then it was too late for them as they had already waived their rights. In Candid Camera the release was done AFTER and people knew what they were agreeing to. Totally different conditions, one is ethical the other is not IMhO.
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Alsvha wrote:
I wouldn't say "entrap"
I would. They came in claiming to be doing a documentary on American Culture and got the film releases prior to the filming. Of course people immediately realized it was fishy, but by then it was too late for them as they had already waived their rights. In Candid Camera the release was done AFTER and people knew what they were agreeing to. Totally different conditions, one is ethical the other is not IMhO.
Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
of course people immediately realized it was fishy, but by then it was too late for them as they had already waived their rights.
Well, they could simply stop participating instead of continuing to air their prejudiced and general stupid behavior and taking it to the extreeme in some cases, hence why I feel no sympathies for them. So the "they did not know until afterwards..." line I see little reasoning in, because the behavior shown displays (most of them) them as not caring much about their appearance anyway..... until they suddenly stood to make money of suing because the film made it big. So to me it looks more like a way to profit, then actual offense taken.
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Alsvha wrote:
think it was 80 minutes
Well, thank goodness for that at least. ;)
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wright -
What I find offensive is the deliberate and intentional deceit they used to entrap those being filmed. It really shows no character or ethics on the actors or producers part. I will not support it.
Michael A. Barnhart wrote:
to entrap those being filmed.
if by "entrap" you mean "allow fools to think that their biggoted ways wouldn't be found out by the general populace" then yes, they "entrapped" them. But here's the catch: The "idiots" that were "entrapped" had a film production crew, complete with cameras in front of them. If they don't to appear to be biggotted idiots, then don't act like one in front of a film camera. BTW, I voted you a 1.
Mike Poz
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My girlfriend and I saw the movie 'Borat' last night. It was hilarious! If you aren't offended by completely vulgar/vile/disgusting/racist/sexist/un-PC remarks, but find them funny, then that movie is for you. If you are offended by them, sucks to be you! ;P
:josh: My WPF Blog[^]
I like movies like this as it challenges our conventions. In terms of what offends us and for what reasons. Usually it just exposes how seriously we take ourselves. And how much importance we place on social constraints. Picking your nose in public is a good example. Is this really offensive? Or is it just the idea of it that is. Everyone is most likely doing it when your not looking, so I'd still be cautious when shaking hands. Heh. For example, my wife is asian. Clearly I'm not racist, as I'm from European descent. Class A Mutt. But white. But anytime I say an asian joke, like "Confucious say: Man with itchy butt wake up with smelly finger" Its usually the Americans that take offense to it. Not my wife. She just laughs. So I think that a large part of the offended is false.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
yet more counter balance
Thanks. I just irks me when people want to whine just because someone doesn't agree with them. Talk about babies. His post wasn't annoying or tasteless, and yet they do that.
Jeremy Falcon "It's a good thing to do and a tasty way to do it." - Wilford Brimley[^]
I've gotta call you on this one. A vote of 1 is disagreeing.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I just irks me when people want to whine just because someone doesn't agree with them
Now your whining because the one votes which display disagreement... heh.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
His post wasn't annoying or tasteless, and yet they do that.
Is there a rule for voting? I thought it was a direct reflection of what you think of it. If you disagree with it, then a 1 vote seems valid. I 1 voted him, but not you, as I don't disagree enough with you to give you that vote. But his statement while being a valid opinion, was kinda pointed and implied that anyone who liked the movie lacked character, that includes me, so 1 vote.
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