Global warmng hits..... [modified]
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Look at Venus, a similar planet to ours with surface temperatures of 200 deg C
Does being 41 million km closer to the sun help that any? :)
From what I understand the mai n explaination for the temperature difference is it's atmosphere composed of greenhouse gasses.
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Global warming is just a bunch of overly hyped BS. Its just a way to get you to hand over your wallet in the name of the polar bears and the future children of the world who wont be able to chase butterflies in tall grassy fields if we don't pay up. I won't fall for it and I don't care what people tell me. I won't believe it until I experience warm(60F) rainy days in February for more than one year. Right now its much colder than the average temperature and it snowing like crazy like a normal winter day.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I won't believe it until I experience warm(60F) rainy days in February for more than one year
On my planet, February only lasts for a month:-D
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-- modified at 15:27 Tuesday 6th February, 2007 14 degrees F, 4 - 6 inches of snow
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming).
Nonsense.
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I used to be really against smoking and thought smokers were stupid and needed to be punished. Now as a smoker my self I now understand why they smoke and no longer discriminate against smokers.
I too, until recently, was a smoker. I don't discriminate. I also think the high prices are 100% justified: just because I was a smoker doesn't mean I have to think they should be cheap.
Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Tell me this. Is the consequences of extremely high gasoline prices worth the damage it will do to the economy and people's lives in general? Is it really worth dampening the economy to prevent a few more degrees temperature rise over the next 100-200 years? Think of the long term consequences of both the economy and the global climate and compare the time it takes to damage both of them. I choose economy, without that nothing happens, we would just be hunters, gatherers, and traders of clothing and food. The world runs on fuel, it is what keeps the society going, taxing it is not the answer. Taxes to not solve the worlds problems.
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Tell me this. Is the consequences of extremely high gasoline prices worth the damage it will do to the economy and people's lives in general? Is it really worth dampening the economy to prevent a few more degrees temperature rise over the next 100-200 years? Think of the long term consequences of both the economy and the global climate and compare the time it takes to damage both of them. I choose economy, without that nothing happens, we would just be hunters, gatherers, and traders of clothing and food. The world runs on fuel, it is what keeps the society going, taxing it is not the answer. Taxes to not solve the worlds problems.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Is it really worth dampening the economy to prevent a few more degrees temperature rise over the next 100-200 years?
Is that a trick question? Are you serious? You do realise that without an environment an economy isn't of much use? You also realise that when the environment is damaged is has a negative effect on the economy? This is one of the stupidest things you've said to date, and you're no stranger to stupidity.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I choose economy, without that nothing happens, we would just be hunters, gatherers, and traders of clothing and food.
For the love of god. Please slap yourself around the head. Without an environment we wouldn't even be hunters!
Steve
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Is it really worth dampening the economy to prevent a few more degrees temperature rise over the next 100-200 years?
Is that a trick question? Are you serious? You do realise that without an environment an economy isn't of much use? You also realise that when the environment is damaged is has a negative effect on the economy? This is one of the stupidest things you've said to date, and you're no stranger to stupidity.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I choose economy, without that nothing happens, we would just be hunters, gatherers, and traders of clothing and food.
For the love of god. Please slap yourself around the head. Without an environment we wouldn't even be hunters!
Steve
The world inst going to hell because of some temperature change but the economy will with all the hype and bogus claims. If you feel so strongly about it then stop driving and buying goods that were transported using fossil fuels. You should also donate most if not all your money to global warming organizations. Why not sacrifice your life to help the environment? It would be selfish if you didnt.
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The world inst going to hell because of some temperature change but the economy will with all the hype and bogus claims. If you feel so strongly about it then stop driving and buying goods that were transported using fossil fuels. You should also donate most if not all your money to global warming organizations. Why not sacrifice your life to help the environment? It would be selfish if you didnt.
