Quality of the articles
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"I think it's just bad taste pointing someone like that" for little gramatical mistakes on an international forum :rolleyes: Seriously, I thought the "be" was simply missed when Maximilien typed, but I'm curious about that last line:
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The article will be put in the purgatory
Is removing the "the" a question of style or grammar? That sounded good to me (who speaks English as a second language).
HollyHooo wrote:
Is removing the "the" a question of style or grammar? That sounded good to me (who speaks English as a second language).
I'd say grammar. Here are some examples: * I put the ball in the box * My grandad went to heaven * The dictator went to hell * I live in Scotland * I live in the city. If you look at these examples you can see they fall in to two distinct groups. When you insert an article (either definite or indefinite) between the preposition and noun you will notice that the noun is one example of many (an instance of a class in development terms). The other group, where the article is not present, you will notice that the noun is something unique (a singleton). There is only ever one instance of that class.
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"I think it's just bad taste pointing someone like that" for little gramatical mistakes on an international forum :rolleyes: Seriously, I thought the "be" was simply missed when Maximilien typed, but I'm curious about that last line:
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The article will be put in the purgatory
Is removing the "the" a question of style or grammar? That sounded good to me (who speaks English as a second language).
HollyHooo wrote:
"I think it's just bad taste pointing someone like that" for little gramatical mistakes on an international forum
Sorry, I didn't mean to embarrass anyone. I don't normally point out minor gramatical errors, it is just that I realised that one possible correction could make the sentence sound really absurd to a non-native English speaker.
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Maximilien wrote:
The article will put in the purgatory
I was about to correct a little gramatical mistake you had in there, but then I realised one of the possible corrections would sound totally absurd. The article will get put in the purgatory "get" generally being used as the opposite of "put" it makes it sound very odd. e.g. "I get the apples off the shelf." Now reverse the action. "I put the apples on the shelf." Back to the original statement. You can also say: The article will be put in the purgatory
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HollyHooo wrote:
"I think it's just bad taste pointing someone like that" for little gramatical mistakes on an international forum
Sorry, I didn't mean to embarrass anyone. I don't normally point out minor gramatical errors, it is just that I realised that one possible correction could make the sentence sound really absurd to a non-native English speaker.
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Appologies if you feel sorry, it was really just too easy to make a (lame) joke based on Maximilien's original post.
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HollyHooo wrote:
Is removing the "the" a question of style or grammar? That sounded good to me (who speaks English as a second language).
I'd say grammar. Here are some examples: * I put the ball in the box * My grandad went to heaven * The dictator went to hell * I live in Scotland * I live in the city. If you look at these examples you can see they fall in to two distinct groups. When you insert an article (either definite or indefinite) between the preposition and noun you will notice that the noun is one example of many (an instance of a class in development terms). The other group, where the article is not present, you will notice that the noun is something unique (a singleton). There is only ever one instance of that class.
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Thank you for explaining. I now know for sure that the rule is the same in French. It's me who interpreted CP's Purgatory as a place because of my catholic background. Looking at the "a temporary condition of torment or suffering" definition, and all makes sense! Thanks!
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Mais un 5 pour le principe :)
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Maximilien wrote:
The article will put in the purgatory
I was about to correct a little gramatical mistake you had in there, but then I realised one of the possible corrections would sound totally absurd. The article will get put in the purgatory "get" generally being used as the opposite of "put" it makes it sound very odd. e.g. "I get the apples off the shelf." Now reverse the action. "I put the apples on the shelf." Back to the original statement. You can also say: The article will be put in the purgatory
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Why did you remove the 'the'? The Lounge, the Soapbox... the Purgatory?
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
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In the last months I was less "rigorous" about the quality of the articles, because I'm writing my articles... but this[^] is a live "Daily WTF[^]" :wtf::omg: Snippet:
Dim DeleteColZero As Boolean = True Dim DeleteColOne As Boolean = True Dim DeleteColTwo As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColThree As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColFour As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColFive As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColSix As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColSeven As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColEight As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColNine As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColTen As Boolean = False:wtf::omg:
:sigh: Still searching for a good resource to LEARN English grammar ... :~
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:Obviously the variables should have been strings to make the code easier to understand!
Dim DeleteColZero As String = "Yes":-D"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
CP article: SmartPager - a Flickr-style pager control with go-to-page popup layer.
