Vista ready for developers?
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Chris Losinger wrote:
which breaks things like being able to drag/drop files from Explorer onto the IDE
OK, I don't get this. Why, if I'm the friggin' admin, does it break that feature? Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
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People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
Why, if I'm the friggin' admin, does it break that feature?
don't argue. it's for your own good. Vista knows best.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Why, if I'm the friggin' admin, does it break that feature?
don't argue. it's for your own good. Vista knows best.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
don't argue. it's for your own good. Vista knows best.
Where's my abacus? The beads didn't have any security issues! ;P Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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Chris Losinger wrote:
don't argue. it's for your own good. Vista knows best.
Where's my abacus? The beads didn't have any security issues! ;P Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithIf someone tried to hack your abacus, all we would have to do is dust for fingerprints...
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John Cardinal wrote:
This may be a dumb question, but somewhere in all the talk of vista etc I've completely missed whether you can actually install visual studio 2005 on it and do asp.net and winform development. Anyone doing this? Any limitations?
I've been running Vista since December 2006. (We're MS Partners so we got it early). As such I have only had 2 main issues with vista. 1) UAC is a pain in the a$$ at times. 2) The last batch of updates messed up my administration settings. --this happened to a few people after Patch tuesday. It forced me to re-install vista (clean wipe). Other than that it works like a charm. Better memory management, WAY better IIS, faster, and it allows me to stick our 5GB USB keys in it to use as virtual RAM for increased mindsweeper action!
MrBic wrote:
- UAC is a pain in the a$$ at times. 2) The last batch of updates messed up my administration settings. --this happened to a few people after Patch tuesday. It forced me to re-install vista (clean wipe).
So, other than a poor user experience, corrupted settings, and a complete re-install it's good!? :wtf:
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Hey Chris! How's that new car? I'm driving it right now. After I replaced the water pump, installed an oil filter and oil, fought with the wiring to the engine, added that fourth tire, tweaked the steering so it will turn left AND right, it's been fine. ... Would YOU buy and use a car that like? No? Then why the heck would you use software that way? I'm just sayin ... doesn't seem right folks. Maybe that's just me. :rolleyes:
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This may be a dumb question, but somewhere in all the talk of vista etc I've completely missed whether you can actually install visual studio 2005 on it and do asp.net and winform development. Anyone doing this? Any limitations?
Doing it. I have encountered some issues with managed directx (XNA studio doesn't work either). UAC screws up quite a few installers too (postsharp for one) and you will have to mess around with msiexec quite a bit. I really wouldn't recommend it for serious work (I use it for hobby game dev).
Ryan
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MrBic wrote:
- UAC is a pain in the a$$ at times. 2) The last batch of updates messed up my administration settings. --this happened to a few people after Patch tuesday. It forced me to re-install vista (clean wipe).
So, other than a poor user experience, corrupted settings, and a complete re-install it's good!? :wtf:
noT really poor user experience, there's a few things about UAC i don't like: -Currently when installing a .msi file you need to write a batch file that calls MSIEXEC.exe -i [fullpathof msi fil] , and then "Run as administrator". Sure it's secure, but it's a pain. Whenever you run any program in Administrator Mode - it asks for confirmation. ---I wish there was an option "Yes and don't ask me anymore". or "YEs, and if you ask me again I'll format your computerhood". Other than that, and the weird issue with my Administrator priviledges...(actually the entire Administrator roll on the computer was hosed...) i'm happy with it. It only takes 27 minutes to install Vista Ultimate with a complete format. yes, it's very quick. (on my development work computer). Took me 3 hours to get the entire computer Up and Running with a complete format -> ALl development tools installed, and I was able to watch stargate on my 2nd monitor while it was installing :D
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Chris Losinger wrote:
don't argue. it's for your own good. Vista knows best.
Where's my abacus? The beads didn't have any security issues! ;P Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
doing it right now. there's a bit of setup you need to do (install all the SPs, for one), then make VS run as admin (which breaks things like being able to drag/drop files from Explorer onto the IDE). then you have to fight with IIS, install some extensions. then reset all your folder permissions (if you did an upgrade from XP), because that stuff gets whacked and IIS can't get to your web files any more. but... eventually, after a bunch of tweaking, you can get it working fine.
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Any links or hinst on what struggling you need to do with IIS? I've an ASP.NET app (VS 2005) that I'd like to move onto the vista machine...
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That wasn't really directed at you, by any means ... just funny how "we'll" have to hack this, bash that, beat the system into submission, just to get things working ... and we're "fine" with it ... ... well, at least, we've been "programmed" that way ... :~
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Any links or hinst on what struggling you need to do with IIS? I've an ASP.NET app (VS 2005) that I'd like to move onto the vista machine...
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i found this page[^] pretty helpful. (i didn't do step 5, though)
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This may be a dumb question, but somewhere in all the talk of vista etc I've completely missed whether you can actually install visual studio 2005 on it and do asp.net and winform development. Anyone doing this? Any limitations?
John Cardinal wrote:
actually install visual studio 2005
I am the odd-ball of the bunch, I have VS2005,VS2003, and VS6.0 2003 and VS6.0 have intel compilers installed within the IDE. I don't have a final version of Vista yet and if I recall my RC expires tomorrow or something like that. I didn't do much with it, but wanted to see if I can run parallels with VMs for each compiler to keep the environments isolated. So far that has worked, but my primary is still VS2003 and VS6.0.
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This may be a dumb question, but somewhere in all the talk of vista etc I've completely missed whether you can actually install visual studio 2005 on it and do asp.net and winform development. Anyone doing this? Any limitations?
