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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I don't completely deny global warming
Sounds like a bit of a back flip...Before it was just a money grabbing "polar bear" saving scam!
Captain See Sharp wrote:
but I think it is overly hyped
I think it's dangerously under-hyped myself.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
that makes you feel less angry when you end up paying extremely high prices at the pump.
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming). It’s like taxes on tobacco: one of the reasons there is so much tax on them is to offset the cost placed on the healthcare system by smokers.
Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming).
Nonsense.
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
It’s like taxes on tobacco: one of the reasons there is so much tax on them is to offset the cost placed on the healthcare system by smokers.
I used to be really against smoking and thought smokers were stupid and needed to be punished. Now as a smoker my self I now understand why they smoke and no longer discriminate against smokers. I'm not a heavy smoker, it only cost me about 2 dollars a day to keep up my habit. The taxes on tobacco(especially in the states) is unwarranted. Americans pay health insurance instead of government taxes to help pay for their medical bills. In my state the tobacco tax supposedly goes to education. People know that smokers are addicted and will pay a high price for their cigs. The problem is that if they keep it up there will be a thriving black market for tobacco just like all the other drugs. Society would end up loosing money because the cost of the police actions to stop the black market would outweigh the income made by the tax.
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming).
Nonsense.
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
It’s like taxes on tobacco: one of the reasons there is so much tax on them is to offset the cost placed on the healthcare system by smokers.
I used to be really against smoking and thought smokers were stupid and needed to be punished. Now as a smoker my self I now understand why they smoke and no longer discriminate against smokers. I'm not a heavy smoker, it only cost me about 2 dollars a day to keep up my habit. The taxes on tobacco(especially in the states) is unwarranted. Americans pay health insurance instead of government taxes to help pay for their medical bills. In my state the tobacco tax supposedly goes to education. People know that smokers are addicted and will pay a high price for their cigs. The problem is that if they keep it up there will be a thriving black market for tobacco just like all the other drugs. Society would end up loosing money because the cost of the police actions to stop the black market would outweigh the income made by the tax.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming).
Nonsense.
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I used to be really against smoking and thought smokers were stupid and needed to be punished. Now as a smoker my self I now understand why they smoke and no longer discriminate against smokers.
I too, until recently, was a smoker. I don't discriminate. I also think the high prices are 100% justified: just because I was a smoker doesn't mean I have to think they should be cheap.
Steve
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Can convicted felons vote? Why aren't they allowed to vote now?
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I wish we could :(
Apparently it's not OK to start a bonfire of Microsoft products in the aisles of CompUSA even though the Linuxrulz web site says so
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Josh Gray wrote:
I'd be interested to know how you formed this opinion. Fox news perhaps?
No, common sense. I will not be a victim of political manipulation. Whether or not the earth's temperature rose by a few degrees or not. Its not an inferno, not until the nukes go off.
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Do you understand the implications of 'a few degrees'? Your body temperature is around 98 degrees, bump it up a few degrees and see what you think
Apparently it's not OK to start a bonfire of Microsoft products in the aisles of CompUSA even though the Linuxrulz web site says so
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming).
Nonsense.
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I used to be really against smoking and thought smokers were stupid and needed to be punished. Now as a smoker my self I now understand why they smoke and no longer discriminate against smokers.
I too, until recently, was a smoker. I don't discriminate. I also think the high prices are 100% justified: just because I was a smoker doesn't mean I have to think they should be cheap.
Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
I also think the high prices are 100% justified: just because I was a smoker doesn't mean I have to think they should be cheap.
Four dollars a pack is my limit, if I am unable to find reasonable quality cigs then I will resort to pipe tobacco. I am not ready to quit, the effects of withdraw would be damaging to my attitude and motivation. I have ordered a half-pound of powered kava root from Hawaii recently and it should be here within the next couple days. Perhaps it may help ease withdraw symptoms and it would be a great aid when I do want to quit. I cant wait to try that kava, I've read it tastes like dirt but thats no big deal because its not something you sip on and the reward may be greater than the punishment on my taste buds.
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I wish we could :(
Apparently it's not OK to start a bonfire of Microsoft products in the aisles of CompUSA even though the Linuxrulz web site says so
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David Wulff wrote:
Global warming
is no longer, "in" - remember, now we're to be frightened of, "climate change".
