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If they want to just give choice, then package them individually, what is the biggy? Packaged groups like this just cause confusion, two or three packages could be seen as choice, eight is silly. Just like with VS Team, they only option for small shops (as most developers have to wear multiple hats on projects) is the full VS Team at over $10K per seat, wish is yet another joke for small shops. I just get tired of their endless greed! Sure was nice back when MS had competition!
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Rocky Moore wrote:
then package them individually
Aha! Just back to the 90's!!! X|
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Marc Clifton wrote:
You can't make different versions because you'll chop out a feature that someone in any one of those categories is going to want.
As I understand it, the actual software applications themselves don't change between the versions -- it's only which applications are included with each package. Sure they may have given them new names so they fit in with the new Windows naming scheme*, but the contents of the packages are the same as they have always been. You could always get the content of Office Standard as a single package, and the same is true for Office Home and Student (formally students only, now extended to home users), Office Small Business (same as before) and Office Professional (no changes here either). Enterprise simply includes their newly purchased enterprise level tools, such as Groove, and Ultimate gives you the lot. * am I the only one who thinks that actually makes it easier to select a Windows version? You purchase according to your task, rather than picking from a list of applications and obscure features which most people haven't got a clue about when they'll use.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
As I understand it, the actual software applications themselves don't change between the versions -- it's only which applications are included with each package.
Ah. Then we should count our blessings that their aren't 8! versions of Office then. Why not just sell the individual apps, well, individually? I guess that was too obvious for the mental marketting giants at Microsoft. Marc
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David Wulff wrote:
As I understand it, the actual software applications themselves don't change between the versions -- it's only which applications are included with each package.
Ah. Then we should count our blessings that their aren't 8! versions of Office then. Why not just sell the individual apps, well, individually? I guess that was too obvious for the mental marketting giants at Microsoft. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
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People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithAsk your average company's procurement officer what office software to buy and you'll draw blank looks. If you're lucky you'll end up with Word and Outlook. If you give them a comparison of two or three packages that are marketed and sold for a task rather than as separate applications then you are going to get a better deal. At application vs package prices, the packages are a hell of a lot cheaper, especially when you are puchasing upgrades from the previous equivalent package, and you get the future package upgradability built in unlike with individual applications. If you buy Word you'll just get Word in ten years time, but if you buy Office Small Business you'll get the new accounting and collaboration tools they'll develop/buy over the next decade. It's all about the TCO baby! As I said, the new packages in Office aren't new at all (well two of them are, at the top and bottom level). They are simply renamed to bring them inline with their other products. I really don't see any problem there... :confused:
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Ask your average company's procurement officer what office software to buy and you'll draw blank looks. If you're lucky you'll end up with Word and Outlook. If you give them a comparison of two or three packages that are marketed and sold for a task rather than as separate applications then you are going to get a better deal. At application vs package prices, the packages are a hell of a lot cheaper, especially when you are puchasing upgrades from the previous equivalent package, and you get the future package upgradability built in unlike with individual applications. If you buy Word you'll just get Word in ten years time, but if you buy Office Small Business you'll get the new accounting and collaboration tools they'll develop/buy over the next decade. It's all about the TCO baby! As I said, the new packages in Office aren't new at all (well two of them are, at the top and bottom level). They are simply renamed to bring them inline with their other products. I really don't see any problem there... :confused:
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkGood points.
David Wulff wrote:
I really don't see any problem there...
True. And it certainly isn't my problem. :) Marc
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Someone at Microsoft, run in and start slapping all management around. They need to be woke up! I am so tired of MS making multiple versions of everything. I thought all the versions of Windows was enough, then the broke up Visual Studio systems into multiple packages. Office has always been a couple packages, but now they have EIGHT versions of Office! * Office Basic * Office Standard * Office Home and Student * Office Small Business * Office Professional * Office Enterprise * Office Ultimate I have had enough.. Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin? I love Vista, but hey, I am sick of MS dumping huge number of versions of everything out on the market. Hmm.. Let us see now.. What about competitors.. * Open Office Does not seem like a lot of versions their there products on a single platform! Yeah, I know I am ranting, but this stuff is so stupid!