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I warn you Henize, your ignorance is showing. I’ll attempt to explain some of your naive mistakes:
Captain See Sharp wrote:
The world inst going to hell because of some temperature change but the economy will with all the hype and bogus claims
Firstly, I note that now climate change is "bogus" again. You change more times than a showgirl. You say, “The world inst [sic] going to hell because of some temperature change”. Wrong! Tell that to the people whose land is being swallowed by the rising sea levels. Tell that to the farmers whose crops are failing because of lack of water. I could go on but instead I'll simply say this; get a clue!
Captain See Sharp wrote:
If you feel so strongly about it then stop driving and buying goods that were transported using fossil fuels.
This is a typical cheap shot. God only knows how many times I’ve heard this limp wristed argument. The solution to these problems isn’t one person giving up everything. That would never work and you should be able to see that. The correct path is everyone doing their part and if necessary making minor sacrifices.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Why not sacrifice your life to help the environment? It would be selfish if you didnt.
If the environment fails I'll have nothing to sacrifice, will I Einstein? Neither will anyone else.
Steve
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I warn you Henize, your ignorance is showing. I’ll attempt to explain some of your naive mistakes:
Captain See Sharp wrote:
The world inst going to hell because of some temperature change but the economy will with all the hype and bogus claims
Firstly, I note that now climate change is "bogus" again. You change more times than a showgirl. You say, “The world inst [sic] going to hell because of some temperature change”. Wrong! Tell that to the people whose land is being swallowed by the rising sea levels. Tell that to the farmers whose crops are failing because of lack of water. I could go on but instead I'll simply say this; get a clue!
Captain See Sharp wrote:
If you feel so strongly about it then stop driving and buying goods that were transported using fossil fuels.
This is a typical cheap shot. God only knows how many times I’ve heard this limp wristed argument. The solution to these problems isn’t one person giving up everything. That would never work and you should be able to see that. The correct path is everyone doing their part and if necessary making minor sacrifices.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Why not sacrifice your life to help the environment? It would be selfish if you didnt.
If the environment fails I'll have nothing to sacrifice, will I Einstein? Neither will anyone else.
Steve
I'm not convinced that we should pay heavy taxes on fuel. That is my problem and thats why I am against the whole thing. Don't bother replying if you are going to tell me we should pay heavy taxes on fuel because it would be hopeless for you to do so.
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I'm not convinced that we should pay heavy taxes on fuel. That is my problem and thats why I am against the whole thing. Don't bother replying if you are going to tell me we should pay heavy taxes on fuel because it would be hopeless for you to do so.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I'm not convinced that we should pay heavy taxes on fuel. That is my problem and thats why I am against the whole thing. Don't bother replying if you are going to tell me we should pay heavy taxes on fuel because it would be hopeless for you to do so.
Petrol is going the get more and more expensive and you're just going to have to accept it. There are a number of reasons for this. One is the simple fact that we’re pumping oil out of the ground quicker then it’s being replenished. Supergiant oilfield discovery is at an all time low. Another factor is the rapid industrialisation of China competing for what’s left. Blaming simply the environment for the high price of fuel is wrong headed.
Steve
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I'm not convinced that we should pay heavy taxes on fuel. That is my problem and thats why I am against the whole thing. Don't bother replying if you are going to tell me we should pay heavy taxes on fuel because it would be hopeless for you to do so.
Petrol is going the get more and more expensive and you're just going to have to accept it. There are a number of reasons for this. One is the simple fact that we’re pumping oil out of the ground quicker then it’s being replenished. Supergiant oilfield discovery is at an all time low. Another factor is the rapid industrialisation of China competing for what’s left. Blaming simply the environment for the high price of fuel is wrong headed.
Steve
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I'm not talking about supply and demand, I'm talking about taxes.:rolleyes:
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I'm not talking about supply and demand, I'm talking about taxes.
Well then I suggest you lobby your government to invest more in alternative fuel research. As the world becomes more environmentally responsible (yourself excluded) the taxes on petrol will (and should) increase. Deal with it.
Steve
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I'm not talking about supply and demand, I'm talking about taxes.
Well then I suggest you lobby your government to invest more in alternative fuel research. As the world becomes more environmentally responsible (yourself excluded) the taxes on petrol will (and should) increase. Deal with it.
Steve
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A well articulated reply :rolleyes:
Steve