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Christian Graus wrote:
I never got to chase any tall grassy fields.
I meant to say IN tall grassy fields. Its just what I imagine when people say "its for the children" or bring children into a political subject. Oh its for the children. Oh ok I will do anything for the children, I don't want to be viewed as a scumbag for not helping the children. Ok we will need your wallet and freedoms and whatever else you have. Oh yes, whatever you say as long as its for the children and polar bears.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I don't want to be viewed as a scumbag for not helping the children
You won't be. Just your usual ignorant self spouting off about that which you don't understand.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance idiots like CSS.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
No, common sense. I will not be a victim of political manipulation. Whether or not the earth's temperature rose by a few degrees or not. Its not an inferno, not until the nukes go off.
Common sense…. Surely common sense dictates that an expert on some subject knows more about it than a layman and as such his opinion should be valued over that of the layman; even if the layman happens to be you! If 1000's of experts concur then the argument – common sense would dictate – is all the stronger. The earth is a big system and as such has lots of “momentum”. By the time the problem is evident to stubborn small minded people such as yourself it’s too late to fix it on any reasonable time scale.
Steve
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Its called GLOBAL warming, not regional warming.
hmm I saw a show the other night where the scientists obtained global warming evidence from ice cores. Aren't those cores regional?
Mark Salsbery wrote:
where the scientists obtained global warming evidence from ice cores. Aren't those cores regional?
The evidence in the ice cores is contained in air bubbles. It gives a snapshot of the atmospheric composition at points in the past. The ice is local but atmospheric composition is global.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance idiots like CSS.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Its been unusually cool here as well this summer but to imply that weather in any single specific location is representative of the overall climate is foolish I think.
Why? Its called GLOBAL warming, not regional warming.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Why? Its called GLOBAL warming, not regional warming.
“Global warming” is a simple name given to a complex phenomenon. You can’t expect a catchy two word name to capture all the complexities of global warming any more than you should think that the name Henize captures all aspects of your personality. Here’s something I think you should be able to grasp however: “global warning” referrs to the average global temperature. The average can increase even though some of the individual elements that comprise the average decrease.
Steve
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Josh Gray wrote:
And thats exactly why saying "well...its not warm where I am right now" is stupid.
The whole global warming this is stupid, its a scam. What are people going to think of global warming when we enter an ice age?
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
The whole global warming this is stupid, its a scam. What are people going to think of global warming when we enter an ice age?
The two (global warming and another ice age) need not be incompatible. Many scientists believe that the global climate is a metastable system and as such global warming triggering an ice age ice not a contradiction or even necessarily particularly surprising. Do some reading and stop thinking so simplistically based on nothing but (underdeveloped) intuition.
Steve
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Why? Its called GLOBAL warming, not regional warming.
“Global warming” is a simple name given to a complex phenomenon. You can’t expect a catchy two word name to capture all the complexities of global warming any more than you should think that the name Henize captures all aspects of your personality. Here’s something I think you should be able to grasp however: “global warning” referrs to the average global temperature. The average can increase even though some of the individual elements that comprise the average decrease.
Steve
I don't completely deny global warming but I think it is overly hyped in a way that makes you feel less angry when you end up paying extremely high prices at the pump. Hillery Clinton may become president and she clearly said that she wants to take the profits of the oil companies. Unless she plans on nationalizing America's oil companies she will end up heavily taxing them. The oil companies will not reduce the price for oil so the tax will rest on the shoulders of the consumers. The consumers will probably not gripe too much since the money is going to be used to help reduce global warming. I think it is a load of crap. The government is extremely inefficient and wasteful and it is likely that most of the money will not go to research as such. They are wetting the palate for tax consumption.
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I don't completely deny global warming but I think it is overly hyped in a way that makes you feel less angry when you end up paying extremely high prices at the pump. Hillery Clinton may become president and she clearly said that she wants to take the profits of the oil companies. Unless she plans on nationalizing America's oil companies she will end up heavily taxing them. The oil companies will not reduce the price for oil so the tax will rest on the shoulders of the consumers. The consumers will probably not gripe too much since the money is going to be used to help reduce global warming. I think it is a load of crap. The government is extremely inefficient and wasteful and it is likely that most of the money will not go to research as such. They are wetting the palate for tax consumption.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I don't completely deny global warming
Sounds like a bit of a back flip...Before it was just a money grabbing "polar bear" saving scam!
Captain See Sharp wrote:
but I think it is overly hyped
I think it's dangerously under-hyped myself.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
that makes you feel less angry when you end up paying extremely high prices at the pump.
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming). It’s like taxes on tobacco: one of the reasons there is so much tax on them is to offset the cost placed on the healthcare system by smokers.
Steve
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I don't completely deny global warming
Sounds like a bit of a back flip...Before it was just a money grabbing "polar bear" saving scam!
Captain See Sharp wrote:
but I think it is overly hyped
I think it's dangerously under-hyped myself.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
that makes you feel less angry when you end up paying extremely high prices at the pump.
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming). It’s like taxes on tobacco: one of the reasons there is so much tax on them is to offset the cost placed on the healthcare system by smokers.
Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming).
Nonsense.
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
It’s like taxes on tobacco: one of the reasons there is so much tax on them is to offset the cost placed on the healthcare system by smokers.
I used to be really against smoking and thought smokers were stupid and needed to be punished. Now as a smoker my self I now understand why they smoke and no longer discriminate against smokers. I'm not a heavy smoker, it only cost me about 2 dollars a day to keep up my habit. The taxes on tobacco(especially in the states) is unwarranted. Americans pay health insurance instead of government taxes to help pay for their medical bills. In my state the tobacco tax supposedly goes to education. People know that smokers are addicted and will pay a high price for their cigs. The problem is that if they keep it up there will be a thriving black market for tobacco just like all the other drugs. Society would end up loosing money because the cost of the police actions to stop the black market would outweigh the income made by the tax.