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In the last months I was less "rigorous" about the quality of the articles, because I'm writing my articles... but this[^] is a live "Daily WTF[^]" :wtf::omg: Snippet:
Dim DeleteColZero As Boolean = True Dim DeleteColOne As Boolean = True Dim DeleteColTwo As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColThree As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColFour As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColFive As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColSix As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColSeven As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColEight As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColNine As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColTen As Boolean = False:wtf::omg:
:sigh: Still searching for a good resource to LEARN English grammar ... :~
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger: -
Obviously the variables should have been strings to make the code easier to understand!
Dim DeleteColZero As String = "Yes":-D"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
CP article: SmartPager - a Flickr-style pager control with go-to-page popup layer.
function ReturnYes(){ return true; } function ReturnNo(){ return false; } function ReturnPerhaps(){ return rand(); } Dim DeleteColZero As returnYes
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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Why did you remove the 'the'? The Lounge, the Soapbox... the Purgatory?
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Why did you remove the 'the'? The Lounge, the Soapbox... the Purgatory?
That was explained here[^] In short. When the noun is a singleton the "the" is dropped. When it one instance of a class of many it needs an article ("a", "an", "one" or "the")
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In the last months I was less "rigorous" about the quality of the articles, because I'm writing my articles... but this[^] is a live "Daily WTF[^]" :wtf::omg: Snippet:
Dim DeleteColZero As Boolean = True Dim DeleteColOne As Boolean = True Dim DeleteColTwo As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColThree As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColFour As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColFive As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColSix As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColSeven As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColEight As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColNine As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColTen As Boolean = False:wtf::omg:
:sigh: Still searching for a good resource to LEARN English grammar ... :~
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:I see code like this whenever I go through outsourced code. My current company doesn't outsource, but I had several WTF moments in past assignments. I can't help but wonder if they are getting paid by line of code, and not the total functionality of the deliverable.
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In the last months I was less "rigorous" about the quality of the articles, because I'm writing my articles... but this[^] is a live "Daily WTF[^]" :wtf::omg: Snippet:
Dim DeleteColZero As Boolean = True Dim DeleteColOne As Boolean = True Dim DeleteColTwo As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColThree As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColFour As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColFive As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColSix As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColSeven As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColEight As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColNine As Boolean = False Dim DeleteColTen As Boolean = False:wtf::omg:
:sigh: Still searching for a good resource to LEARN English grammar ... :~
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger: -
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Why did you remove the 'the'? The Lounge, the Soapbox... the Purgatory?
That was explained here[^] In short. When the noun is a singleton the "the" is dropped. When it one instance of a class of many it needs an article ("a", "an", "one" or "the")
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I still tend to disagree. (Not with your rule, but with dropping the 'the' before Purgatory.) We only have one Lounge, one SB and one Purgatory. Given that the Lounge and the SB are also singletons, are you saying the correct version is "Don't post programming questions in Lounge"? Also, the rule has many exceptions: Don't look at the Sun directly. He spent three years in the Crimea. The Gambia is surrounded by Senegal.
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
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I still tend to disagree. (Not with your rule, but with dropping the 'the' before Purgatory.) We only have one Lounge, one SB and one Purgatory. Given that the Lounge and the SB are also singletons, are you saying the correct version is "Don't post programming questions in Lounge"? Also, the rule has many exceptions: Don't look at the Sun directly. He spent three years in the Crimea. The Gambia is surrounded by Senegal.
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Given that the Lounge and the SB are also singletons, are you saying the correct version is "Don't post programming questions in Lounge"?
They are not singletons. I have a lounge in my house, as to my parents. The lounge is one instance of a class. The Soapbox is something that many polititians stand on in order to tell the world their views. Just because here in Code Project there is only one lounge does not mean your drop the article. If you read any well written, grammatically correct, article on the subect of Purgatory you will see that it is never preceded by the word "the" or "a".
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Don't look at the Sun directly.
Incorrect, the sun is a single instance of a class that has many instantiations. There are many suns in our galaxy. (You can say "Don't look at Sol directly" - as there is only one instance of Sol, which is the name of our sun)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
He spent three years in the Crimea.
The correct form is "The Crimea" (note the capital T on The). The two words together make up a proper noun. I've also seen in many texts it refered to as simply "Crimea" also.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The Gambia is surrounded by Senegal.