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Do'h, I forgot that one! Because 'change' is far scarier than mere 'warming'. :rolleyes:
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Look at Venus, a similar planet to ours with surface temperatures of 200 deg C
Does being 41 million km closer to the sun help that any? :)
From what i understand that doesn't completely explain the vast temperature difference. Venus has an atmosphere made up of greenhouse gasses.
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Look at Venus, a similar planet to ours with surface temperatures of 200 deg C
Does being 41 million km closer to the sun help that any? :)
From what I understand the mai n explaination for the temperature difference is it's atmosphere composed of greenhouse gasses.
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To repeat an argument from "the other side": You do know the difference between "climate" and "weather", don't you?
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Global warming is just a bunch of overly hyped BS. Its just a way to get you to hand over your wallet in the name of the polar bears and the future children of the world who wont be able to chase butterflies in tall grassy fields if we don't pay up. I won't fall for it and I don't care what people tell me. I won't believe it until I experience warm(60F) rainy days in February for more than one year. Right now its much colder than the average temperature and it snowing like crazy like a normal winter day.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I won't believe it until I experience warm(60F) rainy days in February for more than one year
On my planet, February only lasts for a month:-D
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-- modified at 15:27 Tuesday 6th February, 2007 14 degrees F, 4 - 6 inches of snow
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming).
Nonsense.
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I used to be really against smoking and thought smokers were stupid and needed to be punished. Now as a smoker my self I now understand why they smoke and no longer discriminate against smokers.
I too, until recently, was a smoker. I don't discriminate. I also think the high prices are 100% justified: just because I was a smoker doesn't mean I have to think they should be cheap.
Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Tell me this. Is the consequences of extremely high gasoline prices worth the damage it will do to the economy and people's lives in general? Is it really worth dampening the economy to prevent a few more degrees temperature rise over the next 100-200 years? Think of the long term consequences of both the economy and the global climate and compare the time it takes to damage both of them. I choose economy, without that nothing happens, we would just be hunters, gatherers, and traders of clothing and food. The world runs on fuel, it is what keeps the society going, taxing it is not the answer. Taxes to not solve the worlds problems.
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Tell me this. Is the consequences of extremely high gasoline prices worth the damage it will do to the economy and people's lives in general? Is it really worth dampening the economy to prevent a few more degrees temperature rise over the next 100-200 years? Think of the long term consequences of both the economy and the global climate and compare the time it takes to damage both of them. I choose economy, without that nothing happens, we would just be hunters, gatherers, and traders of clothing and food. The world runs on fuel, it is what keeps the society going, taxing it is not the answer. Taxes to not solve the worlds problems.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Is it really worth dampening the economy to prevent a few more degrees temperature rise over the next 100-200 years?
Is that a trick question? Are you serious? You do realise that without an environment an economy isn't of much use? You also realise that when the environment is damaged is has a negative effect on the economy? This is one of the stupidest things you've said to date, and you're no stranger to stupidity.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I choose economy, without that nothing happens, we would just be hunters, gatherers, and traders of clothing and food.
For the love of god. Please slap yourself around the head. Without an environment we wouldn't even be hunters!
Steve
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Is it really worth dampening the economy to prevent a few more degrees temperature rise over the next 100-200 years?
Is that a trick question? Are you serious? You do realise that without an environment an economy isn't of much use? You also realise that when the environment is damaged is has a negative effect on the economy? This is one of the stupidest things you've said to date, and you're no stranger to stupidity.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I choose economy, without that nothing happens, we would just be hunters, gatherers, and traders of clothing and food.
For the love of god. Please slap yourself around the head. Without an environment we wouldn't even be hunters!
Steve
The world inst going to hell because of some temperature change but the economy will with all the hype and bogus claims. If you feel so strongly about it then stop driving and buying goods that were transported using fossil fuels. You should also donate most if not all your money to global warming organizations. Why not sacrifice your life to help the environment? It would be selfish if you didnt.
