Example: Why does .NET promote bad programming practices?

[Joe Woodbury]

This annoys me greatly as well--it one app I was working on, it caused a noticeable performance drop. I ended up rolling my own parsers that never threw exceptions (and ended up being faster with the non-exception cases as well.)

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[Paul Watson]

Does that even compile?

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[Ed Poore]

Tis true I'm afraid, I was  X| when I looked at the source with Reflector.

[Paul Watson]

'cause it is useful when you need it to get a quick job done. There is a lot to be said about premature optimisation and astronaut architects.

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[Ennis Ray Lynch Jr]

Now we all know why a democracy will never work. (before I get totally flamed anyone that thinks the U.S. was ever a democracy should have failed civics)

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[Gary Wheeler]

He missed a couple right parentheses ')'. I dare you to put a message in the Suggestions forum asking Chris for a C++ syntax checker in the post submission gizmo :-D.

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[Chris Losinger]

Marc Clifton wrote:

The result is a case-sensitive, culture-specific, difficult to extend, and probably format specific within the context of the whole parser, implementation.

if the strings are limited to a small set of pre-defined values, none of that matters. in that case, the only thing separating that from a numeric switch is the cost of a string compare vs a simple numeric compare. and it might be acceptable to pay that price.

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[peterchen]

Spent all the day crunching out specs... My coding skills deteriorate quickly.

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[Ray Cassick]

Although I tend to try to stay away form case statements that are on anything other than numbers (or enums as the case may also be) I can see where that would have it usefulness. It is difficult, as it is in any syntactical/grammatical base question, to say outright if it is 'wrong' without some surrounding context. I will admit that I have done somewhat similar things in cases where I asked the user to verify with an exact text string that they want to do something (IE: delete a record form a database). Of course once again you have to put it into context. My app was not going to be used outside the company so I had no language/culture problems to deal with that would have made string comparisons a problem. It was a simple solution to a very narrow problem.

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[Clickok]

Marc Clifton wrote:

Now, I personally don't feel a language should (or even can) enforce good programming practices. But a language that supports a bad practice certainly doesn't help the situation.

Yeah, but I really like of the freedom of choice.

Marc Clifton wrote:

Anyone want to contribute other examples or thoughts?

Once I have suggested in MSDN Feedback Center this language improvement (in bold):

for(int i=0; i<10; i++) as externalFor
{
for(int j=0; j<10; j++) as middleFor
{
for(int k=0; j<10; k++) as innerFor
{
if (someCondition)
{
break middleFor;
}
if (anotherCondition)
{
continue externalFor;
}
}
}
}

and they told me to use goto statements... X|

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[DavidNohejl]

Phrase "astronaut architects" is not known to be, but I think I agree :) Using TryParse when dealing with user input is usually sufficient. If TryParse methods are not fast enough, by all means implement yours. edit: oops, didn't see you responded to original post and not TryParse debate above. Well, surprisingly my post didn't lost its meaning. :->

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[DavidNohejl]

Interesting, this is what my Reflector shows: private static bool TryStringToNumber(string str, NumberStyles options, ref Number.NumberBuffer number, NumberFormatInfo numfmt, bool parseDecimal);

  if (!Number.ParseNumber(ref chPtr2, options, ref number, numfmt, parseDecimal) 
        || ((((long) ((chPtr2 - chPtr1) / 2)) < str.Length)
        && !Number.TrailingZeros(str, (int) ((long) ((chPtr2 - chPtr1) / 2)))))
            {
                  return false;
            }

private static void StringToNumber(string str, NumberStyles options, ref Number.NumberBuffer number, NumberFormatInfo info, bool parseDecimal);

      if (!Number.ParseNumber(ref chPtr2, options, ref number, info, parseDecimal) 
       || ((((long) ((chPtr2 - chPtr1) / 2)) < str.Length) 
       && !Number.TrailingZeros(str, (int) ((long) ((chPtr2 - chPtr1) / 2)))))
            {
                  throw new FormatException(Environment.GetResourceString("Format_InvalidString"));
            }

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[realJSOP]

Of course, if case isn't an issue, you could just do the equivalent of MFC's MakeUpper() or MakeLower() and then run through your switch statement. However, that does not address the issue of language unless you can put the strings into a resource file or something, but then you'd be able to run your switch on integers instead of text. Still, having a switch statement for text is the next best thing to stupid I've seen in a long time.

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[Chris Losinger]

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

unless you can put the strings into a resource file or something, but then you'd be able to run your switch on integers instead of text.

not if, for example, those strings are coming from database records, and there's no numeric equivalent in the record (so you can't just use the number instead of the string), and there's no way you can change the DB schema (because too many things would break). you can do a string compare on each record and generate a numeric code to carry around along with the recordset, to use that in your switch statements. but that just moves the string compare - it doesn't eliminate it. sometimes the best you can do is Make It Work.

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[jpg 0]

Since strings in .NET are unicode, the string "Hello" is basically a byte[10] array with fixed, compile-time known value. This is not a language issue or compiler issue at all because instead of 'case 0: case 1: case 234:', you have a string representative of the underlying values, which is much more readable. In terms of case-sensitive and culture issue, it really depends on where the given string comes from and what does it represent. For instance, in a localized app, regardless of the culture, you will need a culture-unspecific id to identify a control/component. That id could be a GUID, an integer, or a string. From your code sample, I will presume that the given 'myString' is properly normalized with correct cap and trimming. If this isn't the case, then it is the programmer's problem, never the tool.

[Tomas Petricek]

It is very difficult to find the ballance between enforcing good practices and giving developers more control. The example you posted can be dangerous, but it is perfectly correct in certain situations (as Rocky Moore mentioned). Interesting extension to the swith control structure are Active patterns available in F#: http://blogs.msdn.com/dsyme/archive/2006/08/16/ActivePatterns.aspx[^]. In simple words, active patterns make it is possible to write patterns (rules) that are executed when "case" statement is reached. This rule can than decide whether case statement should be executed. Of course this can be misused, but I think that it would be interesting extension to main-stream programming languages.

// You could then use something like this..:
switch(str)
{
case CaseSensitiveMatch("something"):
... break;
case CaseInsensitiveMatch("SomeThinG"):
... break;
case CaseInsensitiveContains("thing"):
... break;
}

Actually working with strings directly is always potential source of problems (with localization), but I think that active patterns could be useful in many other sitations.

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[Ed Poore]

Hmm, must have been mistaken then, where did I see that code then... :suss:

[tgrt]

I remember seeing it in Reflector too, so don't feel bad. Maybe it changed with SP1?

[Stuart Dootson]

And then the "quick job" gets used a lot and built upon and (before you know it) that quick hack is the corner stone of a dreadful big monolithic application...

[Paul Watson]

I first heard about it from Joel[^].

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Shog9 wrote:

And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...