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You don't have to watch the movie. You can even change the channel during the commercials. Free speech needs to be protected even when you don't agree.
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leckey wrote:
Free speech needs to be protected even when you don't agree.
Freedom of expression. However child porn is illegal and for good reasons. Do you defend child porn, even if it is computer generated and no real children were filmed?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Except that I believe that it represents a lot more than filth. It represents the norms of tomorrow.
Scary, but quite possible.
Stan Shannon wrote:
nd it represents why current definitions of 'freedom' are so flawed.
Possibly true too, but your way, according to those of us who also don't agree with your so-called "leftists", is also extreme. If I was made emperor of the world, I'd be what's best for it. :)
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Possibly true too, but your way, according to those of us who also don't agree with your so-called "leftists", is also extreme. If I was made emperor of the world, I'd be what's best for it.
Not unless you consider how this country governed itself for the first 200 years or so to have been 'extreme'. If local communities still maintained their original power to define moral standards at the local level without the courts attacking them on bogus freedom of speech or separation of church and state charges, these sorts of excercises in pushing the moral envelope would never escape the depraved minds of their creators.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
No, this is how people like you try to frame it.
No, the media has a HUGE influence on people's lives, they can change the way you think very easily.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
People having sex with people will never be the same as people having sex with animals.
That is not politically correct and is very intolerant. How dare you. :laugh: The zooers would argue that we are all animals and it does not matter. However I agree with you, but never say never because things are changing. Lets hope it starts moving in a different direction.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
the media has a HUGE influence on people's lives, they can change the way you think very easily.
Then you'd better change the channel, quick!
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance idiots like CSS.
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You don't have to watch the movie. You can even change the channel during the commercials. Free speech needs to be protected even when you don't agree.
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Sorry I couldnt vote your post a 1. I like to think for myself and not let society / government tell what type of FICTION I use to entertain myself. If I were using REALITY, then society / government can do what ever they deem necessary to punish me. Seeing how this movie is FICTION and Im capable of determining wrong from right, Im going to have to agree with you. You get a 5.
I win because I have the most fun in life...
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Stan Shannon wrote:
right up there with this [^] and this [^]
If you cant make a good movie make an offensive movie, nothing new in that, just people looking to make a buck out of something shit
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leckey wrote:
Free speech needs to be protected even when you don't agree.
Freedom of expression. However child porn is illegal and for good reasons. Do you defend child porn, even if it is computer generated and no real children were filmed?
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I've never thought about computer generated. My philosophy has always been as long as no one is physically hurt or being forced to do something against their will, let them do what they want. Real beastiality would hurt the animal so I'm against it. if they want to talk about it in a movie, I have no problem. With virtual child po*n one could argue that no child is getting hurt. But the idea of someone looking at it themselves needs help. The process of viewing could definately lead to actual child po*n or worse. So I would probably say it shouldn't be allowed as a preventative action, but then you get into a legal battle of trying to predict and punish future behavior that hasn't occured.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
No, this is how people like you try to frame it.
No, the media has a HUGE influence on people's lives, they can change the way you think very easily.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
People having sex with people will never be the same as people having sex with animals.
That is not politically correct and is very intolerant. How dare you. :laugh: The zooers would argue that we are all animals and it does not matter. However I agree with you, but never say never because things are changing. Lets hope it starts moving in a different direction.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
the media has a HUGE influence on people's lives
So does family, friends, co-workers...It is unfortunate that there are some people who can't think for themselves, but I am really tired of the media getting all the blame.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
The zooers would argue
I'm not sure who the 'zooers' are or if you are just referring to animal lovers. Are you their spokesperson? If not, stop making arguments for other people that you do not know.
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Honey, I love you, but could you give me a minute with her.[^] Makes her feel like the queen of the world every day, while banging someone else. Yeah, it could work. :-D
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"Look, I need to have sex with somebody" :laugh: Nothing like making the other person feel like you're really committed to them and will do anything in the world for them. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I reckon a step closer to making his wife feel like a Queen would be to say "Had I been single I would have liked to have had sex with that person but I'm not going to because I'm yours". Kinda easier and less painful than talking to Bruce and Demi for hours.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
People having sex with people will never be the same as people having sex with animals.
Barring the reasons, what would you say if and when it does happen? Will you believe that the cause was due to this acceptance in the here and now or just how nature intended it to be?
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive." - Sir Walter Scott Web - Blog - RSS - Math - LinkedIn - BM
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Barring the reasons, what would you say if and when it does happen? Will you believe that the cause was due to this acceptance in the here and now or just how nature intended it to be?
It's very simple: it will never be accepted. Just because people have spent thousands of years persecuting, demonizing, or rejecting sex between people of the same gender doesn't mean that in a thousand years we will be accepting sex between humans and animals. It's just another slippery slope fallacy. Alvaro
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
No, this is how people like you try to frame it.