Again, "The Gambia" is a proper noun. Also, many people refer to it as simply "Gambia"
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Given that the Lounge and the SB are also singletons, are you saying the correct version is "Don't post programming questions in Lounge"?
They are not singletons. I have a lounge in my house, as to my parents. The lounge is one instance of a class. The Soapbox is something that many polititians stand on in order to tell the world their views. Just because here in Code Project there is only one lounge does not mean your drop the article. If you read any well written, grammatically correct, article on the subect of Purgatory you will see that it is never preceded by the word "the" or "a".
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Don't look at the Sun directly.
Incorrect, the sun is a single instance of a class that has many instantiations. There are many suns in our galaxy. (You can say "Don't look at Sol directly" - as there is only one instance of Sol, which is the name of our sun)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
He spent three years in the Crimea.
The correct form is "The Crimea" (note the capital T on The). The two words together make up a proper noun. I've also seen in many texts it refered to as simply "Crimea" also.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
The Gambia is surrounded by Senegal.
Again, "The Gambia" is a proper noun. Also, many people refer to it as simply "Gambia"
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
They are not singletons. I have a lounge in my house, as to my parents. The lounge is one instance of a class.
In this context, they are.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
If you read any well written, grammatically correct, article on the subect of Purgatory you will see that it is never preceded by the word "the" or "a".
I think we have to agree to disagree on this. However, you do have a point - Heaven and Hell are never prefixed with 'the'.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Incorrect, the sun is a single instance of a class that has many instantiations.
Again, this is a question of taste. The sun is a star like many others, but there is *one* Sun, and many stars. Aliens may beg to differ... ;P
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The correct form is "The Crimea" (note the capital T on The). The two words together make up a proper noun. I've also seen in many texts it refered to as simply "Crimea" also.
Are you saying that the 'The' before 'Crimea' is simply a part of the name and not an article? :~ More exceptions to your original rule: * Hyderabad is considered the Queen of the Deccan. (there is only one Deccan) * Cairo is situated on the banks of the Nile. * The highest mountain range in the world is the Himalayas. A Scot and an Indian arguing on arcane aspects of English grammar. Hee hee. :-D
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
They are not singletons. I have a lounge in my house, as to my parents. The lounge is one instance of a class.
In this context, they are.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
If you read any well written, grammatically correct, article on the subect of Purgatory you will see that it is never preceded by the word "the" or "a".
I think we have to agree to disagree on this. However, you do have a point - Heaven and Hell are never prefixed with 'the'.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Incorrect, the sun is a single instance of a class that has many instantiations.
Again, this is a question of taste. The sun is a star like many others, but there is *one* Sun, and many stars. Aliens may beg to differ... ;P
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The correct form is "The Crimea" (note the capital T on The). The two words together make up a proper noun. I've also seen in many texts it refered to as simply "Crimea" also.
Are you saying that the 'The' before 'Crimea' is simply a part of the name and not an article? :~ More exceptions to your original rule: * Hyderabad is considered the Queen of the Deccan. (there is only one Deccan) * Cairo is situated on the banks of the Nile. * The highest mountain range in the world is the Himalayas. A Scot and an Indian arguing on arcane aspects of English grammar. Hee hee. :-D
Cheers, Vikram.
"...we are disempowered to cultivate in their communities an inclination to assimilate to our culture." - Stan Shannon.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Colin Angus Mackay wrote: If you read any well written, grammatically correct, article on the subect of Purgatory you will see that it is never preceded by the word "the" or "a". I think we have to agree to disagree on this.
Why? Can you show me an example of a well written article that puts "the" in front of the word "purgatory" when it is used as a noun? If you can, then I'll concede that you are right.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Again, this is a question of taste. The sun is a star like many others, but there is *one* Sun, and many stars. Aliens may beg to differ...
:rolleyes:
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Are you saying that the 'The' before 'Crimea' is simply a part of the name and not an article? More exceptions to your original rule: * Hyderabad is considered the Queen of the Deccan. (there is only one Deccan) * Cairo is situated on the banks of the Nile. * The highest mountain range in the world is the Himalayas.
Yes, and the examples you give are all proper nouns too.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
A Scot and an Indian arguing on arcane aspects of English grammar
I know. But my native languge is only spoken by a small percentage of the population now. It was beaten out of us. (My mother was punished at school for using even short phrases of it)
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