Ready for firing of management of MS!
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Yea, but what ya gonna do?
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Bradml wrote:
Yea, but what ya gonna do?
Gripe, moan, complain and generally cause havoc on CP with my rants.. Then by the Empower package for the next two years ;)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin?
Waaay ahead of you there. Been using it outside work for years now (SuSE and now Ubuntu). It's horses for courses though, depends on what you want to do. For games, forget it unless you want to play TuxRacer until the persistent music makes your brain dribble out of your ears. OpenOffice is perfectly usable if it does the things you want to do with it well.
Steve_Harris wrote:
(SuSE and now Ubuntu).
I have had several different Linux distros over the last decade, but what is special about Ubuntu? I have heard lot love going to Ubuntu but do not know why people like it so much.
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How is choice a bad thing? If you only need the functionality of Office Basic, why would you want to pay for Office Ultimate?
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If they want to just give choice, then package them individually, what is the biggy? Packaged groups like this just cause confusion, two or three packages could be seen as choice, eight is silly. Just like with VS Team, they only option for small shops (as most developers have to wear multiple hats on projects) is the full VS Team at over $10K per seat, wish is yet another joke for small shops. I just get tired of their endless greed! Sure was nice back when MS had competition!
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Steve_Harris wrote:
(SuSE and now Ubuntu).
I have had several different Linux distros over the last decade, but what is special about Ubuntu? I have heard lot love going to Ubuntu but do not know why people like it so much.
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When I changed over to Ubuntu it supported much more hardware out of the box, like my scanner, and also set up 3D acceleration by itself. It's much more bleeding-edge WRT hardware support and window managers by virtue of the regular releases. I got fed up with SuSE having to fiddle with loads of stuff. Ubuntu pretty much "Just WorksTM", but like I said before, it depends what you want to do on it.
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Someone at Microsoft, run in and start slapping all management around. They need to be woke up! I am so tired of MS making multiple versions of everything. I thought all the versions of Windows was enough, then the broke up Visual Studio systems into multiple packages. Office has always been a couple packages, but now they have EIGHT versions of Office! * Office Basic * Office Standard * Office Home and Student * Office Small Business * Office Professional * Office Enterprise * Office Ultimate I have had enough.. Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin? I love Vista, but hey, I am sick of MS dumping huge number of versions of everything out on the market. Hmm.. Let us see now.. What about competitors.. * Open Office Does not seem like a lot of versions their there products on a single platform! Yeah, I know I am ranting, but this stuff is so stupid!
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Rocky Moore wrote:
but now they have EIGHT versions of Office!
What's stupid is they have completely ignored the research done in how people use tools like Office. The research that discovered that only 20% of the features are used, but that 20% is different for every user. You can't make different versions because you'll chop out a feature that someone in any one of those categories is going to want.
Rocky Moore wrote:
Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin?
At some point, yes, but I need a free machine, free time, motowation, etc. In other words, it's hard to get the boulder to budge. Marc
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Yea, but what ya gonna do?
Brad Australian "Keyboard? Ha! I throw magnets over the RAM chips!" - peterchen
Buy - er - *download* OpenOffice...
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Someone at Microsoft, run in and start slapping all management around. They need to be woke up! I am so tired of MS making multiple versions of everything. I thought all the versions of Windows was enough, then the broke up Visual Studio systems into multiple packages. Office has always been a couple packages, but now they have EIGHT versions of Office! * Office Basic * Office Standard * Office Home and Student * Office Small Business * Office Professional * Office Enterprise * Office Ultimate I have had enough.. Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin? I love Vista, but hey, I am sick of MS dumping huge number of versions of everything out on the market. Hmm.. Let us see now.. What about competitors.. * Open Office Does not seem like a lot of versions their there products on a single platform! Yeah, I know I am ranting, but this stuff is so stupid!
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I feel your pain. If it was up to me only three versions was needed -Office Academia (for students and teachers..Word, Excel and Outlook) -Office Standard (the standard office - should be enough most users) -Office Extended (the whole package for those who need Project, Visio etc.)
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If they want to just give choice, then package them individually, what is the biggy? Packaged groups like this just cause confusion, two or three packages could be seen as choice, eight is silly. Just like with VS Team, they only option for small shops (as most developers have to wear multiple hats on projects) is the full VS Team at over $10K per seat, wish is yet another joke for small shops. I just get tired of their endless greed! Sure was nice back when MS had competition!
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It could be worse.. it could be Office Ultimate only.. :)
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Yeah, my wife uses it all the time and I do every now and then (trying to convience myself I can survive with it), but like you say, it is not quite as fresh as MS Office, but there is a big difference in price ;)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
it is not quite as fresh as MS Office, but there is a big difference in price
Well, I'm saving my pennies for Office 2007 - I want something that I feel comfortable using.