No, the media has a HUGE influence on people's lives, they can change the way you think very easily.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
People having sex with people will never be the same as people having sex with animals.
That is not politically correct and is very intolerant. How dare you. :laugh: The zooers would argue that we are all animals and it does not matter. However I agree with you, but never say never because things are changing. Lets hope it starts moving in a different direction.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
never say never because things are changing.
Yeah, before you know it we'll start seeing people having sex with holes in the wall, or people having sex with the tail pipes of trucks, or people digging holes in the ground so they can f*ck the Earth. Yep, this whole gay sex can-o-worms is going to make everyone go insane with their sex drives... which reminds me, where's my dog? :rolleyes: Alvaro
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
the media has a HUGE influence on people's lives
So does family, friends, co-workers...It is unfortunate that there are some people who can't think for themselves, but I am really tired of the media getting all the blame.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
The zooers would argue
I'm not sure who the 'zooers' are or if you are just referring to animal lovers. Are you their spokesperson? If not, stop making arguments for other people that you do not know.
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leckey wrote:
'm not sure who the 'zooers' are or if you are just referring to animal lovers. Are you their spokesperson? If not, stop making arguments for other people that you do not know.
The zooers are the animal fuckers. No I am not their spokesperson and I will say whatever the fuck I want.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
never say never because things are changing.
Yeah, before you know it we'll start seeing people having sex with holes in the wall, or people having sex with the tail pipes of trucks, or people digging holes in the ground so they can f*ck the Earth. Yep, this whole gay sex can-o-worms is going to make everyone go insane with their sex drives... which reminds me, where's my dog? :rolleyes: Alvaro
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Exercise.
Die anyway.Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Yeah, before you know it we'll start seeing people having sex with holes in the wall, or people having sex with the tail pipes of trucks, or people digging holes in the ground so they can f*ck the Earth. Yep, this whole gay sex can-o-worms is going to make everyone go insane with their sex drives... which reminds me, where's my dog?
Only time will tell, there are plenty of people out there who have sex with animals. It may be hard for you to accept but its true and it may very well become an accepted form of sex by a large number of people. I certainly hope I am wrong but you see it as impossible or whatever and that is just not true.
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leckey wrote:
Free speech needs to be protected even when you don't agree.
Freedom of expression. However child porn is illegal and for good reasons. Do you defend child porn, even if it is computer generated and no real children were filmed?
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
However child porn is illegal and for good reasons. Do you defend child porn, even if it is computer generated and no real children were filmed?
It's odd when the hypothetical ethics experiment becomes actually plausable, isn't it? Obviously, involving children in sexual acts is illegal due to it's general immorality in our society, not to mention the demonstrable mental carnage it causes in the exploited kids. You won't find many (or any at all...) outside NAMBLA that'd argue that sex with kids should be legal, much less considered moral. NAMBLA's continued existence is a perfect example of how very necessary life sentences are in our legal system. Wanting to have sex with kids isn't something someone just does for the hell of it - it's a life long, uncontrollable dysfunction. And it warrants removal from the general population, as far as I'm concerned. But if there is no child involved in the animated porn flic, even though it presents a fiction of such a thing, is it still immoral? And should it be illegal as well? I'd argue that it is immoral using the standards I've got for morality. Genuinely wanting something to happen is, in my mind, equivalent to taking action to make it happen. And I mean genuinely wanting it to happen, not just shouting out "I'm gonna kill you!" in a fit of anger. But being immoral isn't necessarily an indication that something should also be illegal. I'd consider it immoral to cheat on a spouse, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal, for instance. However, with child porn, and with pedophilia being what we know it is today, I can only see a direct link between the want to produce and consume child porn and the persistent, uncontrollable need to carry out the act in real life. I'd say that animated child porn like this should be illegal not because it's immoral to want to have sex with children, but because the want to produce and consume it is directly linked with carrying it out. It's illegality serves not as a means to punish an immoral thought, but as a means to remove the pedophile from society at large. I flatly dismiss arguments that claim that animated child porn could be an alternate form of release for pedophiles. That's 100% nonsense. If such an argument held water, we'd already have seen the end of breeding due to the vast amounts of regular porn on the net. How do you feel about porn regarding other highly immoral events like fake-rape porn, or fake snuff
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"Look, I need to have sex with somebody" :laugh: Nothing like making the other person feel like you're really committed to them and will do anything in the world for them. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I reckon a step closer to making his wife feel like a Queen would be to say "Had I been single I would have liked to have had sex with that person but I'm not going to because I'm yours". Kinda easier and less painful than talking to Bruce and Demi for hours.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Nothing like making the other person feel like you're really committed to them and will do anything in the world for them. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I reckon a step closer to making his wife feel like a Queen would be to say "Had I been single I would have liked to have had sex with that person but I'm not going to because I'm yours". Kinda easier and less painful than talking to Bruce and Demi for hours.
