Question about Windows licensing
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I recently bought a new computer with XP Pro and got one of those Vista upgrade coupons that I'm about to send off. This whole thing about not being able to install a clean copy of Vista is annoying (I *never* upgrade an installation) but it got me thinking: does upgrading invalidate your license to use the old version of Windows i.e. if I have problems with Vista, can I go back to my old copy of XP? Also, given that the copy of Windows is licensed to that particular PC, can I run XP and Vista side-by-side on two different partitions? This whole Vista thing is really starting to cheese me off. There's no real reason why I need to upgrade other than to get DirectX 10 and games for that won't be coming out for a while. Even then, I suspect my 8800 GTS will run them pretty well anyway under DX9 :shrug:
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I recently bought a new computer with XP Pro and got one of those Vista upgrade coupons that I'm about to send off. This whole thing about not being able to install a clean copy of Vista is annoying (I *never* upgrade an installation) but it got me thinking: does upgrading invalidate your license to use the old version of Windows i.e. if I have problems with Vista, can I go back to my old copy of XP? Also, given that the copy of Windows is licensed to that particular PC, can I run XP and Vista side-by-side on two different partitions? This whole Vista thing is really starting to cheese me off. There's no real reason why I need to upgrade other than to get DirectX 10 and games for that won't be coming out for a while. Even then, I suspect my 8800 GTS will run them pretty well anyway under DX9 :shrug:
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I recently bought a new computer with XP Pro and got one of those Vista upgrade coupons that I'm about to send off. This whole thing about not being able to install a clean copy of Vista is annoying (I *never* upgrade an installation) but it got me thinking: does upgrading invalidate your license to use the old version of Windows i.e. if I have problems with Vista, can I go back to my old copy of XP? Also, given that the copy of Windows is licensed to that particular PC, can I run XP and Vista side-by-side on two different partitions? This whole Vista thing is really starting to cheese me off. There's no real reason why I need to upgrade other than to get DirectX 10 and games for that won't be coming out for a while. Even then, I suspect my 8800 GTS will run them pretty well anyway under DX9 :shrug:
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
This whole Vista thing is really starting to cheese me off. There's no real reason why I need to upgrade other than to get DirectX 10 and games for that won't be coming out for a while.
I ran Vista RC1 for a while. And then... (I'm going to say it, sorry) I took it off my laptop and put XP Pro back on. Just built a new server and a new workstation for home. Both of which are running Fedora Core 6 (Linux) and I couldn't be happier. Why would I want to install an OS that is only worth getting so that I could buy that same companies security software. If they didn't do it right to start with, why would I trust them to fix it. Please don't assume that I am just trying to bash MS. So far, in my life, I've bought at least 5 copies of every Microsoft OS. (Except Win ME) I've also bought several copies of each Server OS along the way. I've dished out an extreme amount of money for virtually the same thing, just tweaked for new hardware, mostly. I can't understand doing it anymore. Especially when I need a minimum of 1 GB RAM just to run the thing, let alone do anything useful. For the first time in my life I am actually saying no to MS. As a matter of fact, I am pondering what to do with the T-shirts that we had printed up last time, for my business. I've got a nice Microsoft OEM System Builder logo on them (bigger than all of the other logos) and I would be ashamed to ever wear one again. I had to share... sorry... go ahead flame away.
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
This whole Vista thing is really starting to cheese me off. There's no real reason why I need to upgrade other than to get DirectX 10 and games for that won't be coming out for a while.
I ran Vista RC1 for a while. And then... (I'm going to say it, sorry) I took it off my laptop and put XP Pro back on. Just built a new server and a new workstation for home. Both of which are running Fedora Core 6 (Linux) and I couldn't be happier. Why would I want to install an OS that is only worth getting so that I could buy that same companies security software. If they didn't do it right to start with, why would I trust them to fix it. Please don't assume that I am just trying to bash MS. So far, in my life, I've bought at least 5 copies of every Microsoft OS. (Except Win ME) I've also bought several copies of each Server OS along the way. I've dished out an extreme amount of money for virtually the same thing, just tweaked for new hardware, mostly. I can't understand doing it anymore. Especially when I need a minimum of 1 GB RAM just to run the thing, let alone do anything useful. For the first time in my life I am actually saying no to MS. As a matter of fact, I am pondering what to do with the T-shirts that we had printed up last time, for my business. I've got a nice Microsoft OEM System Builder logo on them (bigger than all of the other logos) and I would be ashamed to ever wear one again. I had to share... sorry... go ahead flame away.