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Hmm.. Let us see now.. What about competitors.. * Open Office
I've used Open Office and installed it on my laptop because I can't afford MS office. The only thing it has over MS Office, in my opinion, is the ability to spit out PDF files, and I'm sure there is a plug in you could get for MS office to do that anyway. Other than that Open office is clunky and reminds me of where MS Office was in 1992. (Yes, I know they do the wavey underline thing for spelling errors, but the over all impression I get is 14 years out of date)
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The only thing it has over MS Office, in my opinion, is the ability to spit out PDF files, and I'm sure there is a plug in you could get for MS office to do that
Office 2007 natively supports saving to PDF, and it seems to make a good job of it. It isn't installed by default (for legal reasons) but it prompts you to download and install it soon after starting. It is a free download from the Microsoft site.
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Someone at Microsoft, run in and start slapping all management around. They need to be woke up! I am so tired of MS making multiple versions of everything. I thought all the versions of Windows was enough, then the broke up Visual Studio systems into multiple packages. Office has always been a couple packages, but now they have EIGHT versions of Office! * Office Basic * Office Standard * Office Home and Student * Office Small Business * Office Professional * Office Enterprise * Office Ultimate I have had enough.. Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin? I love Vista, but hey, I am sick of MS dumping huge number of versions of everything out on the market. Hmm.. Let us see now.. What about competitors.. * Open Office Does not seem like a lot of versions their there products on a single platform! Yeah, I know I am ranting, but this stuff is so stupid!
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Rocky Moore wrote:
EIGHT versions of Office
Come on. Don't say you cannot deal with sooo much complexity... :doh: When there was only one version of Office, people were complaining about so-called "blxxting". Now there are several versions to choose from, people would complain about too many choices?
Rocky Moore wrote:
I am sick of MS dumping huge number of versions of everything out on the market
You can be sick... whatever you want... But if 8 is a HUUUGGGGEEEE number, I wonder how you'd call System.Byte.MaxValue.... (no even trying System.Int64.MaxValue...)
Rocky Moore wrote:
Let us see now.. What about competitors.. * Open Office
Oh really? You absolutely cannot think of any other open suite? Now I understand why 8 is such a huge number...
Rocky Moore wrote:
Yeah, I know I am ranting, but this stuff is so stupid!
You're sooo right.... This is stupid stuff... :mad: :mad: :mad: Grrrrr....
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Rocky Moore wrote:
but now they have EIGHT versions of Office!
What's stupid is they have completely ignored the research done in how people use tools like Office. The research that discovered that only 20% of the features are used, but that 20% is different for every user. You can't make different versions because you'll chop out a feature that someone in any one of those categories is going to want.
Rocky Moore wrote:
Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin?
At some point, yes, but I need a free machine, free time, motowation, etc. In other words, it's hard to get the boulder to budge. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
You can't make different versions because you'll chop out a feature that someone in any one of those categories is going to want.
As I understand it, the actual software applications themselves don't change between the versions -- it's only which applications are included with each package. Sure they may have given them new names so they fit in with the new Windows naming scheme*, but the contents of the packages are the same as they have always been. You could always get the content of Office Standard as a single package, and the same is true for Office Home and Student (formally students only, now extended to home users), Office Small Business (same as before) and Office Professional (no changes here either). Enterprise simply includes their newly purchased enterprise level tools, such as Groove, and Ultimate gives you the lot. * am I the only one who thinks that actually makes it easier to select a Windows version? You purchase according to your task, rather than picking from a list of applications and obscure features which most people haven't got a clue about when they'll use.
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If they want to just give choice, then package them individually, what is the biggy? Packaged groups like this just cause confusion, two or three packages could be seen as choice, eight is silly. Just like with VS Team, they only option for small shops (as most developers have to wear multiple hats on projects) is the full VS Team at over $10K per seat, wish is yet another joke for small shops. I just get tired of their endless greed! Sure was nice back when MS had competition!
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Rocky Moore wrote:
then package them individually
Aha! Just back to the 90's!!! X|
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Marc Clifton wrote:
You can't make different versions because you'll chop out a feature that someone in any one of those categories is going to want.
As I understand it, the actual software applications themselves don't change between the versions -- it's only which applications are included with each package. Sure they may have given them new names so they fit in with the new Windows naming scheme*, but the contents of the packages are the same as they have always been. You could always get the content of Office Standard as a single package, and the same is true for Office Home and Student (formally students only, now extended to home users), Office Small Business (same as before) and Office Professional (no changes here either). Enterprise simply includes their newly purchased enterprise level tools, such as Groove, and Ultimate gives you the lot. * am I the only one who thinks that actually makes it easier to select a Windows version? You purchase according to your task, rather than picking from a list of applications and obscure features which most people haven't got a clue about when they'll use.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
As I understand it, the actual software applications themselves don't change between the versions -- it's only which applications are included with each package.