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming).
Nonsense.
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
It’s like taxes on tobacco: one of the reasons there is so much tax on them is to offset the cost placed on the healthcare system by smokers.
I used to be really against smoking and thought smokers were stupid and needed to be punished. Now as a smoker my self I now understand why they smoke and no longer discriminate against smokers. I'm not a heavy smoker, it only cost me about 2 dollars a day to keep up my habit. The taxes on tobacco(especially in the states) is unwarranted. Americans pay health insurance instead of government taxes to help pay for their medical bills. In my state the tobacco tax supposedly goes to education. People know that smokers are addicted and will pay a high price for their cigs. The problem is that if they keep it up there will be a thriving black market for tobacco just like all the other drugs. Society would end up loosing money because the cost of the police actions to stop the black market would outweigh the income made by the tax.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming).
Nonsense.
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I used to be really against smoking and thought smokers were stupid and needed to be punished. Now as a smoker my self I now understand why they smoke and no longer discriminate against smokers.
I too, until recently, was a smoker. I don't discriminate. I also think the high prices are 100% justified: just because I was a smoker doesn't mean I have to think they should be cheap.
Steve
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Can convicted felons vote? Why aren't they allowed to vote now?
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I wish we could :(
Apparently it's not OK to start a bonfire of Microsoft products in the aisles of CompUSA even though the Linuxrulz web site says so
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Josh Gray wrote:
I'd be interested to know how you formed this opinion. Fox news perhaps?
No, common sense. I will not be a victim of political manipulation. Whether or not the earth's temperature rose by a few degrees or not. Its not an inferno, not until the nukes go off.
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Do you understand the implications of 'a few degrees'? Your body temperature is around 98 degrees, bump it up a few degrees and see what you think
Apparently it's not OK to start a bonfire of Microsoft products in the aisles of CompUSA even though the Linuxrulz web site says so
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming).
Nonsense.
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I used to be really against smoking and thought smokers were stupid and needed to be punished. Now as a smoker my self I now understand why they smoke and no longer discriminate against smokers.
I too, until recently, was a smoker. I don't discriminate. I also think the high prices are 100% justified: just because I was a smoker doesn't mean I have to think they should be cheap.
Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
I also think the high prices are 100% justified: just because I was a smoker doesn't mean I have to think they should be cheap.
Four dollars a pack is my limit, if I am unable to find reasonable quality cigs then I will resort to pipe tobacco. I am not ready to quit, the effects of withdraw would be damaging to my attitude and motivation. I have ordered a half-pound of powered kava root from Hawaii recently and it should be here within the next couple days. Perhaps it may help ease withdraw symptoms and it would be a great aid when I do want to quit. I cant wait to try that kava, I've read it tastes like dirt but thats no big deal because its not something you sip on and the reward may be greater than the punishment on my taste buds.
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I wish we could :(
Apparently it's not OK to start a bonfire of Microsoft products in the aisles of CompUSA even though the Linuxrulz web site says so
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David Wulff wrote:
Global warming
is no longer, "in" - remember, now we're to be frightened of, "climate change".
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Do'h, I forgot that one! Because 'change' is far scarier than mere 'warming'. :rolleyes:
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Look at Venus, a similar planet to ours with surface temperatures of 200 deg C
Does being 41 million km closer to the sun help that any? :)
From what i understand that doesn't completely explain the vast temperature difference. Venus has an atmosphere made up of greenhouse gasses.
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Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Look at Venus, a similar planet to ours with surface temperatures of 200 deg C
Does being 41 million km closer to the sun help that any? :)
From what I understand the mai n explaination for the temperature difference is it's atmosphere composed of greenhouse gasses.
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Global warming is just a bunch of overly hyped BS. Its just a way to get you to hand over your wallet in the name of the polar bears and the future children of the world who wont be able to chase butterflies in tall grassy fields if we don't pay up. I won't fall for it and I don't care what people tell me. I won't believe it until I experience warm(60F) rainy days in February for more than one year. Right now its much colder than the average temperature and it snowing like crazy like a normal winter day.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I won't believe it until I experience warm(60F) rainy days in February for more than one year
On my planet, February only lasts for a month:-D
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-- modified at 15:27 Tuesday 6th February, 2007 14 degrees F, 4 - 6 inches of snow
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
If petrol is a major cause of global warming then it seems that we've been paying too little for it and should consider the rise justified (assuming the rise is because of global warming).
Nonsense.
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Captain See Sharp wrote:
I used to be really against smoking and thought smokers were stupid and needed to be punished. Now as a smoker my self I now understand why they smoke and no longer discriminate against smokers.
I too, until recently, was a smoker. I don't discriminate. I also think the high prices are 100% justified: just because I was a smoker doesn't mean I have to think they should be cheap.
Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
Nonsense. You're suggesting that a product which destroys the environment should be cheap and it's toll on the environment shouldn't be factored into the price! Remember I said, "if petrol is a major cause of global warming", so we're not arguing that point but rather assuming it to be the case for the sake of this discussion. Your stance is stupid and irresponsible.
Tell me this. Is the consequences of extremely high gasoline prices worth the damage it will do to the economy and people's lives in general? Is it really worth dampening the economy to prevent a few more degrees temperature rise over the next 100-200 years? Think of the long term consequences of both the economy and the global climate and compare the time it takes to damage both of them. I choose economy, without that nothing happens, we would just be hunters, gatherers, and traders of clothing and food. The world runs on fuel, it is what keeps the society going, taxing it is not the answer. Taxes to not solve the worlds problems.
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