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  • R Rocky Moore

    Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

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    Rocky Moore wrote:

    I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain... I had hoped to never see them again.

    Agreed.

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    • R Rocky Moore

      Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

      Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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      Nish Nishant
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      Rocky Moore wrote:

      but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed

      Well theoretically, you shouldn't be looking at the private members (either fields or functions), unless you are maintaining someone else's code.

      Regards, Nish


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      Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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      • R Rocky Moore

        Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

        Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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        Aaron VanWieren
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        Can't stand _them. Sorry to butt in on this, but this is one thing I truly hate. Isn't this part of or all of the Hungarian notation? Which has historical roots in early programming?

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          Rocky Moore wrote:

          Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members?

          NO! Marc

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          NO!

          I think you mean _NO! :-D

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            Rocky Moore wrote:

            but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed

            Well theoretically, you shouldn't be looking at the private members (either fields or functions), unless you are maintaining someone else's code.

            Regards, Nish


            Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
            Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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            Roger Wright
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            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

            you shouldn't be looking at the private members

            It's considered quite rude in my neighborhood.

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            • R Roger Wright

              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

              you shouldn't be looking at the private members

              It's considered quite rude in my neighborhood.

              "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9

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              :laugh:

              Regards, Nish


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              Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)

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              • R Rocky Moore

                Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                Christian Graus
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                I don't like m_, and I need to use _ in order to write code that is CLS compliant ( because VB sucks ). Having a private variable that has a totally different name to the public property is just untenable.

                Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

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                • A Aaron VanWieren

                  Can't stand _them. Sorry to butt in on this, but this is one thing I truly hate. Isn't this part of or all of the Hungarian notation? Which has historical roots in early programming?

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                  Christian Graus
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                  avanwieren wrote:

                  Isn't this part of or all of the Hungarian notation?

                  No.  m_ is part of hungarian notation, but the main thing is to prefix the type as in m_hwndTheWindowHandle, m_nWindowCount.

                  Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

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                  • C Christian Graus

                    avanwieren wrote:

                    Isn't this part of or all of the Hungarian notation?

                    No.  m_ is part of hungarian notation, but the main thing is to prefix the type as in m_hwndTheWindowHandle, m_nWindowCount.

                    Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

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                    Christian Graus wrote:

                    No

                    Did you mean strNo? :~

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                    • R Rocky Moore

                      Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                      Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                      Anders Molin
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                      _SomeVariable sucks, but I always use m_SomeVariable, both in C++ (which I fortunately still use) and in C#.

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                      • R Rocky Moore

                        Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                        Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                        Nemanja Trifunovic
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                        Rocky Moore wrote:

                        I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain!

                        I hate way too many things, but no code conventions are among them :) . Just use whatever the rest of the gang uses.


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                        • J JimmyRopes

                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          No

                          Did you mean strNo? :~

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                          Christian Graus
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                          Didn't Josh do that joke above ?

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                          • R Rocky Moore

                            Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                            Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                            I agree, using _ is just ugly and hard to type. Unfortunatly I'm stuck at a client right now who insists on using it. Reason? Because we've always done it that way :rolleyes:


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                            • R Roger Wright

                              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                              you shouldn't be looking at the private members

                              It's considered quite rude in my neighborhood.

                              "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9

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                              El Corazon
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                              Roger Wright wrote:

                              It's considered quite rude in my neighborhood.

                              It is the same here.... perhaps this is a southwest thing?

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                              • R Rocky Moore

                                Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                                Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                                pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking. [^]

                                Cheers, Vikram.


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                                • C Christian Graus

                                  I don't like m_, and I need to use _ in order to write code that is CLS compliant ( because VB sucks ). Having a private variable that has a totally different name to the public property is just untenable.

                                  Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

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                                  Rocky Moore
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                                  As long as you keep it in VB everyone should be happy :)

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                                  • C Christian Graus

                                    Didn't Josh do that joke above ?

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                                    • R Rocky Moore

                                      Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                                      Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                                      Taka Muraoka
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                                      Rocky Moore wrote:

                                      Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members?

                                      IIRC, symbols with a leading _ are reserved for the system. This is for C but probably carried over to C++, although it probably doesn't apply for class members. It'd be dumb to use them, though, quite apart from the fact it looks butt-ugly. I always used to use "m_" for member variables and hated it, until I had an epiphany and saw someone using just "m" (e.g. mMemberVariable). So much nicer :cool:


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                                      • R Rocky Moore

                                        Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                                        Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                                        I tend to adapt to the convention of the framework I'm writing it in. For MFC/ATL it was m_. I've been using the VCF recently and most member vars are post fixed with "_", like window_. Took some getting used, to but it actually adds a bit of whitespace, so it almost makes things more readable. If you want to be able to read code like it was a novel, become a member of the Osmosian Order. :laugh::laugh::laugh: (Sorry, couldn't resist) Anyway, the older I get the more whitespace I need to make the code more readable, so I tend to like the underscores. JMHO.


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                                        • R Rocky Moore

                                          Well, since John Simmons got his new TV, he probably will be missing for about two days, but for the rest of you: It has been around two years I think since I have asked this question and I am curious as to if people have changed their minds. Do you use/like the "_" to prefix private members? I personal hate variables prefixed with with _underscores _as _it _can _make _reading _code() _a _pain! In the old days of Assembler and some C code, we lived with it all the time, but I had hoped to never see them again. Now much of the code released by MS has private members prefixed. So, what you think?

                                          Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: SQL Server Express Warnings & Tips Latest Tech Blog Post: Microsoft doing it again!

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                                          Some kind of a prefix is good since it will group the members with the same access level together in the tool tip, provided by the IDE.

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