MSDN subscription would you renew now?
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If you have an MSDN subscription expiring soon would you renew? I'm in that situation with a vs 2005 pro and premium msdn subscription. I can't forsee anything compelling that would make me want to upgrade rather than let it lapse and maybe start with it again in a couple of years when there is a reason to. I only do .net development these days and pretty much every tool from MS has stabilized (stagnated) with nothing forseeable coming down the pipes. Or am I missing something?
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If you have an MSDN subscription expiring soon would you renew? I'm in that situation with a vs 2005 pro and premium msdn subscription. I can't forsee anything compelling that would make me want to upgrade rather than let it lapse and maybe start with it again in a couple of years when there is a reason to. I only do .net development these days and pretty much every tool from MS has stabilized (stagnated) with nothing forseeable coming down the pipes. Or am I missing something?
John Cardinal wrote:
If you have an MSDN subscription expiring soon would you renew? I'm in that situation with a vs 2005 pro and premium msdn subscription. I can't forsee anything compelling that would make me want to upgrade rather than let it lapse and maybe start with it again in a couple of years when there is a reason to. I only do .net development these days and pretty much every tool from MS has stabilized (stagnated) with nothing forseeable coming down the pipes.
No. My subscription expires at the end of the month and I see no reason to upgrade my subscription. The next version of VS doesn't even appear to be on the release radar so I'd just be wasting £630 to renew. I had a look today at what my subscription is currently allowing me to download and beyond Visual Studio there isn't a decent tool amongst them. (No MS Expression yet and doesn't look like it is going to come with my MSDN Pro subscription.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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John Cardinal wrote:
If you have an MSDN subscription expiring soon would you renew? I'm in that situation with a vs 2005 pro and premium msdn subscription. I can't forsee anything compelling that would make me want to upgrade rather than let it lapse and maybe start with it again in a couple of years when there is a reason to. I only do .net development these days and pretty much every tool from MS has stabilized (stagnated) with nothing forseeable coming down the pipes.
No. My subscription expires at the end of the month and I see no reason to upgrade my subscription. The next version of VS doesn't even appear to be on the release radar so I'd just be wasting £630 to renew. I had a look today at what my subscription is currently allowing me to download and beyond Visual Studio there isn't a decent tool amongst them. (No MS Expression yet and doesn't look like it is going to come with my MSDN Pro subscription.
Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
That's what I'm thinking although it's a lot more money than 630 pounds so even more compelling. They sent me a last chance type notice that spoke a lot about team system and the addition of the built in sql server explorer (something I used to have with my vs2k3 subscription all along). Nothing compelling, no new tools, I used a lot of 3rd party components and tools as it is. I could be saving thousands of dollars here, were a small company and that's very significant to us. Unless someone jumps into this thread with anything I've overlooked I think I'm going to let it lapse for the first time in over 8 years.
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That's what I'm thinking although it's a lot more money than 630 pounds so even more compelling. They sent me a last chance type notice that spoke a lot about team system and the addition of the built in sql server explorer (something I used to have with my vs2k3 subscription all along). Nothing compelling, no new tools, I used a lot of 3rd party components and tools as it is. I could be saving thousands of dollars here, were a small company and that's very significant to us. Unless someone jumps into this thread with anything I've overlooked I think I'm going to let it lapse for the first time in over 8 years.
John Cardinal wrote:
spoke a lot about team system
Yeah, they can keep talking for all I care. I would love to use it but the cost is INSANE! as far as I am concerned. Been giving me lots of thoughts about building my own. If they can charge that much I bet I could put a few heads together and come up with something just as good and charge a third of that and still make money.
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If you have an MSDN subscription expiring soon would you renew? I'm in that situation with a vs 2005 pro and premium msdn subscription. I can't forsee anything compelling that would make me want to upgrade rather than let it lapse and maybe start with it again in a couple of years when there is a reason to. I only do .net development these days and pretty much every tool from MS has stabilized (stagnated) with nothing forseeable coming down the pipes. Or am I missing something?