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I have one of those coupons too. How do you "Cash them in", so to speak.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
Bradml wrote:
How do you "Cash them in"
There's a web site you have to go to and enter your details. They give you a number which you write on the coupon and mail/fax in with a copy of your receipt. I also have to pay about AUD 22 for shipping :-|
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Bradml wrote:
How do you "Cash them in"
There's a web site you have to go to and enter your details. They give you a number which you write on the coupon and mail/fax in with a copy of your receipt. I also have to pay about AUD 22 for shipping :-|
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
I also have to pay about AUD 22 for shipping :-|
That's odd
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
Bradml wrote:
That's odd
Odd ain't the word for it. All this faffing around, but I can get a DVD with every version of Windows ever made down at Panthip Plaza for about ten bucks :-| They throw in every version of DOS as well, just in case :laugh:
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Bradml wrote:
How do you "Cash them in"
There's a web site you have to go to and enter your details. They give you a number which you write on the coupon and mail/fax in with a copy of your receipt. I also have to pay about AUD 22 for shipping :-|
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
I also have to pay about AUD 22 for shipping
So you're back in Australia? What was the last straw - the bandwidth or the coup d'état?
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
I also have to pay about AUD 22 for shipping
So you're back in Australia? What was the last straw - the bandwidth or the coup d'état?
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
So you're back in Australia?
Meh, I'm still in Thailand, I'm just getting the disc shipped to Australia :-) I won't be needing it in a hurry :rolleyes:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
the bandwidth or the coup d'état?
The bandwidth still sucks. the coup was something of a non-event. It's business as usual, with the government and military faffing around trying to figure out what to do next and generally ballsing it up. Witness the recent shenanigans with the currency, foreign investments and visas. The fiasco with the new airport was long coming, although it's still surprising just how quickly it all fell apart after it was opened.
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I recently bought a new computer with XP Pro and got one of those Vista upgrade coupons that I'm about to send off. This whole thing about not being able to install a clean copy of Vista is annoying (I *never* upgrade an installation) but it got me thinking: does upgrading invalidate your license to use the old version of Windows i.e. if I have problems with Vista, can I go back to my old copy of XP? Also, given that the copy of Windows is licensed to that particular PC, can I run XP and Vista side-by-side on two different partitions? This whole Vista thing is really starting to cheese me off. There's no real reason why I need to upgrade other than to get DirectX 10 and games for that won't be coming out for a while. Even then, I suspect my 8800 GTS will run them pretty well anyway under DX9 :shrug:
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I don't know about Vista upgrade editions, but I recently installed Windows 2000 upgrade edition on an old machine for testing. It didn't require an older Windows version to be installed, but prompted me to insert a non-upgrade CD of Win98 or NT before starting the installation (I didn't find Win98, but fortunately it accepted a Win XP CD).
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
This whole Vista thing is really starting to cheese me off. There's no real reason why I need to upgrade other than to get DirectX 10 and games for that won't be coming out for a while.
I ran Vista RC1 for a while. And then... (I'm going to say it, sorry) I took it off my laptop and put XP Pro back on. Just built a new server and a new workstation for home. Both of which are running Fedora Core 6 (Linux) and I couldn't be happier. Why would I want to install an OS that is only worth getting so that I could buy that same companies security software. If they didn't do it right to start with, why would I trust them to fix it. Please don't assume that I am just trying to bash MS. So far, in my life, I've bought at least 5 copies of every Microsoft OS. (Except Win ME) I've also bought several copies of each Server OS along the way. I've dished out an extreme amount of money for virtually the same thing, just tweaked for new hardware, mostly. I can't understand doing it anymore. Especially when I need a minimum of 1 GB RAM just to run the thing, let alone do anything useful. For the first time in my life I am actually saying no to MS. As a matter of fact, I am pondering what to do with the T-shirts that we had printed up last time, for my business. I've got a nice Microsoft OEM System Builder logo on them (bigger than all of the other logos) and I would be ashamed to ever wear one again. I had to share... sorry... go ahead flame away.