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The world inst going to hell because of some temperature change but the economy will with all the hype and bogus claims. If you feel so strongly about it then stop driving and buying goods that were transported using fossil fuels. You should also donate most if not all your money to global warming organizations. Why not sacrifice your life to help the environment? It would be selfish if you didnt.
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I warn you Henize, your ignorance is showing. I’ll attempt to explain some of your naive mistakes:
Captain See Sharp wrote:
The world inst going to hell because of some temperature change but the economy will with all the hype and bogus claims
Firstly, I note that now climate change is "bogus" again. You change more times than a showgirl. You say, “The world inst [sic] going to hell because of some temperature change”. Wrong! Tell that to the people whose land is being swallowed by the rising sea levels. Tell that to the farmers whose crops are failing because of lack of water. I could go on but instead I'll simply say this; get a clue!
Captain See Sharp wrote:
If you feel so strongly about it then stop driving and buying goods that were transported using fossil fuels.
This is a typical cheap shot. God only knows how many times I’ve heard this limp wristed argument. The solution to these problems isn’t one person giving up everything. That would never work and you should be able to see that. The correct path is everyone doing their part and if necessary making minor sacrifices.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Why not sacrifice your life to help the environment? It would be selfish if you didnt.
If the environment fails I'll have nothing to sacrifice, will I Einstein? Neither will anyone else.
Steve
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I warn you Henize, your ignorance is showing. I’ll attempt to explain some of your naive mistakes:
Captain See Sharp wrote:
The world inst going to hell because of some temperature change but the economy will with all the hype and bogus claims
Firstly, I note that now climate change is "bogus" again. You change more times than a showgirl. You say, “The world inst [sic] going to hell because of some temperature change”. Wrong! Tell that to the people whose land is being swallowed by the rising sea levels. Tell that to the farmers whose crops are failing because of lack of water. I could go on but instead I'll simply say this; get a clue!
Captain See Sharp wrote:
If you feel so strongly about it then stop driving and buying goods that were transported using fossil fuels.
This is a typical cheap shot. God only knows how many times I’ve heard this limp wristed argument. The solution to these problems isn’t one person giving up everything. That would never work and you should be able to see that. The correct path is everyone doing their part and if necessary making minor sacrifices.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
Why not sacrifice your life to help the environment? It would be selfish if you didnt.
If the environment fails I'll have nothing to sacrifice, will I Einstein? Neither will anyone else.
Steve
I'm not convinced that we should pay heavy taxes on fuel. That is my problem and thats why I am against the whole thing. Don't bother replying if you are going to tell me we should pay heavy taxes on fuel because it would be hopeless for you to do so.
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I'm not convinced that we should pay heavy taxes on fuel. That is my problem and thats why I am against the whole thing. Don't bother replying if you are going to tell me we should pay heavy taxes on fuel because it would be hopeless for you to do so.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I'm not convinced that we should pay heavy taxes on fuel. That is my problem and thats why I am against the whole thing. Don't bother replying if you are going to tell me we should pay heavy taxes on fuel because it would be hopeless for you to do so.
Petrol is going the get more and more expensive and you're just going to have to accept it. There are a number of reasons for this. One is the simple fact that we’re pumping oil out of the ground quicker then it’s being replenished. Supergiant oilfield discovery is at an all time low. Another factor is the rapid industrialisation of China competing for what’s left. Blaming simply the environment for the high price of fuel is wrong headed.
Steve
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I'm not convinced that we should pay heavy taxes on fuel. That is my problem and thats why I am against the whole thing. Don't bother replying if you are going to tell me we should pay heavy taxes on fuel because it would be hopeless for you to do so.
Petrol is going the get more and more expensive and you're just going to have to accept it. There are a number of reasons for this. One is the simple fact that we’re pumping oil out of the ground quicker then it’s being replenished. Supergiant oilfield discovery is at an all time low. Another factor is the rapid industrialisation of China competing for what’s left. Blaming simply the environment for the high price of fuel is wrong headed.
Steve
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I'm not talking about supply and demand, I'm talking about taxes.:rolleyes:
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I'm not talking about supply and demand, I'm talking about taxes.
Well then I suggest you lobby your government to invest more in alternative fuel research. As the world becomes more environmentally responsible (yourself excluded) the taxes on petrol will (and should) increase. Deal with it.
Steve