:laugh::laugh:
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
However child porn is illegal and for good reasons. Do you defend child porn, even if it is computer generated and no real children were filmed?
It's odd when the hypothetical ethics experiment becomes actually plausable, isn't it? Obviously, involving children in sexual acts is illegal due to it's general immorality in our society, not to mention the demonstrable mental carnage it causes in the exploited kids. You won't find many (or any at all...) outside NAMBLA that'd argue that sex with kids should be legal, much less considered moral. NAMBLA's continued existence is a perfect example of how very necessary life sentences are in our legal system. Wanting to have sex with kids isn't something someone just does for the hell of it - it's a life long, uncontrollable dysfunction. And it warrants removal from the general population, as far as I'm concerned. But if there is no child involved in the animated porn flic, even though it presents a fiction of such a thing, is it still immoral? And should it be illegal as well? I'd argue that it is immoral using the standards I've got for morality. Genuinely wanting something to happen is, in my mind, equivalent to taking action to make it happen. And I mean genuinely wanting it to happen, not just shouting out "I'm gonna kill you!" in a fit of anger. But being immoral isn't necessarily an indication that something should also be illegal. I'd consider it immoral to cheat on a spouse, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal, for instance. However, with child porn, and with pedophilia being what we know it is today, I can only see a direct link between the want to produce and consume child porn and the persistent, uncontrollable need to carry out the act in real life. I'd say that animated child porn like this should be illegal not because it's immoral to want to have sex with children, but because the want to produce and consume it is directly linked with carrying it out. It's illegality serves not as a means to punish an immoral thought, but as a means to remove the pedophile from society at large. I flatly dismiss arguments that claim that animated child porn could be an alternate form of release for pedophiles. That's 100% nonsense. If such an argument held water, we'd already have seen the end of breeding due to the vast amounts of regular porn on the net. How do you feel about porn regarding other highly immoral events like fake-rape porn, or fake snuff
Russell Morris wrote:
How do you feel about porn regarding other highly immoral events like fake-rape porn, or fake snuff films? Is there a slippery slope for them?
I don't really know, I think child porn or bestiality is more offensive.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Barring the reasons, what would you say if and when it does happen? Will you believe that the cause was due to this acceptance in the here and now or just how nature intended it to be?
It's very simple: it will never be accepted. Just because people have spent thousands of years persecuting, demonizing, or rejecting sex between people of the same gender doesn't mean that in a thousand years we will be accepting sex between humans and animals. It's just another slippery slope fallacy. Alvaro
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Die anyway.I hope you're right. But humor me, worst case scenario it does happen? Don't tell me you can't accept it because it's impossible. It's not. If it is, there would be zero people doing it. So what would you say if the impossible happened? What would you blame it on?
"If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Possibly true too, but your way, according to those of us who also don't agree with your so-called "leftists", is also extreme. If I was made emperor of the world, I'd be what's best for it.
Not unless you consider how this country governed itself for the first 200 years or so to have been 'extreme'. If local communities still maintained their original power to define moral standards at the local level without the courts attacking them on bogus freedom of speech or separation of church and state charges, these sorts of excercises in pushing the moral envelope would never escape the depraved minds of their creators.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
See, but then you're saying that America has to be Christian and cannot condone other religions which goes against the Constitution. I still believe that there can be a happy medium between your philosophy and leftists that is not what centerist currently is.
"If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math
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"Look, I need to have sex with somebody" :laugh: Nothing like making the other person feel like you're really committed to them and will do anything in the world for them. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I reckon a step closer to making his wife feel like a Queen would be to say "Had I been single I would have liked to have had sex with that person but I'm not going to because I'm yours". Kinda easier and less painful than talking to Bruce and Demi for hours.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Russell Morris wrote:
How do you feel about porn regarding other highly immoral events like fake-rape porn, or fake snuff films? Is there a slippery slope for them?
I don't really know, I think child porn or bestiality is more offensive.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I don't really know, I think child porn or bestiality is more offensive.
I'd personally put deriving sexual pleasure from brutal deaths at the top of my list of offensive porn. But that's not really the point - is the offensiveness of the porn causal for its illegalization, or is it simply correlational?
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See, but then you're saying that America has to be Christian and cannot condone other religions which goes against the Constitution. I still believe that there can be a happy medium between your philosophy and leftists that is not what centerist currently is.
"If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
but then you're saying that America has to be Christian
No, you're saying it can be Christian.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
which goes against the Constitution
Only against modern extremist interpretations of the constitution.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
I still believe that there can be a happy medium between your philosophy and leftists that is not what centerist currently is.
It isn't possible. Jeffersonian principles are first and foremost predicated upon making people independent of centrlized political systems. Leftist principles are predicated upon making them dependent upon centralized political systems. There is no happy medium. You have to be all of one or all of the other. You cannot be both dependent and independent at the same time.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about