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Someone at Microsoft, run in and start slapping all management around. They need to be woke up! I am so tired of MS making multiple versions of everything. I thought all the versions of Windows was enough, then the broke up Visual Studio systems into multiple packages. Office has always been a couple packages, but now they have EIGHT versions of Office! * Office Basic * Office Standard * Office Home and Student * Office Small Business * Office Professional * Office Enterprise * Office Ultimate I have had enough.. Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin? I love Vista, but hey, I am sick of MS dumping huge number of versions of everything out on the market. Hmm.. Let us see now.. What about competitors.. * Open Office Does not seem like a lot of versions their there products on a single platform! Yeah, I know I am ranting, but this stuff is so stupid!
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Well, MS does need to do a better job explaining why they have 8 different packages. I spent about 30 min. on the office site trying to figure out which differences were which and what comes with what...quite a challenge. But, I don't recommend this unless you actually have 30 min to waste...oh, you can do that with your latest vs2005 project while you wait for it to load....
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"Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin" So you don't like choosing between 7 versions of office?, you will love navigating through the hundreds of different versions/distributions of linux.
Martin23 wrote:
you will love navigating through the hundreds of different versions/distributions of linux.
Amen. Check through the news archives at http://www.desktoplinux.com/[^]. The number of distros is getting bigger every few weeks. :wtf:
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"Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin" So you don't like choosing between 7 versions of office?, you will love navigating through the hundreds of different versions/distributions of linux.
Well at least all the distros are not put out by the same company :) The comment about Penguins is just a joke, I like Vista too much!
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When I changed over to Ubuntu it supported much more hardware out of the box, like my scanner, and also set up 3D acceleration by itself. It's much more bleeding-edge WRT hardware support and window managers by virtue of the regular releases. I got fed up with SuSE having to fiddle with loads of stuff. Ubuntu pretty much "Just WorksTM", but like I said before, it depends what you want to do on it.
Thanks!
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Each package of office has different things in it. and each one is targeted for different type of users. I think they are doing this in office so that they can get more people to use it and buy it. it is like a marketing issue. like saying to a student the "Office Home and Student" is done specificly for you to use. It will give you everything u need. this is all about marketing and getting more money
quiteSmart wrote:
Each package of office has different things in it. and each one is targeted for different type of users. I think they are doing this in office so that they can get more people to use it and buy it. it is like a marketing issue. like saying to a student the "Office Home and Student" is done specificly for you to use. It will give you everything u need. this is all about marketing and getting more money
Well, of course it is about getting more money and getting people to buy the product. Duh. They have shareholders to answer to, ya know! But really, it's also about the customer in this case. People complain that they don't want to pay for thus-and-such application in the suite - they never use it. By offering all these different versions which contain different Office applications, the hope is that customers can find the suite that is the best match for their needs, so they're not paying for apps they won't use. And, of course, all or almost all of the Office applications are available separately, but it's more expensive to buy them that way.
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Someone at Microsoft, run in and start slapping all management around. They need to be woke up! I am so tired of MS making multiple versions of everything. I thought all the versions of Windows was enough, then the broke up Visual Studio systems into multiple packages. Office has always been a couple packages, but now they have EIGHT versions of Office! * Office Basic * Office Standard * Office Home and Student * Office Small Business * Office Professional * Office Enterprise * Office Ultimate I have had enough.. Anyway else getting ready for the Penguin? I love Vista, but hey, I am sick of MS dumping huge number of versions of everything out on the market. Hmm.. Let us see now.. What about competitors.. * Open Office Does not seem like a lot of versions their there products on a single platform! Yeah, I know I am ranting, but this stuff is so stupid!
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Rocky - I'm with you! I've spent the last 3 years of my life doing serious Microsoft development. Now, I come from a Unix (name a variant) and embedded environment, so I was a bit skeptical about MS. Frankly, I'm stunned with the elegance and ease with which you can develop on Windows. I'm also stunned at how many times MS can muck up an OS and blame it one someone else. Nevertheless, I think the marketing people have way too much pull in naming crap from MS, and your point is surely directed at MS. From a developer's view there is activeX, COM, COM+, DCOM, and on it goes. EVERY DANG thing from MS comes with some new frigging metaphor! Give it a break MS! Sorry, little frustrated at the moment... he says as he reaches for his rocket launcher..... ;)
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