Ah. Then we should count our blessings that their aren't 8! versions of Office then. Why not just sell the individual apps, well, individually? I guess that was too obvious for the mental marketting giants at Microsoft. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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David Wulff wrote:
As I understand it, the actual software applications themselves don't change between the versions -- it's only which applications are included with each package.
Ah. Then we should count our blessings that their aren't 8! versions of Office then. Why not just sell the individual apps, well, individually? I guess that was too obvious for the mental marketting giants at Microsoft. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithAsk your average company's procurement officer what office software to buy and you'll draw blank looks. If you're lucky you'll end up with Word and Outlook. If you give them a comparison of two or three packages that are marketed and sold for a task rather than as separate applications then you are going to get a better deal. At application vs package prices, the packages are a hell of a lot cheaper, especially when you are puchasing upgrades from the previous equivalent package, and you get the future package upgradability built in unlike with individual applications. If you buy Word you'll just get Word in ten years time, but if you buy Office Small Business you'll get the new accounting and collaboration tools they'll develop/buy over the next decade. It's all about the TCO baby! As I said, the new packages in Office aren't new at all (well two of them are, at the top and bottom level). They are simply renamed to bring them inline with their other products. I really don't see any problem there... :confused:
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Ask your average company's procurement officer what office software to buy and you'll draw blank looks. If you're lucky you'll end up with Word and Outlook. If you give them a comparison of two or three packages that are marketed and sold for a task rather than as separate applications then you are going to get a better deal. At application vs package prices, the packages are a hell of a lot cheaper, especially when you are puchasing upgrades from the previous equivalent package, and you get the future package upgradability built in unlike with individual applications. If you buy Word you'll just get Word in ten years time, but if you buy Office Small Business you'll get the new accounting and collaboration tools they'll develop/buy over the next decade. It's all about the TCO baby! As I said, the new packages in Office aren't new at all (well two of them are, at the top and bottom level). They are simply renamed to bring them inline with their other products. I really don't see any problem there... :confused:
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkGood points.
David Wulff wrote:
I really don't see any problem there...
True. And it certainly isn't my problem. :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Someone at Microsoft, run in and start slapping all management around. They need to be woke up! I am so tired of MS making multiple versions of everything. I thought all the versions of Windows was enough, then the broke up Visual Studio systems into multiple packages. Office has always been a couple packages, but now they have EIGHT versions of Office! * Office Basic * Office Standard * Office Home and Student * Office Small Business * Office Professional * Office Enterprise * Office Ultimate I have had enough.. Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin? I love Vista, but hey, I am sick of MS dumping huge number of versions of everything out on the market. Hmm.. Let us see now.. What about competitors.. * Open Office Does not seem like a lot of versions their there products on a single platform! Yeah, I know I am ranting, but this stuff is so stupid!
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Someone at Microsoft, run in and start slapping all management around. They need to be woke up! I am so tired of MS making multiple versions of everything. I thought all the versions of Windows was enough, then the broke up Visual Studio systems into multiple packages. Office has always been a couple packages, but now they have EIGHT versions of Office! * Office Basic * Office Standard * Office Home and Student * Office Small Business * Office Professional * Office Enterprise * Office Ultimate I have had enough.. Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin? I love Vista, but hey, I am sick of MS dumping huge number of versions of everything out on the market. Hmm.. Let us see now.. What about competitors.. * Open Office Does not seem like a lot of versions their there products on a single platform! Yeah, I know I am ranting, but this stuff is so stupid!
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Well, MS does need to do a better job explaining why they have 8 different packages. I spent about 30 min. on the office site trying to figure out which differences were which and what comes with what...quite a challenge. But, I don't recommend this unless you actually have 30 min to waste...oh, you can do that with your latest vs2005 project while you wait for it to load....
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"Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin" So you don't like choosing between 7 versions of office?, you will love navigating through the hundreds of different versions/distributions of linux.
Martin23 wrote:
you will love navigating through the hundreds of different versions/distributions of linux.
Amen. Check through the news archives at http://www.desktoplinux.com/[^]. The number of distros is getting bigger every few weeks. :wtf:
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"Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin" So you don't like choosing between 7 versions of office?, you will love navigating through the hundreds of different versions/distributions of linux.
Well at least all the distros are not put out by the same company :) The comment about Penguins is just a joke, I like Vista too much!
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