Nope. My MSDN subscription ended in december 2005 - just in time to receive VS2005 :-) - what a perfect timing. I might subscribe again in a year or so when (or if) Vista becomes common thing on desktops and Orcas is in beta 2 :-)
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If you have an MSDN subscription expiring soon would you renew? I'm in that situation with a vs 2005 pro and premium msdn subscription. I can't forsee anything compelling that would make me want to upgrade rather than let it lapse and maybe start with it again in a couple of years when there is a reason to. I only do .net development these days and pretty much every tool from MS has stabilized (stagnated) with nothing forseeable coming down the pipes. Or am I missing something?
Doesn't it cost more when you go to purchase MSDN in the future if you let it expire? I thought there were suppose to release Vista server this year. Also VS 2007 in the 4th quarter?
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!
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Doesn't it cost more when you go to purchase MSDN in the future if you let it expire? I thought there were suppose to release Vista server this year. Also VS 2007 in the 4th quarter?
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!
I had MSDN universal in 2004 and believe or not I got cheaper price buying a new universal subscription 2005 again than upgrade. I’ll keep doing it because company pay for that, else no way I could spend all that money in a subscription from my pocket.
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Doesn't it cost more when you go to purchase MSDN in the future if you let it expire? I thought there were suppose to release Vista server this year. Also VS 2007 in the 4th quarter?
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!
Yes it costs double, however we're looking at over 3 thousand to renew ours and a new one is over 6 thousand (way too much in my opinion). If we wait more than two years it's cheaper this way and to be honest the value of the msdn subscription has gone way down lately. We don't use office or develop for it or any of the other products that you get to use with an MSDN universal with the single exception of operating systems, but we can easily save a *lot* of money by simply buying the operating systems seperatly. I think MS has gotten far too greedy with their pricing, they keep pushing team system which is all but useless to a small company like ours and we already have sperate profilers etc from other vendors, but surprisingly the price of the non team system msdn and visual studio is still extremely expensive. I think down the road if we renew it will be a straightforward Visual studio pro only without msdn, it's just far too costly when you only use a fraction of it that can easily be purchased separately. There's nothing really important coming down the pipe for the foreseeable future that can justify it.
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Yes it costs double, however we're looking at over 3 thousand to renew ours and a new one is over 6 thousand (way too much in my opinion). If we wait more than two years it's cheaper this way and to be honest the value of the msdn subscription has gone way down lately. We don't use office or develop for it or any of the other products that you get to use with an MSDN universal with the single exception of operating systems, but we can easily save a *lot* of money by simply buying the operating systems seperatly. I think MS has gotten far too greedy with their pricing, they keep pushing team system which is all but useless to a small company like ours and we already have sperate profilers etc from other vendors, but surprisingly the price of the non team system msdn and visual studio is still extremely expensive. I think down the road if we renew it will be a straightforward Visual studio pro only without msdn, it's just far too costly when you only use a fraction of it that can easily be purchased separately. There's nothing really important coming down the pipe for the foreseeable future that can justify it.
John Cardinal wrote:
I think MS has gotten far too greedy with their pricing
I agree with that! The pricing of their systems is just insane! Their focus though is on the corporate world that does not care about spending..
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!
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John Cardinal wrote:
I think MS has gotten far too greedy with their pricing
I agree with that! The pricing of their systems is just insane! Their focus though is on the corporate world that does not care about spending..
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!
I don't think there is anyone that entirely doesn't care about spending, no one wants to pay more than they have to. But for a small corporation like ourselves it's just too much money for too little value. I think Visual Studio is worth it's price at 15% of the whole subscription cost but the MSDN stuff is hardly worth the other 85%. As a small developer I'd rather pick and choose what we buy, I like the os's for testing purposes, the msdn help is utterly useless and all those however many other apps that come with the subscription I have no use for. I'd prefer a menu system where you pay for what you need only. Of course everyone says that about everything but it rarely seems to be implemented.