Vista premium content protection - yikes!
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cspikes wrote:
Yet the original poster and the writer of the article would have you believe its the Microsoft Devil at work.
You must be new around here ;) - you could not be more wrong, I've always been pretty clear about my thoughts on Vista and they are not anti-Microsoft in any way. Sure microsoft has done some great things, Vista is not one of them.
John Cardinal wrote:
You must be new around here
Your right and I love this site.
John Cardinal wrote:
Sure microsoft has done some great things
The most empowering company in the last half century easy.
John Cardinal wrote:
I've always been pretty clear about my thoughts on Vista and they are not anti-Microsoft in any way
I'm sure your right. My comments were probably ill placed. I just never see anybody speaking positive about the things they are doing.
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John Cardinal wrote:
You must be new around here
Your right and I love this site.
John Cardinal wrote:
Sure microsoft has done some great things
The most empowering company in the last half century easy.
John Cardinal wrote:
I've always been pretty clear about my thoughts on Vista and they are not anti-Microsoft in any way
I'm sure your right. My comments were probably ill placed. I just never see anybody speaking positive about the things they are doing.
From my point of view .net has been the best thing they've done in a while, but aside from that they've lost their way to a great extent. If you read some of the blogs from Microsoft insiders about the Vista development process it's not pretty from strictly a software engineers point of view. They might benefit tremendously from splitting up their os and infrastructure divisions from their consumer application divisions, but that's just idle speculation. They just don't feel to me anymore like the cutting edge "developers" company they use to be, more like a risk averse overly large organisation unwilling to truly innovate or change.
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This is a long but good read on the implications: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt[^] No I don't have a beef against Vista, as I said before I write software for whatever my users are using it's all the same to me, however I keep running across so many negative items about Vista every day on the net, items that are definitely more than FUD.
biggest load of BS i've ever read. I think it's high time microshaft was dead and buried. Don't get me wrong, they have some decent products, and just because i can't think of any in order to liste them, it doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Igor Vigdorchik wrote:
high-definition optical discs would be entirely off-limits on Windows computers
So?
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Linkify!|Fold With Us!peterchen wrote:
Igor Vigdorchik wrote: high-definition optical discs would be entirely off-limits on Windows computers So?
exactly, who cares? if you are going to have an entertainment system with a PC as it's core then you use MCE. Anyone who doesn't is a cheap skate and deserves to have things like this happen to them. This does NOT mean i am advocating what microshaft is doing, or any of the other companies involved either in the genesis of the problem, or the proponents of it. Some people really can't afford the bells and whistles and they will suffer immensely.
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As mentioned, it's not just Vista but TVs and Home Cinema components as well. Vista should be the least of your worries - the upgrade costs for Windows don't start at $5,000 after rebates... You'd be far better off simply not buying any protected content.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkI personally will not be upgrading to Vista EVER! unless i am forced to in a couple of years.
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From my point of view .net has been the best thing they've done in a while, but aside from that they've lost their way to a great extent. If you read some of the blogs from Microsoft insiders about the Vista development process it's not pretty from strictly a software engineers point of view. They might benefit tremendously from splitting up their os and infrastructure divisions from their consumer application divisions, but that's just idle speculation. They just don't feel to me anymore like the cutting edge "developers" company they use to be, more like a risk averse overly large organisation unwilling to truly innovate or change.
John Cardinal wrote:
From my point of view .net has been the best thing they've done in a while, but aside from that they've lost their way to a great extent. If you read some of the blogs from Microsoft insiders about the Vista development process it's not pretty from strictly a software engineers point of view. They might benefit tremendously from splitting up their os and infrastructure divisions from their consumer application divisions, but that's just idle speculation. They just don't feel to me anymore like the cutting edge "developers" company they use to be, more like a risk averse overly large organisation unwilling to truly innovate or change.
What John said. I thought of some microshaft products that i consider decent. The .NET achitecture 2.0 is definitely the latest but not the greatest. DirectX is another good one, i'm still hanging out for version 10. Visual Studio is an excellent one, I am not a big fan of Visual Studio .NET because i still can't get my head around some of the intracacies of VB.NET. i develop in VB6 and C++. Sure Windows has been great for the productivity of the average user, but it leaves much to be desired for the savvy users.
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This is a long but good read on the implications: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt[^] No I don't have a beef against Vista, as I said before I write software for whatever my users are using it's all the same to me, however I keep running across so many negative items about Vista every day on the net, items that are definitely more than FUD.
This is such a joke. I'm not even close to a hacker and it took me all of 3 minutes to come up with a way to bypass this nonsense. 1) Buy a "compliant" LCD display 2) open it up 3) disconnect the feed to the LCD 4) connect the feed to another video processor (like an LCD diagnostic device) 5) route the output of that processor into a capture device Voila, you've just bypassed everything. Seriously, this almost ranks up there with Sony's "Magic Marker" copy protection scheme. -- Dj
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Igor Vigdorchik wrote:
high-definition optical discs would be entirely off-limits on Windows computers
So?
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Linkify!|Fold With Us!peterchen wrote:
Igor Vigdorchik wrote: high-definition optical discs would be entirely off-limits on Windows computers So?
I concur. What would be so bad about that? I don't need it, and I'm not willing to suffer to get it. Let bad formats die the death they deserve. I'll keep watching DVDs until something reasonable comes along.
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With all these draconian measures to prevent piracy, how long will it be before weaknesses in the system allow it to be bypassed? The means to access the content exists within the PC after all. It only requires a few crackers to make the contents available. After this has occurred, don't all these measures collectively turn into a very expensive and inconvenient white elephant, that everyone is saddled with for a considerable length of time?
The way it's gone has made people determined to break it.
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This is such a joke. I'm not even close to a hacker and it took me all of 3 minutes to come up with a way to bypass this nonsense. 1) Buy a "compliant" LCD display 2) open it up 3) disconnect the feed to the LCD 4) connect the feed to another video processor (like an LCD diagnostic device) 5) route the output of that processor into a capture device Voila, you've just bypassed everything. Seriously, this almost ranks up there with Sony's "Magic Marker" copy protection scheme. -- Dj
I think you miss the general point... the issue is not the tech savvy individual getting around the content protection, it's the general user. This is why Napster resulted in the bleeding for the music industry - the file sharing technology just made it too easy. So, now, we have the RIAA and everyone else way, way overreacting to the issue. Rather than asking themselves how to make the system reasonably secure and yet user friendly, we have all this nonsense going on. And MS, the hardware makers, the content providers (gag, I hate that phrase) are now burying their disclaimers in all the mumbo jumbo of the licensing agreements that no one ever reads. It's going to backfire in a major way and result in yet more bad legislation - DMCA. A good example is Sony adding the root kit to their music CDs (someone had to be out of their frigging mind). One thing we have a lot of in the US are lawyers, and this is going to turn into a free for all....
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Microsoft has no choice in this matter. If Microsoft wouldn't support HDCP, high-definition optical discs would be entirely off-limits on Windows computers. On January 19, 2005, the European Industry Association for Information Systems (EICTA) announced that HDCP is a required component of the European "HD ready" label.[^] If you think Apple is going to turn down HDCP despite being DRM advocates themselves, with the result being that it will be impossible to view new content in full HD on Apple hardware, then you're kidding yourself.[^] A RealNetworks executive has claimed that Linux risks being excluded from the consumer market if it does not add support for copyright protection technologies.[^]
On the other hand, if Microsoft refused to support it, I'm sure that the CP supporters would bend.
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