I've been using VS2005 (for WinForms and WPF development) on Vista with no problems so far. I've also compiled a large MFC/C++ project on my Vista box with no problems. [I almost forgot] I can no longer open solutions and C# files by draging
.slnand.csfiles into the VS2005 IDE. I think this has more to with Vista than VS2005, because NotePad won't let me drag files into it either. I have no problems browsing to files or opening solutions by double-clicking a.sln. Weird. VS2005 and NotePad work fine on my XP boxes. [/I almost forgot] /raviThis is your brain on Celcius Home | Music | Articles | Freeware | Trips ravib(at)ravib(dot)com
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MrBic wrote:
- UAC is a pain in the a$$ at times. 2) The last batch of updates messed up my administration settings. --this happened to a few people after Patch tuesday. It forced me to re-install vista (clean wipe).
So, other than a poor user experience, corrupted settings, and a complete re-install it's good!? :wtf:
tgrt wrote:
So, other than a poor user experience, corrupted settings, and a complete re-install it's good!?
someone has to find these things and report them so that you can complain about them and they can get fixed before you ever attempt it. :) That is why they call it the bleeding edge....
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It has nothing to do with being admin, it's process integrity levels. A process can't communicate with another process that is running at a higher integrity level. So when Explorer is running medium and the IDE is running high, Explorer can't communicate (via drag and drop) with the IDE. It's the same system that protected mode IE uses. IE runs at low integrity, so code inside that process can't touch your other apps which run at medium.
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I'm all for increased security but I don't except to have to choose between security and usability. Obviously there are exceptions to every rule but in general I shouldn't be forced to make such a choice.
Steve
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John Cardinal wrote:
Anyone doing this? Any limitations?
I installed VS2005 and successfully compiled my WinForm apps. Don't have any ASP.NET stuff to try. But other than that, I haven't done much else with Vista. Wasn't there some problem with debugging and Vista? Some problem requiring admin rights (even though you're not supposed to do development as an admin, even according to MS)? Who knows. The real reason I don't use the Vista machine is because it's a machine my client sent me for testing, and it is NOISY. CPU fan, video card fan, PS fan, 8 hard drives. Good grief. And the tests failed. Can't play DVD's over the network, problems with MPG2 and AVI codecs, etc. What a mess. And besides VS2005, I'd also need to install SQL 2005 Express on the machine. That's not supposed to work quite right either, is it? What were they thinking? Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
That's not supposed to work quite right either, is it?
Works fine, I have been using it for months along with VS 2005, and SQL Management studio express.
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John Cardinal wrote:
actually install visual studio 2005
I am the odd-ball of the bunch, I have VS2005,VS2003, and VS6.0 2003 and VS6.0 have intel compilers installed within the IDE. I don't have a final version of Vista yet and if I recall my RC expires tomorrow or something like that. I didn't do much with it, but wanted to see if I can run parallels with VMs for each compiler to keep the environments isolated. So far that has worked, but my primary is still VS2003 and VS6.0.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote:
I recall my RC expires tomorrow or something like that
Actually, the RCs are suppose to end in May 2007 :)
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John Cardinal wrote:
Anyone doing this? Any limitations?
I installed VS2005 and successfully compiled my WinForm apps. Don't have any ASP.NET stuff to try. But other than that, I haven't done much else with Vista. Wasn't there some problem with debugging and Vista? Some problem requiring admin rights (even though you're not supposed to do development as an admin, even according to MS)? Who knows. The real reason I don't use the Vista machine is because it's a machine my client sent me for testing, and it is NOISY. CPU fan, video card fan, PS fan, 8 hard drives. Good grief. And the tests failed. Can't play DVD's over the network, problems with MPG2 and AVI codecs, etc. What a mess. And besides VS2005, I'd also need to install SQL 2005 Express on the machine. That's not supposed to work quite right either, is it? What were they thinking? Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithMarc Clifton wrote:
And besides VS2005, I'd also need to install SQL 2005 Express on the machine. That's not supposed to work quite right either, is it?
I had to install the Express edition SP1, and it works fine. Management Studio, though, it's broken. The "normal" SP1 version doesn't install, so I had to use the SP2 CTP[^] and it's quite unstable. :sigh:
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The abacus would have security if it was made out of aero glass :laugh: UAC is nice... but at times... i want to turn it into johny depp and punch it!
MrBic wrote:
UAC is nice... but at times...
A little punctuation problem there. Should be: UAC is nice at times...but...:-D
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noT really poor user experience, there's a few things about UAC i don't like: -Currently when installing a .msi file you need to write a batch file that calls MSIEXEC.exe -i [fullpathof msi fil] , and then "Run as administrator". Sure it's secure, but it's a pain. Whenever you run any program in Administrator Mode - it asks for confirmation. ---I wish there was an option "Yes and don't ask me anymore". or "YEs, and if you ask me again I'll format your computerhood". Other than that, and the weird issue with my Administrator priviledges...(actually the entire Administrator roll on the computer was hosed...) i'm happy with it. It only takes 27 minutes to install Vista Ultimate with a complete format. yes, it's very quick. (on my development work computer). Took me 3 hours to get the entire computer Up and Running with a complete format -> ALl development tools installed, and I was able to watch stargate on my 2nd monitor while it was installing :D
MrBic wrote:
-Currently when installing a .msi file you need to write a batch file that calls MSIEXEC.exe -i [fullpathof msi fil] , and then "Run as administrator". Sure it's secure, but it's a pain.
Write a batch that takes the .msi file as a parameter, and then add in the registry an entry so that when you righ lick on msi files it would run the batch file as admin. Of course, you'd still have to enter the admin password, but easier than writing a batch every time..
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