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Bradml wrote:
How do you "Cash them in"
There's a web site you have to go to and enter your details. They give you a number which you write on the coupon and mail/fax in with a copy of your receipt. I also have to pay about AUD 22 for shipping :-|
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
I also have to pay about AUD 22 for shipping :-|
Complain to your retailer. They decide how much, if any of hte cost to eat for you. Could be worse, I've heard of someone having to pay $29 US for their upgrade copy since the cloneshop wasn't willing to pay a cent of it.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
I also have to pay about AUD 22 for shipping :-|
Complain to your retailer. They decide how much, if any of hte cost to eat for you. Could be worse, I've heard of someone having to pay $29 US for their upgrade copy since the cloneshop wasn't willing to pay a cent of it.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
dan neely wrote:
Complain to your retailer. They decide how much, if any of hte cost to eat for you.
I s'pose I could but I've got more than enough hassle in my life right now without going out looking for more of it :| Ya just *know* they're going to turn around and say it's nothing to do with them. It's a bit annoying if that's actually the case. It's a FragBox from Falcon NorthWest which cost over $4K so one can understand their position, given such thin margins :rolleyes:
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dan neely wrote:
Complain to your retailer. They decide how much, if any of hte cost to eat for you.
I s'pose I could but I've got more than enough hassle in my life right now without going out looking for more of it :| Ya just *know* they're going to turn around and say it's nothing to do with them. It's a bit annoying if that's actually the case. It's a FragBox from Falcon NorthWest which cost over $4K so one can understand their position, given such thin margins :rolleyes:
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
It's a FragBox from Falcon NorthWest which cost over $4K so one can understand their position, given such thin margins
Well there's your problem, you bought a ripoff in a box. Having already IIRC soaked you for something like a grand, and using inferior quality parts to the DIY used in the comparison, what's another $20 down the rat hole.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
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Taka Muraoka wrote:
It's a FragBox from Falcon NorthWest which cost over $4K so one can understand their position, given such thin margins
Well there's your problem, you bought a ripoff in a box. Having already IIRC soaked you for something like a grand, and using inferior quality parts to the DIY used in the comparison, what's another $20 down the rat hole.
-- Rules of thumb should not be taken for the whole hand.
dan neely wrote:
Well there's your problem, you bought a ripoff in a box.
Yah, I know it was ridiculously expensive but I had some rather specific requirements that I can't have met here in Thailand (at least not without a lot of fscking around). I don't have the time to learn how to build a machine from scratch, especially not a high-performance small form factor one, so it was just a case of paying the extra money to get one built. The actual box itself was about $3800 but shipping was quite painful. Awasu just closed a big deal[^] so I figured I might spoil myself a bit :jig:
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Try Ubuntu also. I am very pleased with it, although it gave me a hard time installing the DLink WiFi card. Thomas
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
So you're back in Australia?
Meh, I'm still in Thailand, I'm just getting the disc shipped to Australia :-) I won't be needing it in a hurry :rolleyes:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
the bandwidth or the coup d'état?
The bandwidth still sucks. the coup was something of a non-event. It's business as usual, with the government and military faffing around trying to figure out what to do next and generally ballsing it up. Witness the recent shenanigans with the currency, foreign investments and visas. The fiasco with the new airport was long coming, although it's still surprising just how quickly it all fell apart after it was opened.
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Actually, the fact that you mentioned Australian dollars was not the only reason I asked if you were back - your bio says your location is Australia. I guess you never changed it when you moved to Thailand. :) Just a shot in the dark, but were you British-educated?
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
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Actually, the fact that you mentioned Australian dollars was not the only reason I asked if you were back - your bio says your location is Australia. I guess you never changed it when you moved to Thailand. :) Just a shot in the dark, but were you British-educated?
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Actually, the fact that you mentioned Australian dollars was not the only reason I asked if you were back - your bio says your location is Australia. I guess you never changed it when you moved to Thailand.
Yes, I actually prefer to keep it a bit quiet. Awasu is an *Australian* company, not a Thai one :-)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Just a shot in the dark, but were you British-educated?
Hmmm, what makes you say that?
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dan neely wrote:
Well there's your problem, you bought a ripoff in a box.
Yah, I know it was ridiculously expensive but I had some rather specific requirements that I can't have met here in Thailand (at least not without a lot of fscking around). I don't have the time to learn how to build a machine from scratch, especially not a high-performance small form factor one, so it was just a case of paying the extra money to get one built. The actual box itself was about $3800 but shipping was quite painful. Awasu just closed a big deal[^] so I figured I might spoil myself a bit :jig:
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Congrats on closing the deal, mate! Sounds great. :-D
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.