U.S. official: Chinese test missile obliterates satellite [modified]

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=================================================================== Clinton's 1992 and 1996 campaigns were the beneficiaries of "contributions" from individuals and organizations associated with the People's Republic of China, or PRC, military/intelligence. These included "a massive cascade of illegally laundered foreign funds" injected into key states in the general election of 1992; "leaders of a Thai conglomerate that is in business with ... China's biggest arms smugglers had a White House meeting with Clinton at which they were illegally solicited for campaign donations"; "a People's Liberation Army [or PLA] partner sat next to Clinton at a Democratic National Committee fund-raiser and contributed thousands of dollars in illegal campaign funds to the Democrats"; and "the officers of an American defense contractor in business with China's missile builders became the No. 1 contributors" to the president's reelection campaign in 1995-1996." ==================================================================== http://www.salon.com/news/1998/05/29newsa.html[^] ==================================================================== Let us not forget China's Great Leap Forward in missile guidance technology courtesy of Bill Clinton's major donors, Bernard L. Schwartz of Loral and C. Michael Armstrong of Hughes. China was rewarded for its underwriting Bill Clinton's campaigns, and to insure the U.S. would not be the sole superpower. China's military technology had the Clinton & Clinton booster rocket. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1770582/posts[^] =====================================================================

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Christian Graus

OK, that sounds like it comes from a credible source...

Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

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Christian Graus wrote:

OK, that sounds like it comes from a credible source...

Do you need more? I can give you plenty of links and quotes if you like.

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Christian Graus

I can give you links to prove that man has not been to the moon. But, what I was laughing at, was the idea that China couldn't possibly have had missiles without buying them from the US.

Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

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Christian Graus wrote:

I can give you links to prove that man has not been to the moon.

Thats easy, wikipedia would prove that he hasn't been to the moon, or another biography of him.

Christian Graus wrote:

But, what I was laughing at, was the idea that China couldn't possibly have had missiles without buying them from the US.

Well they have been behind with the times but they are catching up. They still employ children in factories and pay them next to nothing.

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Christian Graus

Captain See Sharp wrote:

hey still employ children in factories and pay them next to nothing.

Lucky for you. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to afford clothing.

Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

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Christian Graus wrote:

Lucky for you. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to afford clothing.

Thats not true because the money saved by employing children who work for practically nothing, hell they are slaves, they don't have many options in China. They are told were to work and live. Anyways the money saved is just profit for the companies. It does not cost 20-40 bucks to produce and transport a pair of standard blue jeans. The quality of Chinese produced good is less than desirable also.

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Christian Graus

No, what needs to be paid for is endorsements and marketing. You think that the companies would happily cut their bottom line ? If so, why don't they just make them in the US ?

Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

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Christian Graus wrote:

why don't they just make them in the US ?

They cant pay workers pennies a day because that would cut profits. They are taking advantage of the workers in China to make more money.

Christian Graus wrote:

No, what needs to be paid for is endorsements and marketing.

Clothing is way too expensive, you don't need to advertise clothing all that much because everyone needs and buys clothes. I'm tired of paying big bucks for a jacket that will fall apart after a few months(it always happens to me). I just bought a pair of boots for over $80 USD a couple months ago and the laces are falling apart. They are suppose to be high quality rugged work boots. I bought them so I wouldn't have to worry about them falling apart on me and I don't want to buy another pair of shoes for at least another couple years. Quality is sacrificed for optimal profits.

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Captain See Sharp wrote:

They are taking advantage of the workers in China to make more money.

Who is?

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Christian Graus

Captain See Sharp wrote:

They are taking advantage of the workers in China to make more money.

No, you are. You take advantage of them when you buy the clothes.

Captain See Sharp wrote:

Quality is sacrificed for optimal profits.

Of course, and you keep buying the goods. That's not really the point, tho. The Chinese economy is a success for two reasons 1 - the people being paid pennies probably have a higher standard of living than those who are not 2 - people keep buying the goods You can blame the clothing companies all you want. If you buy brand name clothes, you're paying for the marketing campaign. If you buy cheap clothes, they are cheap because of where they are made.

Christian Graus - C++ MVP 'Why don't we jump on a fad that hasn't already been widely discredited ?' - Dilbert

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Christian Graus wrote:

You can blame the clothing companies all you want. If you buy brand name clothes, you're paying for the marketing campaign. If you buy cheap clothes, they are cheap because of where they are made.

What do you think about Bloodstone's anouncement last week that the boots will no longer be made in Tassie?

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Josh Gray wrote:

Who is?

The businesses that outsource to China.

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Lost User

Captain See Sharp wrote:

The businesses that outsource to China.

The majority of which come from what country?

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Christian Graus wrote:

No, you are. You take advantage of them when you buy the clothes.

Not really, I would rather buy American made products because I have more confidence in the product. I never really pay attention to where things are made when I buy them anyways.

Christian Graus wrote:

Of course, and you keep buying the goods.

Yep.

Christian Graus wrote:

You can blame the clothing companies all you want. If you buy brand name clothes, you're paying for the marketing campaign. If you buy cheap clothes, they are cheap because of where they are made.

Cant disagree.

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Josh Gray wrote:

The majority of which come from what country?

I don't really know but it does not matter, its out of my control regardless.

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Captain See Sharp wrote:

but it does not matter,

It does matter. You are being critical of China, a country and a people you know next to nothing about when really the people that are causing the problem you are complaining about are products of our western culture.

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Josh Gray wrote:

It does matter. You are being critical of China, a country and a people you know next to nothing about when really the people that are causing the problem you are complaining about are products of our western culture.

Of course I am critical of China, they are a communist country. I'm not blaming them for outsourcing, they aren't forcing businesses to outsource.

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Nic Rowan

Captain See Sharp wrote:

If I remember right Bill Clinton sold China that technology.

Maybe his wife can ask for it back...

Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis. I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it.

Christian Graus

Blundstones ? It made front page of the paper, or I wouldn't know. I buy Oliver boots - they're made near Bendigo, I am told. They rock. But, as for the rest, it's a shame to see some people go from minimum wage to the dole, but, I don't blame the company for wanting to stay in the market. I'm surprised they held out as long as they did.

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